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    lee boards?.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluedog225 View Post
    lee boards?.....
    Offset centreboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keyhavenpotterer View Post
    Offset centreboard.
    Yes. More of a whispered suggestion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluedog225 View Post
    lee boards?.....
    Are you saying you would like a leeboard option? John does not include leeboards in the Walkabout drawings (I'm not sure he likes them), but a builder in the UK, Martyn Long, designed and installed a Michalak style single leeboard on his Walkabout:





    Martyn says this works well in the shallow areas he sails, could be do-able on Long Steps also (don't tell John).

    Edit - Found Martyn's video:

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    Bingo! That's great to know. Thanks. I'll keep it to myself.

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    Yes that could indeed be done, I don't mind leeboards and have done drawings for those on several designs. But for serious open water work much prefer a fully housed 'board that can be much better supported.

    John Welsford.



    Quote Originally Posted by rgthom View Post
    Are you saying you would like a leeboard option? John does not include leeboards in the Walkabout drawings (I'm not sure he likes them), but a builder in the UK, Martyn Long, designed and installed a Michalak style single leeboard on his Walkabout:





    Martyn says this works well in the shallow areas he sails, could be do-able on Long Steps also (don't tell John).

    Edit - Found Martyn's video:

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    Interested in your view on "better supported" John. It would seem that the lee board guide/top housing slot could just be seen as operating the same way as the slot in the bottom of a hull, and both have a pin. I used to see an issue of the pin being only supported from one side ,rather than running through two sides of a board casing; but after reading through Michalaks design notes, his numbers pretty much demolished any perceived weakness in the design from a strength point of view that i had; admittedly, Jim does not design for offshore, but his numbers seem to validate sound design. Ian

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    Pastor Tod has posted some pictures on John Welsford's Facebook page of his stretched Walkabout. It a Long Steps before Long Steps was designed!



    https://www.facebook.com/groups/4405...7416525770569/

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    Very nice, I been thinking JIM might need a cuddy some time.... our Sun is a little overpowering sometimes.

    Does the little construction forward guide the foot of the mast as it's lifted and dropped through ?

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    Yes, think it is a Scamp development that has proven to work well. John has included a deeper trough for LS. It is shown by the line from the mast foot angled back to just past bulkhead 3. There is a wedge/chock that you remove. Slide the mast in, and then replace the chock, which holds the mast upright.

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    I like it !

    This was my inspiration for the idea ....
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    Thats an interesting arrangement on that boat Mr Sibley, got anymore info? I have drawn up something that maybe quite similar for the Mariette pram, as in a removable cabin top. I quite fancied a folding roof, but im having trouble engineering it to be strong enough, yet light enough to be easily man handled on and off. Sorry for thread drift.....

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    Unfortunately no further info, it's just an image i found trawling the web.
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    No worries, i have just received a copy of Harrison Butler "cruising yachts", surprised to find a sketch on a folding deck house arrangement! Something to work with.

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    I love HB's folding table, the one that hides in the sole!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Unfortunately no further info, it's just an image i found trawling the web.
    Actually, the image is from a photobucket account "peterontweed" and if you look at the guys profile..

    -----I assume he's Peter, who lives near the river Tweed in Scotland.

    .....you will find a delightful series of wooden boat building photographs.

    http://s1062.photobucket.com/user/PeteronTweed/profile/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan H View Post
    Actually, the image is from a photobucket account "peterontweed" and if you look at the guys profile..

    -----I assume he's Peter, who lives near the river Tweed in Scotland.

    .....you will find a delightful series of wooden boat building photographs.

    http://s1062.photobucket.com/user/PeteronTweed/profile/
    You might also find he's an Australian living near the Tweed River in New South Wales .
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    You might also find he's an Australian living near the Tweed River in New South Wales .
    I dinnae ken there was a Tweed River in Oz!

    I love the little blue boat, though. Like...a LOT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    You might also find he's an Australian living near the Tweed River in New South Wales .
    I dinnae ken there was a Tweed River in Oz! However, scrolling through the photos a bit more than I did before reveals that you're spot on.

    I love the little blue boat, though. Like...a LOT.
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    Was wondering if John has gotten any farther with this intriguing design, and when plans might be available, hint, hint.

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    The full sized mockup of some of the boat didnt look quite right, did not fit me so I'm redrawing a couple of areas. Tiny changes, but will make a difference to me when I'm in the boat for several days at a time.

    But its almost Christmas, thats our summer break here and there are a lot of my engineering customers going hard out to get orders completed and shipped by the shutdown date and I'm swamped with "can you fix it yesterday please" work.
    So I'm not doing a lot of boat work right now, am pleased with the extra work as it will pay the rent for months to come.

    I'll be back onto boating and boat design around New Year when things settle down.

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    Default Re: John Welsford, Long Steps design, cross post.

