Spanish Cedar

[Norske3]

Saw some at the local yard....nice...has a color close to maogany....any use in a boat hull?

[Norske3]

Saw some at the local yard....nice...has a color close to maogany....any use in a boat hull?

[Norske3]

Saw some at the local yard....nice...has a color close to maogany....any use in a boat hull?

[Dave Fleming]

Yes, we just mentioned it in this thread.

Spanish Cedar

And remember Google is your friend.

[Dave Fleming]

Yes, we just mentioned it in this thread.

Spanish Cedar

And remember Google is your friend.

[Dave Fleming]

Yes, we just mentioned it in this thread.

Spanish Cedar

And remember Google is your friend.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Philippine Mahogany, sometimes called Spanish Cedar I think it's fine for boat work but be careful of the splinters there a bitch

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Philippine Mahogany, sometimes called Spanish Cedar I think it's fine for boat work but be careful of the splinters there a bitch

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Philippine Mahogany, sometimes called Spanish Cedar I think it's fine for boat work but be careful of the splinters there a bitch

[Dave Fleming]

Brief Description

[ 09-14-2005, 07:19 PM: Message edited by: Dave Fleming ]

[Dave Fleming]

Brief Description

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[Dave Fleming]

Brief Description

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[Tristan]

The "Spanish Cedar" I'm familiar with is Cedrela odorata (called "Cedro" in the Caribbean). The species of Cedrela are relatives of Houduras (and Florida) mahogany. These are broad leaf trees, not related to the evergreen white or red cedars. Philippine mahogany is a totally different tree. It's not a mahogany, as I recall it absorbs water pretty readily.

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[Tristan]

The "Spanish Cedar" I'm familiar with is Cedrela odorata (called "Cedro" in the Caribbean). The species of Cedrela are relatives of Houduras (and Florida) mahogany. These are broad leaf trees, not related to the evergreen white or red cedars. Philippine mahogany is a totally different tree. It's not a mahogany, as I recall it absorbs water pretty readily.

[ 09-14-2005, 08:18 PM: Message edited by: Tristan ]

[Tristan]

The "Spanish Cedar" I'm familiar with is Cedrela odorata (called "Cedro" in the Caribbean). The species of Cedrela are relatives of Houduras (and Florida) mahogany. These are broad leaf trees, not related to the evergreen white or red cedars. Philippine mahogany is a totally different tree. It's not a mahogany, as I recall it absorbs water pretty readily.

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[paladin]

The "old" philippine mahogany as used by Chris Craft was Tanguille......now virtually extinct...the "new" philippine mahogany is the same general appearance and smell but a much lower quality tropical cedar....

[paladin]

The "old" philippine mahogany as used by Chris Craft was Tanguille......now virtually extinct...the "new" philippine mahogany is the same general appearance and smell but a much lower quality tropical cedar....

[paladin]

The "old" philippine mahogany as used by Chris Craft was Tanguille......now virtually extinct...the "new" philippine mahogany is the same general appearance and smell but a much lower quality tropical cedar....

[Norske3]

Oh my...right Dave...Google is my friend ...and WB forumites are even friendlier .........thanks for "Brief Description".

"Dictionary Description" is start but why not ask real people who have experience with building the real floating thing. [img]smile.gif[/img]

You "folla"? [img]smile.gif[/img]

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[Norske3]

Oh my...right Dave...Google is my friend ...and WB forumites are even friendlier .........thanks for "Brief Description".

"Dictionary Description" is start but why not ask real people who have experience with building the real floating thing. [img]smile.gif[/img]

You "folla"? [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 09-15-2005, 08:02 AM: Message edited by: Norske3 ]

[Norske3]

Oh my...right Dave...Google is my friend ...and WB forumites are even friendlier .........thanks for "Brief Description".

"Dictionary Description" is start but why not ask real people who have experience with building the real floating thing. [img]smile.gif[/img]

You "folla"? [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 09-15-2005, 08:02 AM: Message edited by: Norske3 ]

[Tristan]

Interestingly, the tree pictured in the photo in "Brief Description," is NOT a Cedrela! Looks like some kind of fir or other evergreen.

[Tristan]

Interestingly, the tree pictured in the photo in "Brief Description," is NOT a Cedrela! Looks like some kind of fir or other evergreen.

