I think you made a great choice. John's reports tell that the Ilur is a very capable boat.
An Ilur in R.I.
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The boat building part is still in French, but it looks like it mainly has to do with epoxy and glued-lap basics. Three pages are in English though. Hopefully all the pertinent info is on those pages! My French is near non-existent, but much of this stuff looks at least a little familiar. I will be ordering the full-sized patterns as soon as I save a few pennies.
I'm looking forward to steam-bending frames and copper-riveting them in. The riveting is new to me, and it looks like another pair of hands is essential. The page on riveting is in French.
I am struck by the difference between the plans for the Whilly Boat and the Ilur. Oughtred's plans came on five blueprint-sized sheets:
A lines plan, a construction plan, a sail plan, and two sheets of full-sized patterns. Talk about economy! And beautiful drawings.
I will be spending a lot of time looking at both John's and Tim's builds. Thanks to you both for such good documentation.
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Mike re the French building instructions. A guy in the Philippines has auto translated them and Francois has posted a download link on his blog site,
blog.vivierboats.com
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The boat building part is still in French, but it looks like it mainly has to do with epoxy and glued-lap basics. Three pages are in English though. Hopefully all the pertinent info is on those pages! My French is near non-existent, but much of this stuff looks at least a little familiar. I will be ordering the full-sized patterns as soon as I save a few pennies.
I'm looking forward to steam-bending frames and copper-riveting them in. The riveting is new to me, and it looks like another pair of hands is essential. The page on riveting is in French.
I am struck by the difference between the plans for the Whilly Boat and the Ilur. Oughtred's plans came on five blueprint-sized sheets:
A lines plan, a construction plan, a sail plan, and two sheets of full-sized patterns. Talk about economy! And beautiful drawings.
I will be spending a lot of time looking at both John's and Tim's builds. Thanks to you both for such good documentation.
Onward!I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.
Skiing is the next best thing to having wings.Comment
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Thanks, Graeme! I'll check that out. Rich, the "Classic" Ilur calls for either steam bent or laminated frames.
I'm not sure, but maybe the kit has more bulkheads? The "classic" does have lots of flotation and below-floor storage like John's Waxwing.
I'm enjoying your launch thread!
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The plans for the "Ilur" can be ordered with full-sized patterns for some structural parts. I'd love to try lofting someday, but not this time! Here I'm laying out the stem pattern and cutting it out of plywood. Got some nice vertical grain Douglas Fir to make it out of.
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Hey Mike, that sure brings back find memories! For me the start of a project is my favorite part, full of potential and before the compromises and closr-enoughs set in. Carry on Sir!
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Thanks, Mike! It is a wonderful part of the process. Looking at the plans and figuring out the designer's intent, imagining how this view corresponds to that, choosing wood. It's all good. I just need a benefactor!
I'm taking a 6 week bronze casting class in January. Hoping to make one of these mast gates for the boat. The first is Tom Jackson's, I believe, and the rough casting is John Hartmann's.
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Started the glue-up of the stem this morning. I'm not sure I like this method much. Three layers, with offset cuts. If it's a total failure, I may try to scarph solid wood like I did for the outer stem of Swift.
More on that later. Meanwhile, I made this 6 inch mock-up to try my hand at cutting bird's mouths. It was a piece of cake! Very satisfying. Should be just a bit more difficult when the staves are 17 feet long. It's the right diameter though-90mm. Made from 1 and 3/8th staves by 3/4". I used Titebond 3 for the mock-up. Any thoughts on this vs. epoxy for the real one? Hoping to use Spruce.
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My first thought for your mast would be to use the gap filling qualities of epoxy Falcon. I doubt you could get the staves to fit together 100% exactly like your mockup. Dunno if T3 has that quality.Comment
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Interestingly titled book you have there on the table. Made me look it up. Sounds good!I was born on a wooden boat that I built myself.
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Sounds like epoxy is the way. Gap filling is always good, considering the usual quality of my joints.
Rich, anything by Carl Hiaasen is a fun read. Quirky characters, action and an eco-preservation message in all of 'em. Can't miss!Comment
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Thanks for the Carl Hiassen reminder! I used to read him and Tim Dorsey but it's been a few years... sounds like a Florida crime binge is in my future!
Epoxy for sure, mainly because I can't imagine the stress of a TB3 glue-up. For my 19' mainmast everything went smoothly with a combination of good preparation and the long open time of epoxy.
The supports I used were leveled with the laser and then the last two were adjusted to accommodate the mast taper. That's #12 copper wire I tied with, I tried hose clamps on a small mock-up and decided that wire was cheaper and made it much easier to clean the squeeze-out. The only thing I wasn't expecting was how much epoxy I would use. It turned out OK, I just wish I would have had something else prepared that I could have used all the squeeze-out on, maybe something laminated.
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