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    Quote Originally Posted by MoritzSchwarzer View Post
    This looks a lot easier on the eyes, knuckles and sails. Good going.
    I don't doubt the two big parrells will work, but a handful smaller ones would probably look more in proportion.
    Actually there are three parrells...

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    Beautiful project and great wood and metal work.

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    Puttering.... still no keel stock, although, I'm told it's been cut and details of delivery are in the works. Thanks, Duke.



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    tiller shape is almost identical to the shape of an ADZ HANDLE, which i find made of hickory @ about $8/ea from the local flea mkt

    I DO LOVE THAT SHAPE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by G.Sherman View Post
    Marking time waiting for the keel stock to arrive.... making alterations to gaff and boom per Jay Greer.
    Lovely Work! It has the look of excellent craftsmanship!
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    Looks nice but I would like to see the grain running out through the jaws.

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    This is wonderful news!

    I have to say, I have my reservations about Dixon Kemp's drawings of the centerboard. I suspect Una had a centerboard more like the later New York boats, rather than the British style Kemp drew for it.

    Here is an example of an 1862 boat that sometimes raced as a catboat. The lines were taken off the actual boat by John Hyslop, whereas Kemp was working with a half model:



    I'm sure that's an exaggerated racing centerboard, most likely the one Fish designed looked more like this:



    The trouble with the one in Kemp's drawing is that it leaves almost nothing in the case, and therefore puts a lot of stress on a small part of it. I've sailed a sharpie with such a setup, and the case always leaked.

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    The centerboard trunk is rabbeted into the keel as per Kemp's description. I thought the board was perhaps a little undersized, not really sure how much it was extended when underway. Certainly not totally vertical, I hope. It also seems a little light to me, will add some lead for some heft. Will prepare a larger board if required.

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    This thread is going to be a delight to follow!
    I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Jones View Post
    This thread is going to be a delight to follow!
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal Forsen View Post
    +1
    +2! Beautiful work & it's a treat to see someone who takes suggestions in the spirit in which they were given. I think her shape is absolutely lovely.
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    New England Naval Timbers just called to say my keel stock will be here on Thursday, thanks Duke Besozzi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G.Sherman View Post
    The centerboard trunk is rabbeted into the keel as per Kemp's description. I thought the board was perhaps a little undersized, not really sure how much it was extended when underway. Certainly not totally vertical, I hope. It also seems a little light to me, will add some lead for some heft. Will prepare a larger board if required.
    Well, maybe that will make the case strong enough, but it sure puts a lot of pressure on the lower part of it, which is probably why the later boats (and possibly this one) had a big, square board. I don't think the area was the issue. I'm sure you'll figure it out.

    This will be fun to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G.Sherman View Post
    More photos. nibbling away at the subassemblies. The beam for the keel has been ordered. The nine mast hoops are drying out and will soon be prepped for finish,
    Centerboard and trunk-

    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    Well, maybe that will make the case strong enough, but it sure puts a lot of pressure on the lower part of it, which is probably why the later boats (and possibly this one) had a big, square board. I don't think the area was the issue. I'm sure you'll figure it out.

    This will be fun to watch.
    I'm inclined to agree with John.
    Can you look at jointing on an upright to the aft end? A bit like this one but higher:

    That will share the racking load with the pivot bolt, and allow for belt and braces by putting a stop through the top to prevent the board dropping if the pendant breaks.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    CLARIFICATION: The centerboard trunk, at this point, is oversized. Approximately 4.5 inches needs to be removed before the capping piece is installed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G.Sherman View Post
    CLARIFICATION: The centerboard trunk, at this point, is oversized. Approximately 4.5 inches needs to be removed before the capping piece is installed.
    How much support does the board have when it is down?
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    How much support does the board have when it is down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G.Sherman View Post
    That does look to be OK.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Looks like there is room to move the pin up. Wouldn't that result in better lateral support?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G.Sherman View Post
    Structurally, that looks better than what Kemp showed, but it also has less area. Won't be hard to change if you need to, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Lesser View Post
    Looks like there is room to move the pin up. Wouldn't that result in better lateral support?
    I am working with the plans provided by Kemp. I imagine that moving the pin up would add lateral support, but it also reduces the profile of centerboard in the water.
    I can redesign the board at anytime if a problem develops after the build.

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    Timber arrived this morning, a little effort getting it into the garage, but it's inside and ready to be worked on.





    Just for a sense of scale.

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    I've started working on the stem section of the keel, just seeing how the subassembly fits. The knee will need an adjustment. The question comes to mind- bronze drift pins or 3/8 ' bronze lags with washers to secure the deadwood to the keel? I will be using tar and fabric at the seams of all the subassemblies. I'm just not a fan of drift pins. I would like for as much of these assemblies to be removable if needed in case of damage or refitting. Anyone have an opinion?

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    Mystic River Foundry has just returned the castings I ordered using my own patterns. The first three casting I've cleaned up are looking pretty good.



    The mast hoops turned out OK also.

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    Finishing the first batch of castings continues... three eyes and five shackles to go. Second package to Mystic River Foundry is packed and ready to be shipped.



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    Second group of patterns, shipping everything except the oarlock. Those may not have been used on the boat.... anyone have any thoughts on that?
    Last edited by G.Sherman; 01-29-2016 at 06:10 AM.

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    The weekend has been spent readying the keel for the bow stem assembly, minor adjustments to the stern post assembly and starting the slot for the centerboard trunk. The mast hoops were cluttering up my office floor, so they've been moved to the garage for temporary storage.




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    Looks like you're off to a hell of a good start.
    I like the casting pieces. They look seriously heavy duty. Mast hoops too came out great.

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    Nice work!That will be a very smart looking boat and I hope we will be kept up to date with the progress.

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    Nothing specific to UNA but an interesting writeup on Gil Smith and his boats that you may/may not have:
    http://nautarch.tamu.edu/pdf-files/Merwin-MA2000.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steamboat View Post
    Nothing specific to UNA but an interesting writeup on Gil Smith and his boats that you may/may not have:
    http://nautarch.tamu.edu/pdf-files/Merwin-MA2000.pdf
    The structural drawings of Pauline are a gold mine.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G.Sherman View Post
    Second group of patterns, shipping everything except the oarlock. Those may not have been used on the boat.... anyone have any thoughts on that?
    Nice job with the patterns and castings. I can't see any split patterns. Did the foundry have a problem with that or charge extra?

    I've been playing around with a foundry recently and hadn't considered casting the screw threads. I assume bronze is stronger than the aluminum I've been using but I wonder if aluminum screws would work? I could use some pad eyes for the boat I'm working on and the oarlock would work on a previous boat I made. Just looking for ideas and was happy to have clicked on this thread.

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    I'll post these casting when they come back from the foundry. To show how much cleanup they do before shipping. The first batch of castings (with red background above) cost me $140 with $10 in shipping.

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    Very nice!
    ----------- You say she is an early example of a N.J. cat, .... She was built there? (Did you post a thread a couple of years ago about researching a an early NJ cat that was built somewhere around the Perth Amboy area of NJ?....... Was that Una??) Am I putting the pieces together correctly here? (Sorry I'm a bit late joining in here.)
    As a comment on her frames, by the 1850's steam bent ribs were well established on the Jersey shore so they were certainly available as a choice for her.
    I'd be surprised If bronze rowlocks would have been used on her at that time. Thole pins were definitely all over the Jersey shore then.

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