[Tristan]

Interestingly, the tree pictured in the photo in "Brief Description," is NOT a Cedrela! Looks like some kind of fir or other evergreen.

[Thad Van Gilder]

I used spanish cedar for a couple of skiff transoms, as I got a hold of some 24 inch boards.

Varnished, they look pretty darn close to h. mahoghany. I'm the only one who knows for sure.

It holds screws as well as cedar, it holds varnish well, but it is a bit brittle.

That said, I planked the bottom of a smith island crab skiff a while back with it. The boats still kicking, I hear.

-Thad

[Thad Van Gilder]

I used spanish cedar for a couple of skiff transoms, as I got a hold of some 24 inch boards.

Varnished, they look pretty darn close to h. mahoghany. I'm the only one who knows for sure.

It holds screws as well as cedar, it holds varnish well, but it is a bit brittle.

That said, I planked the bottom of a smith island crab skiff a while back with it. The boats still kicking, I hear.

-Thad

[Thad Van Gilder]

I used spanish cedar for a couple of skiff transoms, as I got a hold of some 24 inch boards.

Varnished, they look pretty darn close to h. mahoghany. I'm the only one who knows for sure.

It holds screws as well as cedar, it holds varnish well, but it is a bit brittle.

That said, I planked the bottom of a smith island crab skiff a while back with it. The boats still kicking, I hear.

-Thad

[Ellis Rowe]

My experience with Spanish cedar is that it bleeds resin through your finish. Sometimes immediately after machining, but sometimes much later.

[Ellis Rowe]

My experience with Spanish cedar is that it bleeds resin through your finish. Sometimes immediately after machining, but sometimes much later.

[Ellis Rowe]

My experience with Spanish cedar is that it bleeds resin through your finish. Sometimes immediately after machining, but sometimes much later.

[Kim Apel]

Spanish cedar was favored for planking of rowing shells, back when shells were made of wood

[Kim Apel]

Spanish cedar was favored for planking of rowing shells, back when shells were made of wood

[Kim Apel]

Spanish cedar was favored for planking of rowing shells, back when shells were made of wood

[Popeye]

pencils?

[Popeye]

pencils?

[Popeye]

pencils?

[Bob Smalser]

As several inferior tropical woods are of similar appearance, buy only from a yard you trust.

Cedro sp. is in the Mahogany Family near its cousin Swietenia sp.:

http://www.windsorplywood.com/tropic...nishcedar.html

Spanish-cedar

Cedro

Family: Meliaceae

Other Common Names: Cedro (Central and South America), Acajou rouge (French West Indies), Cedre rouge (French Guiana), Ceder (Surinam).

Distribution: Cedrela occurs from Mexico to Argentina and is found in all countries except Chile. Trees make their best growth on rich, well-drained humid sites but may also compete favorably on drier hillsides; intolerant of water- logged locations.

The Tree: Under favorable conditions will reach heights over 100 ft and diameters 3 to 6 ft above the substantial buttresses. Straight cylindrical boles clear for 40 to 60 ft.

The Wood:

General Characteristics: Heartwood pinkish- to reddish brown when freshly cut, becoming red or dark reddish brown, sometimes with a purplish tinge, after exposure; sharply to rather poorly demarcated from the pinkish to white sapwood. Grain usually straight, sometimes interlocked; texture rather fine and uniform to coarse and uneven; luster medium to high and golden; distinctive cedary odor usually pronounced, some specimens with bitter taste.

Weight: Basic specific gravity (ovendry weight/green volume) very variable ranging from 0.30 to 0.60, averaging about 0.40; air-dry density ranges from 23 to 47 pcf, averaging about 30 pcf.

Mechanical Properties: (First set of data based on 2-in. standard; second set 2- cm standard.)

Moisture content Bending strength Modulus of elasticity Maximum crushing strength

(%) (Psi) (1,000 psi) (Psi)

Green (74) 7,510 1,310 3,370

12% 11,530 1,440 6,210

Green (30) 9,100 1,200 4,080

15% 11,750 NA 5,650

Janka side hardness about 550 lb for green material and 600 lb for air dry. Forest Products Laboratory toughness average for green and dry material 106 in.- lb (5/8-in specimen).

