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    I love your previous thread. It was a definite morning treat each day.
    I like solid builds like yours asci could see myself building them.
    I fancy a escargot style build as my next boat.
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    Spent very much time changing length and beveling floors (athwartship framing) in 2 directions which will determine the curve of chine and sheer as viewed in plan. I am finally satisfied with the shape and fairness as the chine log lays against them. Temporary frames are securely braced to the building jig.

    We planed the juniper for the chine logs and sheer clamps and join them end to end with short gussets. These will be 2 layers and staggered at the joints so these gussets are just for setting up the first layer in one piece. The first chine log has been fastened.















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    Boy that is a lot of lumber compared to the boat I built. Have made up your mind what you are going to use it for after you are done ? This is a interesting thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete E View Post
    Boy that is a lot of lumber compared to the boat I built. Have made up your mind what you are going to use it for after you are done ? This is a interesting thread.
    Wanted to make sure you realize that about one half of this is the building jig and not a part of the boat.
    I am definitely going to build a houseboat. I am having a difficult time explaining to people that the sole will be recessed down in the hull and that will require a strong frame. Also with a 12' beam it is different than the plans I see for many houseboats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltwood View Post
    Wanted to make sure you realize that about one half of this is the building jig and not a part of the boat.
    I am definitely going to build a houseboat. I am having a difficult time explaining to people that the sole will be recessed down in the hull and that will require a strong frame. Also with a 12' beam it is different than the plans I see for many houseboats.
    Yes indeed Walt , 12 ft beam is a significant difference.

    As far as explaining that sole , you know what you are doing , so .....carry on !

    Good to see you posting .

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    My computer is out of service so I can't post. Phone and other devices too hard to use. Plan to post when it is fixed.

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    Don't worry, this is worth waiting for.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Walt, Glad to see you taking the time to take pictures and post them here. I just recently finished building a 29" gaff cutter, and would have loved to documented it here as I progressed. But with a full time job and working 30 hours a week on the boat there was simply no time. My hat is off to you. I know what an effort it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richbeck View Post
    Walt, Glad to see you taking the time to take pictures and post them here. I just recently finished building a 29" gaff cutter, and would have loved to documented it here as I progressed. But with a full time job and working 30 hours a week on the boat there was simply no time. My hat is off to you. I know what an effort it is.

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    Thanks for that. It is even harder for me because I have the computer skills of a 3 year old and I don't seem to get better with it.

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    I have been stumped on how to frame the outer sections of the bow. I tried different materials and only thin ply would take a bend in two directions- a bend and a twist. I decided on 1/4" marine fir laminated in many layers. I will epoxy the layers together and coat the edges.

    I made a template out of used paneling which you will see more of later when I build a mock-up of the house. Using a trimmer with a guide bushing I can make repetitive pieces that will make up this bow section. I love routers!





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    I like your projects and your craftsmanship Walt, and of course I'm enjoying this one.

    Hope you're planning to stagger the plywood lam joints over the stem(s) to bottom joint, for the strength of it.

    I don't see anywhere that looks like you'll have to torture the ply into a concave or convex shape, don't know what you mean. Looks like you're producing all of the stems from the same pattern, and the bottom looks perfectly flat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gib Etheridge View Post
    I like your projects and your craftsmanship Walt, and of course I'm enjoying this one.

    Hope you're planning to stagger the plywood lam joints over the stem(s) to bottom joint, for the strength of it.

    I don't see anywhere that looks like you'll have to torture the ply into a concave or convex shape, don't know what you mean. Looks like you're producing all of the stems from the same pattern, and the bottom looks perfectly flat.
    The ply does bend in at the top and in the other direction in toward center. I think future pictures will clarify this. I do plan on staggering the joint where it meets the straighter part of the chine.

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    Completed more bow framing. These 2 x 4's are attached to the curved part of the bow framing with 3 1/2" screws. They were a challenge in that the ends were all beveled and angled differrent and had to be the same on each side. The first layer of the ply chines has been epoxied at each end.


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    ^ looking good.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    What bwd said. Worth continuing. Please.

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    I am bonding 7 layers of 1/4" marine fir ply together to form the curved forward part of the chine. I started off only doing one layer at a time and have moved to two. The last three layers overlap the sheer clamp.





