Best catalogs? ...and oil fired running lights!

[John058]

...just got my Hamilton Marine catalog...Oh Boy!!...already found all the missing bits I will need in my restoration project...I live about 6 miles from Highland Hardware and have Woodcraft and Northern stores available as well so there's no stopping me now

[Barrett Faneuf]

On the nuts-and-bolts end, McMaster-Carr.
Professional engineering/manufacturing supplier. It's amazing how much stuff can be turned to nautical purposes. http://www.mcmaster.com/

[Barrett Faneuf]

On the nuts-and-bolts end, McMaster-Carr.
Professional engineering/manufacturing supplier. It's amazing how much stuff can be turned to nautical purposes. http://www.mcmaster.com/

[Barrett Faneuf]

On the nuts-and-bolts end, McMaster-Carr.
Professional engineering/manufacturing supplier. It's amazing how much stuff can be turned to nautical purposes. http://www.mcmaster.com/

[Konrad]

I guess us Heartland rural types are more eclectic than I thought. Northern Tool is an old standby. Doesn't everyone use sausage stuffers?

And they sell the exact same wind generator as West Marine for about 200 bucks less.

[Konrad]

I guess us Heartland rural types are more eclectic than I thought. Northern Tool is an old standby. Doesn't everyone use sausage stuffers?

And they sell the exact same wind generator as West Marine for about 200 bucks less.

[Konrad]

I guess us Heartland rural types are more eclectic than I thought. Northern Tool is an old standby. Doesn't everyone use sausage stuffers?

And they sell the exact same wind generator as West Marine for about 200 bucks less.

[SAWDUST]

jamestown distributors has a great catalog

[SAWDUST]

jamestown distributors has a great catalog

[SAWDUST]

jamestown distributors has a great catalog

[landlocked sailor]

www.leevalley.com . The best. Rick

[landlocked sailor]

www.leevalley.com . The best. Rick

[landlocked sailor]

www.leevalley.com . The best. Rick

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Don't know what sort of Tung Woo lights you would get for US$24 but assume Cleek means the toy ones they made for the tourist trade.

Unlike Daveys but like everyone else, Tung Woo's "real" ones use conventional lamp chimneys, whereas Daveys used to use (but no longer use) their patented cone burner, which is superior.

But I've used Tung Woo's for a good many years now. Since they came with a British Government certificate, they certainly were not rubbish. The firm closed down rather than use plastic, in 1997 - the owners sold the freehold and retired to Vancouver.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Don't know what sort of Tung Woo lights you would get for US$24 but assume Cleek means the toy ones they made for the tourist trade.

Unlike Daveys but like everyone else, Tung Woo's "real" ones use conventional lamp chimneys, whereas Daveys used to use (but no longer use) their patented cone burner, which is superior.

But I've used Tung Woo's for a good many years now. Since they came with a British Government certificate, they certainly were not rubbish. The firm closed down rather than use plastic, in 1997 - the owners sold the freehold and retired to Vancouver.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Don't know what sort of Tung Woo lights you would get for US$24 but assume Cleek means the toy ones they made for the tourist trade.

Unlike Daveys but like everyone else, Tung Woo's "real" ones use conventional lamp chimneys, whereas Daveys used to use (but no longer use) their patented cone burner, which is superior.

But I've used Tung Woo's for a good many years now. Since they came with a British Government certificate, they certainly were not rubbish. The firm closed down rather than use plastic, in 1997 - the owners sold the freehold and retired to Vancouver.

[Meerkat]

Oil lamps are legal under both COLREGS and USCG regs on boats under 21m (or was it feet...?). Both regs specifically mention them. COLREGS goes into a fair amount of detail on them (and lights in general), specifying both brightness and color spectrum. With USCG regs it's either in appendix A or B (I forget exactly which) of some publication or other (helpful aren't I? ).

I'll dig details up if anyone is interested like I was/am.

[Meerkat]

Oil lamps are legal under both COLREGS and USCG regs on boats under 21m (or was it feet...?). Both regs specifically mention them. COLREGS goes into a fair amount of detail on them (and lights in general), specifying both brightness and color spectrum. With USCG regs it's either in appendix A or B (I forget exactly which) of some publication or other (helpful aren't I? ).