Drying and Shrinkage: Easy to air-season or kiln-dry, slight warp with little or no checking. Kiln schedule T10-D4S is suggested for 4/4 stock and T8-D3S for 8/4. A 200o F heating for 8 to 17 hours at a relative humidity of 60 percent is suggested to control oil and gum exudates in service. Shrinkage green to ovendry: radial 4.2%; tangential 6.3%; volumetric 10.3%. Movement in service rated as small.

Working Properties: Cedro is easy to work with hand and machine tools but somewhat difficult to bore cleanly. Easy to cut into veneer but with some tendency for wooly surfaces to occur; good nailing and gluing properties; stains and finishes well but gums and oils sometimes are a problem in polishing.

Durability: Heartwood is rated as durable but there is some variability within species; resistant to both subterranean and dry-wood termites. Low resistance to attack by marine borers. Wood has excellent weathering characteristics.

Preservation: Heartwood is reported to be extremely resistant to preservation treatments. Reports on treatability of sapwood are conflicting.

Uses: Wood is favored for millwork, cabinets, fine furniture, musical instruments, boat building, patterns, sliced- and rotary-cut veneer, decorative and utility plywoods, cigar wrappers, and cigar boxes. Volatile oils may restrict use for some applications (e.g., clock cases).

[Bob Smalser]

As several inferior tropical woods are of similar appearance, buy only from a yard you trust.

Cedro sp. is in the Mahogany Family near its cousin Swietenia sp.:

http://www.windsorplywood.com/tropic...nishcedar.html

Spanish-cedar

Cedro

Family: Meliaceae

Other Common Names: Cedro (Central and South America), Acajou rouge (French West Indies), Cedre rouge (French Guiana), Ceder (Surinam).

Distribution: Cedrela occurs from Mexico to Argentina and is found in all countries except Chile. Trees make their best growth on rich, well-drained humid sites but may also compete favorably on drier hillsides; intolerant of water- logged locations.

The Tree: Under favorable conditions will reach heights over 100 ft and diameters 3 to 6 ft above the substantial buttresses. Straight cylindrical boles clear for 40 to 60 ft.

The Wood:

General Characteristics: Heartwood pinkish- to reddish brown when freshly cut, becoming red or dark reddish brown, sometimes with a purplish tinge, after exposure; sharply to rather poorly demarcated from the pinkish to white sapwood. Grain usually straight, sometimes interlocked; texture rather fine and uniform to coarse and uneven; luster medium to high and golden; distinctive cedary odor usually pronounced, some specimens with bitter taste.

Weight: Basic specific gravity (ovendry weight/green volume) very variable ranging from 0.30 to 0.60, averaging about 0.40; air-dry density ranges from 23 to 47 pcf, averaging about 30 pcf.

Mechanical Properties: (First set of data based on 2-in. standard; second set 2- cm standard.)

Moisture content Bending strength Modulus of elasticity Maximum crushing strength

(%) (Psi) (1,000 psi) (Psi)

Green (74) 7,510 1,310 3,370

12% 11,530 1,440 6,210

Green (30) 9,100 1,200 4,080

15% 11,750 NA 5,650

Janka side hardness about 550 lb for green material and 600 lb for air dry. Forest Products Laboratory toughness average for green and dry material 106 in.- lb (5/8-in specimen).

Drying and Shrinkage: Easy to air-season or kiln-dry, slight warp with little or no checking. Kiln schedule T10-D4S is suggested for 4/4 stock and T8-D3S for 8/4. A 200o F heating for 8 to 17 hours at a relative humidity of 60 percent is suggested to control oil and gum exudates in service. Shrinkage green to ovendry: radial 4.2%; tangential 6.3%; volumetric 10.3%. Movement in service rated as small.

Working Properties: Cedro is easy to work with hand and machine tools but somewhat difficult to bore cleanly. Easy to cut into veneer but with some tendency for wooly surfaces to occur; good nailing and gluing properties; stains and finishes well but gums and oils sometimes are a problem in polishing.

Durability: Heartwood is rated as durable but there is some variability within species; resistant to both subterranean and dry-wood termites. Low resistance to attack by marine borers. Wood has excellent weathering characteristics.

Preservation: Heartwood is reported to be extremely resistant to preservation treatments. Reports on treatability of sapwood are conflicting.

Uses: Wood is favored for millwork, cabinets, fine furniture, musical instruments, boat building, patterns, sliced- and rotary-cut veneer, decorative and utility plywoods, cigar wrappers, and cigar boxes. Volatile oils may restrict use for some applications (e.g., clock cases).