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    Quote Originally Posted by waltwood View Post
    I am bonding 7 layers of 1/4" marine fir ply together to form the curved forward part of the chine. I started off only doing one layer at a time and have moved to two. The last three layers overlap the sheer clamp.




    There are some nice curves in this photo.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Thanks. I hope so. I made a model and studied other scows but we really won't know until I get some plywood planking on.

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    What thickness, type ply will you use? Enjoying the build, thanks.

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    That is looking really nice. As Nick said, you have really worked a lot of nice subtle curves into your design. Nice work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by capehorn3 View Post
    What thickness, type ply will you use? Enjoying the build, thanks.
    I am using Fir marine ply and the curved part of the bow will be doubled 3/8", the rest of the bottom 3/4" and the sides 1/2".

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    Looking on with continued interest, Walt. A barge fascinates me.

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    Hey everyone. I finished gluing up the curved chines with 7 layers of ply. I think they are going to work out good. I have roughed them out with the power planer and will finish down with the belt sander. I want to be on my game when I do that because I don't want to cut them too low or at an angle that is not on the same plane as the 2 X 4's.




    I am going to get off topic and show you what I do professionally. This is the project I worked on today which is a complete gut and remodel of a small house I built in 2004. We are nearing completion of adding a bathroom addition, porch and loft to this small house. This is the loft, stairs and railing that we built. Shown is the entire house except for the bathroom that you can see the doorway to on the right side of the picture. It was not built to be lived in originally and now it will be a full time residence.



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    Cool small house!

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    It is situated on 300 acres and you can not see another house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltwood View Post
    It is situated on 300 acres and you can not see another house.



    Cute little place Walt !

    Nice work as always .

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    Nice clean solid unpretentious work Walt, a lot like you I bet.

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    It looks great, but last time I built stairs, the code required an awful lot of balusters or other closely spaced impediments to the passage of a building inspector's 4" ball. I had similar spacing on some basement stairs in an old house and my 3 yr old daughter launched herself right through. Nothing broken and no concussion, but it took a while to stop hurting. 20 years later and she remembers it well. I hate to bring it up, but if you have to pass an inspection, it is better to get it right now than later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MN Dave View Post
    It looks great, but last time I built stairs, the code required an awful lot of balusters or other closely spaced impediments to the passage of a building inspector's 4" ball. I had similar spacing on some basement stairs in an old house and my 3 yr old daughter launched herself right through. Nothing broken and no concussion, but it took a while to stop hurting. 20 years later and she remembers it well. I hate to bring it up, but if you have to pass an inspection, it is better to get it right now than later.
    That probably varies from place to place.
    These are compliant with industry H&S standards
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MN Dave View Post
    It looks great, but last time I built stairs, the code required an awful lot of balusters or other closely spaced impediments to the passage of a building inspector's 4" ball. I had similar spacing on some basement stairs in an old house and my 3 yr old daughter launched herself right through. Nothing broken and no concussion, but it took a while to stop hurting. 20 years later and she remembers it well. I hate to bring it up, but if you have to pass an inspection, it is better to get it right now than later.
    You are correct and these are not finished yet as you see that there is only a top rail in the loft. There will be a metal grid installed over this that I really don't like but the owner wants.
    Walt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    That probably varies from place to place.
    These are compliant with industry H&S standards
    Industrial and residential codes are different. Containing the rugrats is a problem in a residential setting that doesn't come up in industrial applications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltwood View Post
    There has been very poor interest in this thread based on the number of views. The first day I posted I got 100 views while "how to say Hair is off" and "Hey should I put my boat on top of my car" threads got 800 views. Not saying they were not interesting but I thought the actual building of a boat would have garnered more interest. It did not improve after other posts.

