If one truly believes police are afraid anyone they pull over might be armed

[John Smith]

Does that mean one believes we need to get guns off the street?

If police can't do their job for fear of too many people able/likely to shoot them, what's the plan?

[SKIP KILPATRICK]

What's the plan?

More GOOD toddlers with guns!

[Steve McMahon]

Good luck, there is no plan.

[CWSmith]

A lot of police forces and unions want stronger gun laws while the pro-gun politicians claim to be pro-police.

[Landrith]

Simply watch and compare the difference between Blue States and Red States and how their civil servants treat their citizens. I have. We have the Deep South and we are still more respectful to our fellow citizens. I think part of Socialism is that the individual's worth disappears as his individual rights are diminished. I have no other way to explain Minnesota. By all the criteria, investment, funding, education, training, courts...the state shouldn't be having these problems.

[Canoeyawl]

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[Paul Pless]

if we cant rely on the police to do their jobs
then might i suggest it's time to arm and protect yourself
but then it's ever been thus sheeple

[elf]

Of course, if only criminals have guns then everyone gets to make spot assessments of whether someone's a criminal or not. Having or not having a gun isn't going to stop cops from assuming that every black person is likely to have a gun.

[john welsford]

Simply watch and compare the difference between Blue States and Red States and how their civil servants treat their citizens. I have. We have the Deep South and we are still more respectful to our fellow citizens. I think part of Socialism is that the individual's worth disappears as his individual rights are diminished. I have no other way to explain Minnesota. By all the criteria, investment, funding, education, training, courts...the state shouldn't be having these problems.

You may be right in your statistic there, but to state that socialism is to blame is way off the mark. I live in a country that by conservative American standards is about half a slippery step from communism, and the police and government here go to quite extraordinary lengths to ensure that the rights of the individual are preserved.
I'd say that the Scandinavian, along with most of Western Europe is much the same.

John Welsford

[Landrith]

I am in Kansas today but look at Arkansas, yea Arkansas. With both the historic burdens of the Deep South and a border state. The most gruesome race and anti-labor lynching past, still among the least public investment in public education and law enforcement training, greatest income disparity, etc. and despite it recently among the least police misconduct...this is why Minnesota is problematic for me.

[elf]

Does that mean one believes we need to get guns off the street?

If police can't do their job for fear of too many people able/likely to shoot them, what's the plan?

Get rid of the black people.

[Paul Pless]

I am in Kansas today but look at Arkansas, yea Arkansas. With both the historic burdens of the Deep South and a border state. The most gruesome race and anti-labor lynching past and despite still among the least public investment in public education and law enforcement training, greatest income disparity, etc. and recently among the least police misconduct...this is why Minnesota is problematic for me.

arkansas, meh

an anomaly, whitest state of the former confederacy, least densely populated state of the former confederacy

[Landrith]

arkansas, meh

an anomaly, whitest state of the former confederacy, least densely populated state of the former confederacy

My grandparents had a weekend home in NW Arkansas so on its face the area is even more an anomaly the way you are looking at it, but the town with the nearby stores was Siloam Springs...I remember as a child having the sundown laws explained to me (and still not understanding or about lynchings). It would have been about 1968 and they were not referring to the turn of the prior century. I somehow remember it was in the context of something that week.

Now Kansas gets to the top honestly. Big big per capita spending on law enforcement training and public education in general. SO big that they probably are far more Socialist than Minnesota ever even wanted to be if you consider the property tax impact...

[Durnik]

If one truly believes police are afraid anyone they pull over might be armed,

then they are a fool. Cops are shooting fleeing blacks in the back, fer cripes sake.

[Keith Wilson]

Originally Posted by Landrith
Simply watch and compare the difference between Blue States and Red States and how their civil servants treat their citizens. I have. We have the Deep South and we are still more respectful to our fellow citizens. I think part of Socialism is that the individual's worth disappears as his individual rights are diminished. I have no other way to explain Minnesota. By all the criteria, investment, funding, education, training, courts...the state shouldn't be having these problems.

Despite a couple of recent very nasty high-profile cases, Minnesota is 38th out of 50 in the number of people killed by police (per capita, 2013 through present). Data here.

[Hugh Conway]

Funny how violent those “respectful” Deep South cops are