[Bob Smalser]

As several inferior tropical woods are of similar appearance, buy only from a yard you trust.

Cedro sp. is in the Mahogany Family near its cousin Swietenia sp.:

http://www.windsorplywood.com/tropic...nishcedar.html

Spanish-cedar

Cedro

Family: Meliaceae

Other Common Names: Cedro (Central and South America), Acajou rouge (French West Indies), Cedre rouge (French Guiana), Ceder (Surinam).

Distribution: Cedrela occurs from Mexico to Argentina and is found in all countries except Chile. Trees make their best growth on rich, well-drained humid sites but may also compete favorably on drier hillsides; intolerant of water- logged locations.

The Tree: Under favorable conditions will reach heights over 100 ft and diameters 3 to 6 ft above the substantial buttresses. Straight cylindrical boles clear for 40 to 60 ft.

The Wood:

General Characteristics: Heartwood pinkish- to reddish brown when freshly cut, becoming red or dark reddish brown, sometimes with a purplish tinge, after exposure; sharply to rather poorly demarcated from the pinkish to white sapwood. Grain usually straight, sometimes interlocked; texture rather fine and uniform to coarse and uneven; luster medium to high and golden; distinctive cedary odor usually pronounced, some specimens with bitter taste.

Weight: Basic specific gravity (ovendry weight/green volume) very variable ranging from 0.30 to 0.60, averaging about 0.40; air-dry density ranges from 23 to 47 pcf, averaging about 30 pcf.

Mechanical Properties: (First set of data based on 2-in. standard; second set 2- cm standard.)

Moisture content Bending strength Modulus of elasticity Maximum crushing strength

(%) (Psi) (1,000 psi) (Psi)

Green (74) 7,510 1,310 3,370

12% 11,530 1,440 6,210

Green (30) 9,100 1,200 4,080

15% 11,750 NA 5,650

Janka side hardness about 550 lb for green material and 600 lb for air dry. Forest Products Laboratory toughness average for green and dry material 106 in.- lb (5/8-in specimen).

Drying and Shrinkage: Easy to air-season or kiln-dry, slight warp with little or no checking. Kiln schedule T10-D4S is suggested for 4/4 stock and T8-D3S for 8/4. A 200o F heating for 8 to 17 hours at a relative humidity of 60 percent is suggested to control oil and gum exudates in service. Shrinkage green to ovendry: radial 4.2%; tangential 6.3%; volumetric 10.3%. Movement in service rated as small.

Working Properties: Cedro is easy to work with hand and machine tools but somewhat difficult to bore cleanly. Easy to cut into veneer but with some tendency for wooly surfaces to occur; good nailing and gluing properties; stains and finishes well but gums and oils sometimes are a problem in polishing.

Durability: Heartwood is rated as durable but there is some variability within species; resistant to both subterranean and dry-wood termites. Low resistance to attack by marine borers. Wood has excellent weathering characteristics.

Preservation: Heartwood is reported to be extremely resistant to preservation treatments. Reports on treatability of sapwood are conflicting.

Uses: Wood is favored for millwork, cabinets, fine furniture, musical instruments, boat building, patterns, sliced- and rotary-cut veneer, decorative and utility plywoods, cigar wrappers, and cigar boxes. Volatile oils may restrict use for some applications (e.g., clock cases).

[Norske3]

a HULL PLANKED IN SC AND FINISHED BRIGHT MUST BE GORGEOUS. [img]smile.gif[/img] ..Thanks for replies Bob.I would like to see Albert Strange's Wenda planked this way.

[ 09-16-2005, 04:04 PM: Message edited by: Norske3 ]

[Norske3]

a HULL PLANKED IN SC AND FINISHED BRIGHT MUST BE GORGEOUS. [img]smile.gif[/img] ..Thanks for replies Bob.I would like to see Albert Strange's Wenda planked this way.

[ 09-16-2005, 04:04 PM: Message edited by: Norske3 ]

[Norske3]

a HULL PLANKED IN SC AND FINISHED BRIGHT MUST BE GORGEOUS. [img]smile.gif[/img] ..Thanks for replies Bob.I would like to see Albert Strange's Wenda planked this way.

[ 09-16-2005, 04:04 PM: Message edited by: Norske3 ]