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    Just picked up this little project.......

    Please excuse the shelterdeck but it does make good spot for working while fitting out down below




    How she should look



    photo courtesy of http://www.trawlerphotos.co.uk/galle...r-wk30&cat=710

    She has a wonderful Gardner 5L3
    Built in 1950 in Scalloway, Shetland Isles according to the internet.

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    Super.

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    Are you planing to fish it or is this going to be a pleasure yacht? What sort of shape is it in?

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    Very nice! I have always liked the hull shape of those UK draggers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by breaker View Post
    Are you planing to fish it or is this going to be a pleasure yacht? What sort of shape is it in?
    Pleasure/pain, she appears to be in reasonable shape (I know I'm going to eat my words on that).
    She was being converted to a dive salvage boat but the PO bought a bigger one.

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    Wow a great project!
    What accommodation are you planning.
    Those shelters that most UK trawlers seem to have spawned look awful. I guess it is health and safety at work?!
    Where are you based?
    I would live to have a boat like that but the other half would be no more!
    I like the dickens class motor boat or the spey motor sailer on eBay at moment.
    Were you the guy asking accomodation questions of so I have beuhler boat building book if you want it.
    Cheers james

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    Wow! Those boats are beautiful. I hope it works out well! ie I hope you have deep pockets, enormous patience and perseverance, and an enthusiastic and understanding wife!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesh View Post
    Wow a great project!
    What accommodation are you planning.
    Those shelters that most UK trawlers seem to have spawned look awful. I guess it is health and safety at work?!
    Where are you based?
    I would live to have a boat like that but the other half would be no more!
    I like the dickens class motor boat or the spey motor sailer on eBay at moment.
    Were you the guy asking accomodation questions of so I have beuhler boat building book if you want it.
    Cheers james
    Thanks
    Planning on one single cabin forward and one double in the hold along with the shower and head, the original crew quarters are still in the aft cabin, but we will be putting appliances down there.
    I think the shelterdecks come from having to stay at sea for longer, travelling further and in worse conditions, the bulwarks on her are only about 18" high.
    i haven't got Beuhlers book yet, how much do want for it?
    The boat is on the Humber but I'm currently based in Kent.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Wow! Those boats are beautiful. I hope it works out well! ie I hope you have deep pockets, enormous patience and perseverance, and an enthusiastic and understanding wife!
    Thanks
    I have 2 1/2 out of 4, deep pockets are also empty and SWMBO is very understanding but not so enthusiastic.
    It s going to be a work boat finish, not yacht finish (tried that before).

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    Reminds me a little of the fishing tugs here on the Great Lakes. I've often thought these sheltered decks look like some sort of add on as well.

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    Pm me your address and I will send it. Also see this bookhttps://wordery.com/wooden-fishing-boats-of-scotland-james-a-pottinger-9780752487571?currency=GBP&gtrck=blBRNzRSdG1PZE9Ta 21sZkZpdFZaNUFRdUVhbE4rS3FRVU5SUEl2UEV5d29FR3VEbUx NTUpncVNVU0NPNWlLalFtK0pUZzZKUW90K3ZSZG4waE1Hb2c9P Q&gclid=Cj0KEQiAsZayBRCrioKRkYetvc0BEiQAI70-A-TKA0AIvIuFAxMY-B7nH4Kz5Ialadoe-uxARUziJesaAk3X8P8HAQ
    Cheers James

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    What engine? Is she larch on oak? Where/when was she built?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hwyl View Post
    What engine? Is she larch on oak? Where/when was she built?
    Details in first post.

    Larch on Oak, built in Scalloway, Shetlands according to the internet
    The Jewel in the crown is the Gardner 5L3

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    A real one ! Congratulations, she will be wonderful!
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    Beautiful boat! Congratulations! I nearly died of fright when I saw the first photo but she really looks terrific in the second!

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    Quote Originally Posted by artif View Post
    Thanks
    Planning on one single cabin forward and one double in the hold along with the shower and head, the original crew quarters are still in the aft cabin, but we will be putting appliances down there.
    I think the shelterdecks come from having to stay at sea for longer, travelling further and in worse conditions, the bulwarks on her are only about 18" high.
    i haven't got Beuhlers book yet, how much do want for it?
    The boat is on the Humber but I'm currently based in Kent.

    Cheers
    Nice hull.
    Are you going to motor her down to a berth in Kent for the conversion?
    Any thoughts about auxiliary sails?
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    A lovely toy indeed, I'll be another watching your progress with interest. Wishing you great times ahead with her.
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    Wow. A proper boat with a proper engine! Excellent!
    Those enclosures are ugly as hell, and must add a lot of windage; I've never worked on a trawler but if I had I'd sure be glad of them though, sea sickness not-withstanding.

    These guys in Ireland for Gardner engines http://www.tangentengineering.co.uk/live/?gclid=CjwKEAiA1JuyBRCogJLz4J71kj0SJADsd6QRr_z2WCG jx9hNp8pwEZj2asFJP28GddOzaJ8bK4LAUhoC5-3w_wcB


    These guys are in Canterbury, a bit closer to you.. http://www.gardnermarine.com/

    Keep us posted on progress!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Nice hull.
    Are you going to motor her down to a berth in Kent for the conversion?
    Any thoughts about auxiliary sails?

    She is going to stay where she is until well in to next year, I'm very busy at my current job, but I may be getting a new job and I'm not sure where I will be based for it.

