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    These guys are trying to fix the frames damaged by fasteners. I suspect iron sickness but there is no way the know from these pictures. The vertical grain in the plugs isn't going to lend much strenght but it is better than rust.

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    yes, rust damage to the wood leaves a big gaping hole in the frame. It’s not how I would deal with them. I would do more along the lines of ospho injection , cutting more out with the grain and banging in a glued spline .
    But , I’d build differently from the git go .
    There is not a putty knife or glue board in sight, just a broken stick and a yogurt cup of epoxy.
    This is why I usually insist on working alone , the few times I help others with their boats anymore.

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    Most likely all the nails below the water line are gone. The planks just haven't broken free yet. The rust, paint and caulking is probably holding it togehter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizbang 13 View Post
    Yea bungs/dowels . Filling the holes from the old galv nails. Make no mistake, these are rough built boats, made pretty by way of some modern sanding and minimal use of epoxy . 40 year d boat, she has been “re built” at least once . The frames are made of local grown timber, chainsaw, hatchet, adze , and disc sander.Planking is mostly yellow pine that , for the most part, would be in acceptable for yacht planking.
    There as an article in Cruising world in the 60s or early 70s. Someone commissioned a similar builder in the islands to build a 16 or 18 foot boat. (It has been a while since I read it) When it was delivered, the builder was very apologetic because after he cut the wood, it came out 21 feet long, no extra charge. The builder apparently employed natural curves rather than sawn timber or steam bent wood. If he measured anything, it was in cubits, spans and fingers, but not inches or mm.
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    I recently watched "Vanishing Sail" a lovely documentary about the building of one of these boats. Well worth getting for the old video library. It is remarkable what these guys do with minimal equipment while folks around here sweat through "first world" problems like choosing between the Fein and Bosch multi tool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stromborg View Post
    I recently watched "Vanishing Sail" a lovely documentary about the building of one of these boats. Well worth getting for the old video library. It is remarkable what these guys do with minimal equipment while folks around here sweat through "first world" problems like choosing between the Fein and Bosch multi tool.

    It features Bruce (Wizbang)'s brother. A colorful character He is the longtime owner of Mermaid of Carriaccou.

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    Yes, Thats my infamous Bro doing a few cameos in Vanishing Sail. "Life is too short for rice krispies and instant coffee".Captain John A Smith...his real name.
    Minerva does cargo between Grenada and Carriacou, built in Petit Martinique (PM).


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    Last edited by wizbang 13; 02-23-2018 at 07:33 PM.

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    Something I see sometimes down here , are attempts to save old Zodes and RIBS ....
    This is a RIB that the tubes died and ply sides were added.

    and another


    or one can just glass the tubes...
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    The bung discussion makes me realise how lucky I am to live in an age and land of epoxy strip plank.

    Having once owned a small zodiac I would bet those 'repaired' ribs would have a chance of at least rowing better than the original.

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    I found another RIB conversion today, this one in the water. I ever get old and give up my sailing dingy, I would be temted to do this with an 8 hp yammie.

    Id keep the bottom cleaner.

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    Here are the frames of Tradition 2 days later, these had the sticks sticking out, now slathered with epoxy tar, ready for planking.


    The ubiquitas West Indian hatchet in there...

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    Looks more convincing as the job progresses... and seriously chunky... can't help but wonder could this be where Buehler got his inspiration?

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    Small Boats rock. You should read "Clean Sweet Wind". It traces the Carriacou and Bequia boats back to itinerant Scottish shipwrights. Buehler gets his ideas from traditional Western Europe boatbuilding and then seriously messes them up.

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    Folks here generally agree that Carriacou Sloops And Carriacou boatbuilders we’re influenced by Nova Scotia.
    Bequia boats (35miles away) were influenced by Gloucester chippies.
    Both islands have “red “ people. The term used for blacks who are, and look , mix race. Blue eyes, euro bone structure, lighter skin... that kind of thing.
    I was only 5 years behind Douglas Pyle , the author of Clean Sweet Wind , when I first was sailing the EC.
    My interests at the time were not cerebral , I just wanted to get stoned and laid. It was wrecking my boat after only a few years forced me to learn boatbuilding here. It was that go back to the factories in Bridgeport.
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    Thanks for the book tip, can't get enough of good reading. I don't know if Buehler boats are good or not, but I do enjoy his complete irreverence to the establishment.

    Bruce it sounds like are you suggesting that you no longer have a desire to get stoned or laid...

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    Please, Bruce has just acquired some additional interests.
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    Oh that's a relief, I thought maybe that tumble had done more damage than he was letting on...

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    Well I have been sober since the fall , no beer rum pot tobac boring .
    land I AM taking anti inflamatorieswinkwink .

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    Here is an old FG launch, about 22 feet. It has a rather large boxy cabin

    The cabin and deck are built of "tin", Galvanized roofing. Not copper.


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    From this I see that lack of money is no excuse for not building a boat.

    How do these boats get hauled up on the beach? Before long my new boat will need a trailer or jinker, but seeing all these pictures makes me wonder if there are other ways of moving boats in and out of the drink.

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    Seine boats. Similar to Bequia whaleboats,

    Check out the stones handwoven into the net for weights

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    Here is a 65 footer, In Windward,coming along.
    Me and the builder Anthony (Nero) Mc Lawrence.



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    Thats a big boat.

    Just butt blocks by the looks , do they use glue at all , Bruce?

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    Yes , a big tough work boat.Very lttle glue. I asked Nero about it. He puts epoxy in the underwater seams .He puts "putty" in the above water seams. No cotton, all oakum. Decent looking galv . boat nails.
    The frames look too far apart to my eye and all the planks are butted on the frames.
    This will never be an elegant yacht /racer conversion, but a rugged, hot, dirty,funky,big diesel cargo hauler.

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    Putting the plank butts on frames if fine as long as the frames are wide enough. It saves the builder a lot of extra time that is required to fabricate butt blocks. Any force on the plank is transferred to a frame instead of the edges of adjacent planking so there is that benefit. The way they are running planking at the turn of the bilge is very odd for a carvel planked boat.
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    I will never be convinced of that Navydog. I feel they kill men .

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    If the plank ends are coming off then the issue really isn't the manner or place they are fastened. In either case frames or butt blocks rot as well as the plank ends. On a well constructed boats the only time I've seen loose planking the main culprit has always been decay.

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    Here's a dead guy after my own heart. His tomb has a bow stuck on it ,like a boat. It has a ships helm and a graphic of a tenor pan(steel drum)!

    Carriacou.Also conspicuous in this country is the lack of a crucifix.

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    Just thinking of you guys, discovered a Steve's cruising guide to the Windward Islands in my bookcase. Must be pirated because its black and white.20180315_104326.jpg

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    Right where we are John.
    I was the first yacht to spend a summer in Tyrell Bay in 1975. Boats visited but none stayed long, no amenities.
    Now, more yachts here in the summer than winter, a few hundred.
    Here is a fine example anchored next to us last week. Gotta say, there was a very pretty gal aboard...

    ...and of course the shredded twirler in the back ground. They say there are two kinds of charter boat captains here, morons and catamorons.

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    A few more pics of the boat earlier, grown timbers.


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    Are the ends of those timbers charred or is that colour from some other cause?

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    Coal tar epoxy ,or "epoxy tar" , or some such. I have never used it, but its popular here.
    The few times I've come in contact with it is trying to grind it off/out of the way to do repairs. It gums up the disc. I'm not a fan of it. I mean , what is the point if they are not bedding/painting the outside of the frame/inside of the plank?
    Perhaps a better place for it is on the outside of the boat under anti fouling as a worm barrier.

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