I'll dig details up if anyone is interested like I was/am.

[Meerkat]

Oil lamps are legal under both COLREGS and USCG regs on boats under 21m (or was it feet...?). Both regs specifically mention them. COLREGS goes into a fair amount of detail on them (and lights in general), specifying both brightness and color spectrum. With USCG regs it's either in appendix A or B (I forget exactly which) of some publication or other (helpful aren't I? ).

I'll dig details up if anyone is interested like I was/am.

[Seth Wood]

Hi Meerkat -- I'm very interested. if you have the COLREGS and/or USCG details available. I imagine they're available online somewhere too, so feel free to just point to a source instead.

Thanks!

[Seth Wood]

Hi Meerkat -- I'm very interested. if you have the COLREGS and/or USCG details available. I imagine they're available online somewhere too, so feel free to just point to a source instead.

Thanks!

[Seth Wood]

Hi Meerkat -- I'm very interested. if you have the COLREGS and/or USCG details available. I imagine they're available online somewhere too, so feel free to just point to a source instead.

Thanks!

[Nicholas Carey]

Originally posted by Seth Wood:
Hi Meerkat -- I'm very interested. if you have the COLREGS and/or USCG details available. I imagine they're available online somewhere too, so feel free to just point to a source instead.

FWIW, USCG regulations == COLREGS 72

33 USC 30incoporates 72 COLREGS by reference. 33 CFR 80-90 are the implementing regulations.

see the USCG Navigation Centre at http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm.

72 COLREGS is available

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• online (HTML) at http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm</font>
• Electronic copies of the USGPO printed manual are available online as [PDF and MS Word format] at http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/download.htm</font>
• From the USGPO Bookstore as stock number 050-012-00407- 2. USD 15 in the United States; USD 21 overseas.</font>
• From any marine chart dealer or decent yacht chandlery.
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[Nicholas Carey]

Originally posted by Seth Wood:
Hi Meerkat -- I'm very interested. if you have the COLREGS and/or USCG details available. I imagine they're available online somewhere too, so feel free to just point to a source instead.

FWIW, USCG regulations == COLREGS 72

33 USC 30incoporates 72 COLREGS by reference. 33 CFR 80-90 are the implementing regulations.

see the USCG Navigation Centre at http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm.

72 COLREGS is available

</font>

• online (HTML) at http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm</font>
• Electronic copies of the USGPO printed manual are available online as [PDF and MS Word format] at http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/download.htm</font>
• From the USGPO Bookstore as stock number 050-012-00407- 2. USD 15 in the United States; USD 21 overseas.</font>
• From any marine chart dealer or decent yacht chandlery.
  </font>

[Nicholas Carey]

Originally posted by Seth Wood:
Hi Meerkat -- I'm very interested. if you have the COLREGS and/or USCG details available. I imagine they're available online somewhere too, so feel free to just point to a source instead.

FWIW, USCG regulations == COLREGS 72

33 USC 30incoporates 72 COLREGS by reference. 33 CFR 80-90 are the implementing regulations.

see the USCG Navigation Centre at http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm.

72 COLREGS is available

</font>

• online (HTML) at http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/rotr_online.htm</font>
• Electronic copies of the USGPO printed manual are available online as [PDF and MS Word format] at http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/download.htm</font>
• From the USGPO Bookstore as stock number 050-012-00407- 2. USD 15 in the United States; USD 21 overseas.</font>
• From any marine chart dealer or decent yacht chandlery.
  </font>

[Nicholas Carey]

However, 72 COLREGS doesn't mention oil lamps in any way, shape or form. They specify a particular luminous intensity, ultimately expressed in terms of visibility in nautical miles for the the required lights (computed via a complicated formula). Colors (red/green/white/yellow) are defined as particular bounded regions of the CIE (Commission Internationale de l'Eclairage) color space.

Under the international rules, there was a 4-year exemption for pre-COLREGS vessels, allowing them to bring their lighting into compliance with the technical details of Annex I, and a permanent exemption for implementing the prescribed light spacing requirements. All providing of course, that the vessel was legal with the existing rules of the day. See Rule 38&mdash;Exemptions (International Rules) for details.