    Not sure on auxiliary sail but definitely want a steadying sail, and possibly a pair of fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lupussonic View Post
    Wow. A proper boat with a proper engine! Excellent!
    Those enclosures are ugly as hell, and must add a lot of windage; I've never worked on a trawler but if I had I'd sure be glad of them though, sea sickness not-withstanding.

    These guys in Ireland for Gardner engines http://www.tangentengineering.co.uk/live/?gclid=CjwKEAiA1JuyBRCogJLz4J71kj0SJADsd6QRr_z2WCG jx9hNp8pwEZj2asFJP28GddOzaJ8bK4LAUhoC5-3w_wcB


    These guys are in Canterbury, a bit closer to you.. http://www.gardnermarine.com/

    Keep us posted on progress!
    I've done a couple of trips on a 40' gil netter, first one was in a F9 out past the Scillies, a shelter deck would have made it quite a bit more pleasant.

    Thanks for the links, I was aware of the one in Canterbury but not the Irish one.

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    Starting a new forward deck hatch and was going to make something similar to this--
    When I say similar I mean a flat topped hatch with either prism or windows in, anyone have any tips or tricks with making it reasonably water tight, other than the obvious foam strip around the hatch lid opening.



    Photo from Kentish Maid restoration http://www.tonygrove.com/articles/ne...sh-maid-p2.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by artif View Post
    The Jewel in the crown is the Gardner 5L3
    what a lovely lump that is!

    congrats on the new project looks interesting
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artif View Post
    Starting a new forward deck hatch and was going to make something similar to this--
    When I say similar I mean a flat topped hatch with either prism or windows in, anyone have any tips or tricks with making it reasonably water tight, other than the obvious foam strip around the hatch lid opening.



    Photo from Kentish Maid restoration http://www.tonygrove.com/articles/ne...sh-maid-p2.php
    A foam strip may seem obvious, but is equally hopeless as a means of keeping water out. You need a double walled hatchway, the inner lip being higher than the outer, and a good sized drainage channel between them. The hatch rests on the outer rim, some water gets between hatch and rim, but that water drains harmlessly away out onto the deck through limber holes. This construction has a name, which I can't recall ATM but someone will and then you can google it.

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    The Maurice Griffith "leak proof " hatch.



    Don Kuryllco's version.



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    Thanks, that looks more like what I was after.

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    I put the groove facing up into the hatch top itself; didn't see the point of letting water in to let it out again, but maybe I'm missing something. Water has to go around 6 corners to get into the cabin on mine. Bronze bar is let in to the lower box, gasket in the top groove.



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    Ply tops. Hard to get glass or whatever to fit onto a curved surface.


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    Thanks

    Started on the through deck part today, first time I've done a dove tail joint for many years, fortunately they wont be on public view, practice makes perfect (well , better at least)

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    Water only has to go up about what, less than a half inch, from there capillary action will do it's work across the top, and then gravity takes over. That's OK in rain, but no good with green water coming over your deck. The Maurice Griffith hatch works, and does not rely on unreliable gaskets to do so. Well worth the trouble.

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    Congratulations ..and commiserations....

    How is she fixed?...galv boat nails i imagine....hopefully in good condition as these are often the make or break issue for these old ring netters/ MFv's.

    These guys should be a good source of info..:

    http://www.shemaron.co.uk/

    Best of luck...

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    Thanks, that link looks interesting.
    Boat nails were pulled earlier in the year before going back in the water and we were told in good condition, no reason not to believe the PO as he was in the process of setting her up for a commercial salvage job, and has spent a small fortune on getting her ready.
    Apparently the previous skipper finished fishing and was doing rig patrols, until illness stopped him.

    I'm still quite amused at the lightweight build compared to our old Danish boat, she looks more of yacht than a fishing boat, obviously she can take a beating given her age and condition though. Makes it a lot easier to fix.

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    O.k big question, what hob oven combo, I like the idea of diesel stove but the price (ouch) are they really any good for year round life aboard, or Gas cheaper to buy quick and easy to use but the marine ones seem to be a bit low on power (the ones I've used have been). Obviously a diesel stove with a water coil could do the central heating but are they really up to job, or just a nice secondary heater.

    And a video of the Gardner


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    Dickenson Adriatic or Atlantic would be the size for you, I believe. You may find you never cruise or livea-board with it off, except for cleaning. Our Pacific stove is at the heart of the cruising experience up here. I bought an older used one, and then a spare one for parts. What an interesting and capable looking boat you have acquired. Best of luck with her! / Jim

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    Finally making some progress, amazing what you can get done in a few days.
    1st of the fuel tanks being removed 1 more to go, a bit of tight squeeze coming out, just need to get it off the boat now (need a high tide). Took a while to get this far due all the junk that needed clearing out first, it didn't look that bad but I managed to fill the back of my 110 landy.



    Got some bits done in the forward cabin, started lining the sides with planking, but need to fix some deck leaks ASAP, got the frame for the forward bunk fitted as well, no pics yet though, keep forgetting to take any.
    Looks like some deck planks and a couple frames will need replacing so far, not too bad really considering her working life.

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    I've known Agas on 40' sailing boats. Lotta hassle though. My inclination for you is to heat air with diesel, I'm sure there will be one big enough for central heating, and cook with gas.

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    I cooked on a schooner with a Stanley range. Very nice it was.

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