    This was a little different than some of the other projects featured on this forum giving it broader scope of projects. We also were getting very much done on the project instead of just talking about what we are going to do.
    Walt, this tread is what made me become a member. I built a 8' x 20' shanty boat 4 years ago I love where you are going with this houseboat Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skiff View Post
    Walt, this tread is what made me become a member. I built a 8' x 20' shanty boat 4 years ago I love where you are going with this houseboat Thanks
    I am in it now and will continue to post. Thanks for the encouragement.
    Got any pictures of the shanty boat to show us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltwood View Post
    I am in it now and will continue to post. Thanks for the encouragement.
    Got any pictures of the shanty boat to show us?
    I do here is one https://flic.kr/p/wcbJ4p once I figure out to post I will do it right I do not want to hi jack your thread and mine shanty close to a true shanty and not in a goodway (used lumber, pallets, a propane tank for a wood stove this forum is more about wooden boat building and I love the skill I see in every post / photo I am in awe of the work I see in your build mine was built more with a sledge hammer, chainsaw, and a lot of bandaids
    Last edited by Skiff; 04-06-2016 at 08:29 PM.

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    That is nice. Glad you showed us that. lots of detail- I like the door latch especially!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skiff View Post
    I do here is one https://flic.kr/p/wcbJ4p once I figure out to post I will do it right I do not want to hi jack your thread and mine shanty close to a true shanty and not in a goodway (used lumber, pallets, a propane tank for a wood stove this forum is more about wooden boat building and I love the skill I see in every post / photo I am in awe of the work I see in your build mine was built more with a sledge hammer, chainsaw, and a lot of bandaids
    Click the arrow below and to the right of the pic on flickr,then copy and paste the BBC code below your text in the reply block.

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    Thanks Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skiff View Post
    Thanks Ben
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    You're welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skiff View Post
    Thanks Ben
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    Love it Kevin.

    Looking forward to what develops with your build Walt.

    Should be very interesting.

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    I am using Atlantic White Cedar for the chines and sheer clamp. I started a thread a while back to see what everyone thought about this and most gave a thumbs up. AWC is a soft wood and that was the concern. There will be 2 layers of 3/4 x 5" cedar.
    It was suggested, I think, by Chuck to place a layer of 6" cloth tape between the layers. I am doing that so it will strengthen the assemby and hold fasteners for the side planking better. I am using 6 oz fiberglass cloth with West System Epoxy. This is the first piece of it to go on the chine. I have alot of experience with bonding with Epoxy but using it with fiberglass cloth I only do it every 2-5 years and it seems like I have to learn all over again. Don't get me wrong, I have done some large fiberglassing projects including a 29 foot and 32 foot boat. It does not come natural to me like working with wood.



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    Walt looks great I love the fiberglass layer idea. It like a flinch plate beam for a boat . That AWC is beautiful did you get it local?

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    Walt. are you beveling what will be the tops of the chines, to reduce their water holding tendencies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skiff View Post
    Walt looks great I love the fiberglass layer idea. It like a flinch plate beam for a boat . That AWC is beautiful did you get it local?
    That is a good analagy.
    The AWC came from Gatesville NC and it is great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swoody126 View Post
    Walt. are you beveling what will be the tops of the chines, to reduce their water holding tendencies?

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    I am not beveling the tops of the chines because the hull should be fully covered by the decks and house. Perhaps they should be beveled. I have done it on the open boats I have built.
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    Walt, that's great work! You certainly have the skills going at it without plans, amazed at how this comes together. What will you power her with?

    BTW, good looking mini mansion too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavewacker View Post
    Walt, that's great work! You certainly have the skills going at it without plans, amazed at how this comes together. What will you power her with?

    BTW, good looking mini mansion too!
    It will pushed or towed in the beggining and I would like to put twin 60 HP Yamaha outboards if I can somehow afford it.

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    I bet 20 HP would get it up to hull speed Walt. Twin 20s would provide redundancy and maneuverability and be much less expensive.

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    You might be right. There are a couple of guys around here who put large motors on barges and they don't go any faster.
    I am using it on the Chesapeake Bay and the wind blows most of the time. I don't want it to be under powered and stop me in a headwind. I think towing it would give me an idea of what horsepower would push it. i really don't need it to come up on a plane but it would be neat if it did.
    The Oyster Barge I built goes 20 knots with a 115 HP Yamaha when its light. They are putting a 150 HP on it soon. It will be interesting what it does with that.



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    What has been done: All chines and sheer clamps have 6" fiberglass tape and epoxy. Installed bow awthartship angled piece that was tricky to fit. It is the piece painted white. Milled the boards to double the chines and sheer clamp and epoxied on the first section.





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    I am enjoying following this thread. Thanks Walt!
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