    If there is a waiting list for plans...I'd like to be on it.
    No rush...I'm only seventy something .

    I love the fact that you are building this for yourself first.

    Image repost...just to keep the slow simmering pot stirred up a bit.


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    Thanks for bumping that up, I'll be back onto building next week, this week I'm busy with engineering customers and building tool lockers in my new truck. Life gets in the way of the important things sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gillig View Post
    If there is a waiting list for plans...I'd like to be on it.
    No rush...I'm only seventy something .

    I love the fact that you are building this for yourself first.

    Image repost...just to keep the slow simmering pot stirred up a bit.

    An expert is but a beginner with experience.

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    Default Re: John Welsford, Long Steps design, cross post.

    I wonder what the mission John is planning? Fortescue Bay to Milford Sound? That would be quite a trip.

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    It's fun & interesting to see a designer's preliminary plans in large scale on the PC screen. Partly-erased lines, changes in proportion, seat angles, oar locations, mast rake, notes etc.

    Evidence of the thought process - the 'iterative spiral of design'...

    ..all hidden when I surf this forum on my phone...

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    Kingston to Walter Peak would be fun!

    John Welsford

    Quote Originally Posted by IanHowick View Post
    I wonder what the mission John is planning? Fortescue Bay to Milford Sound? That would be quite a trip.
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    Even with all that, there are times when a full sized mockup helps, and times when that mockup tells me that I need to change things a little.

    John Welsford

    It's fun & interesting to see designer's preliminary plans in large scale on the PC screen. Partly-erased lines, changes in proportion, seat angles, oar locations, mast rake, notes etc.

    Evidence of the thought process - the 'iterative spiral of design'...

    ..all hidden when I surf this forum on my phone...[/QUOTE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by john welsford View Post
    Kingston to Walter Peak would be fun!

    John Welsford
    Yes, will hopefully be able to do that next week. (Or at least Kingston to Frankton beach) I'll drive the GIS down and leave it on it's beach trolley on a friend's lawn in Kingston, then hitch a ride down early on the first moderate southerly day that comes up.

    I'm fascinated bu this design, when I first saw Scamp, I thought yes, but what I'd really want is those features put into a slightly larger Walkabout hull, water ballast and the little cuddy cabin on the same narrow hull so it still rows well.

    I can see it being possible to capsize this boat in nasty conditions and provided you have a wet or drysuit on and a lifeline, being reasonably comfortable with getting it back upright, getting the mainsail down and continuing downwind to hopefully safety under just the mizzen and the windage from the cabin. Pathfinder I think would be a bit more/too much of a handful to self rescue on your own.

    I'm curious, how do the stability curves of LS and the Pathfinder compare? Which would be harder/less likely to be knocked down?

    If you did put it on it's side, sails in the water, would it come up on it's own once the mainsheet was released?

    Ian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gillig View Post
    If there is a waiting list for plans...I'd like to be on it.
    No rush...I'm only seventy something .

    I love the fact that you are building this for yourself first.

    Image repost...just to keep the slow simmering pot stirred up a bit.

    Please Sir, may we have some more?
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    This is exciting - I really like the look of this one - and the parameters. Many times have I agonized over the SCAMP, but always coming up short ;p
    both are excellent, but this new one is more excellent to me

    thank you mr welsford, I'll be ordering these plans, it just looks so sweet - I wouldn't be surprized if you get a certain % of the tern owners jealous

    since it's 18 and a half feet, is it too much to ask for a 6 and half foot enclosed sleeping sized cabin option? honestly, I wonder if that could be worked into the base plans as a 'b' model or whatever
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    Long Steps update on John's blog.

    http://jwboatdesigns.blogspot.co.uk/...-to-begin.html

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    Default Re: John Welsford, Long Steps design, cross post.

    Pastor Todd has built a Walkabout with a Scamp style cuddy and she looks lovely. Bodes really well for how Long Steps will look!


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    Following this with great interest.

    If I ever get more serious about boat building, and get some more simple builds under my belt, the dream has always been to work up the nerve (and time, and money, and space...) to build a Welsford Pathfinder or Navigator. Based solely on the design brief, however, I'm thinking a Long Steps might be the new dream!
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    Default Re: John Welsford, Long Steps design, cross post.

    Todd's modifications turned out very nicely. With Walkabout's low freeboard I was expecting the cuddy to look out of place, but he has scaled it with enough room to fit himself under yet look right on the boat.

    Welsford mentioned he was revising Long Step's cuddy for a bit more room, on that larger hull it should work well.

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    One of the issues I face with Long Steps is that she has a self draining cockpit floor with a water ballast tank under it, so there is about 200mm or so more height to be found under the cuddy. Long Steps is quite a lot more boat than Walkabout, slightly wider, quite a bit deeper and longer.
    I'm up to sheet four ( of 12) on the plans, will start cutting plywood next week.

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