Under the inland rules, the situation is more complex: see Rule 38&mdash;Exemptions (Inland Rules) for details.

Whether an oil lamp can meet those requirements&hellip;

It all depends on the lamp, I suspect.

[Nicholas Carey]

However, 72 COLREGS doesn't mention oil lamps in any way, shape or form. They specify a particular luminous intensity, ultimately expressed in terms of visibility in nautical miles for the the required lights (computed via a complicated formula). Colors (red/green/white/yellow) are defined as particular bounded regions of the CIE (Commission Internationale de l'Eclairage) color space.

Under the international rules, there was a 4-year exemption for pre-COLREGS vessels, allowing them to bring their lighting into compliance with the technical details of Annex I, and a permanent exemption for implementing the prescribed light spacing requirements. All providing of course, that the vessel was legal with the existing rules of the day. See Rule 38&mdash;Exemptions (International Rules) for details.

Under the inland rules, the situation is more complex: see Rule 38&mdash;Exemptions (Inland Rules) for details.

Whether an oil lamp can meet those requirements&hellip;

It all depends on the lamp, I suspect.

[Nicholas Carey]

However, 72 COLREGS doesn't mention oil lamps in any way, shape or form. They specify a particular luminous intensity, ultimately expressed in terms of visibility in nautical miles for the the required lights (computed via a complicated formula). Colors (red/green/white/yellow) are defined as particular bounded regions of the CIE (Commission Internationale de l'Eclairage) color space.

Under the international rules, there was a 4-year exemption for pre-COLREGS vessels, allowing them to bring their lighting into compliance with the technical details of Annex I, and a permanent exemption for implementing the prescribed light spacing requirements. All providing of course, that the vessel was legal with the existing rules of the day. See Rule 38&mdash;Exemptions (International Rules) for details.

Under the inland rules, the situation is more complex: see Rule 38&mdash;Exemptions (Inland Rules) for details.

Whether an oil lamp can meet those requirements&hellip;

It all depends on the lamp, I suspect.

[Meerkat]

The following threads have discussed oil lamps on the forum:
http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/U...=4&t=000483&p=
http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/U...=4&t=001945&p=
http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/U...=4&t=000768&p=
http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/U...=4&t=001434&p=
http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/U...=1&t=004824&p=

I know that at one time I posted some long exerpts from both USCG regs and COLREGS on oil fired lamps. At one time, I though they had been made illegal and someone pointed to something that corrected me, so I went and did some research. If it was after I got this new computer, I save the info and I'll go and find it presently. If not, it's on the old computer and that one's not going to fire up again anytime soon, if ever. I do hope to salvage the hard drives out of it at some point.

[Meerkat]

The following threads have discussed oil lamps on the forum:
http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/U...=4&t=000483&p=
http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/U...=4&t=001945&p=
http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/U...=4&t=000768&p=
http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/U...=4&t=001434&p=
http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/U...=1&t=004824&p=

I know that at one time I posted some long exerpts from both USCG regs and COLREGS on oil fired lamps. At one time, I though they had been made illegal and someone pointed to something that corrected me, so I went and did some research. If it was after I got this new computer, I save the info and I'll go and find it presently. If not, it's on the old computer and that one's not going to fire up again anytime soon, if ever. I do hope to salvage the hard drives out of it at some point.

[Meerkat]

The following threads have discussed oil lamps on the forum:
http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/U...=4&t=000483&p=
http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/U...=4&t=001945&p=
http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/U...=4&t=000768&p=
http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/U...=4&t=001434&p=
http://media5.hypernet.com/cgi-bin/U...=1&t=004824&p=

I know that at one time I posted some long exerpts from both USCG regs and COLREGS on oil fired lamps. At one time, I though they had been made illegal and someone pointed to something that corrected me, so I went and did some research. If it was after I got this new computer, I save the info and I'll go and find it presently. If not, it's on the old computer and that one's not going to fire up again anytime soon, if ever. I do hope to salvage the hard drives out of it at some point.