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    Please forgive this post if it is redundant, but I remember reading a post where James thoroughly explained what Rowan is. I had the thread marked but lost most of my favorites when I recently restored my computer. I've done a quick search but felt this would be the best way of finding it. Sorry but thanks for any help. A simple link will do.

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    There's the plan, then there's what actually happens.

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    Another one of those plywood things.

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    She is first and foremost a wanton temptress, a jezebel who will break your heart just from trying to live up to the promise of her ethereal beauty. It's all worth it though, of course.

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    And how could more posts about Rowan ever be redundant, anyways? It's like dividing by the square root of negative one or something, purely an imaginary number.

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    Alternatively she is a plywood knock-off of a coastal craft whose lineage goes right back to the Vikings that has been over complicated by the addition of a centreboard and kick up rudder.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Over complicated ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Over complicated ?
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    A mainsheet traveler? Really ?
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    I thought Rowan was more an abstract pondering on the ambiguity of wooden boats, from the post-modernist perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    A mainsheet traveler? Really ?
    Yep, bronze. Nice isn't it
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    She's left me cold and hungry
    Exhausted, tired, sore
    Blisters on my rowing hands
    And weary to the core
    Sometimes I've been frightened
    A few times even bored
    Sunburned, windblown, aching back
    Yes, aches and pains galore
    And yet somehow when I return
    To reach again the shore
    There's naught but smiles upon my face
    And all I want is MORE

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    He's a poet
    but he don't know it
    hope he doesn't blow it

    Rowan is James' state of mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Yep, bronze. Nice isn't it
    Bronze Traveler??? Very Viking Mr knockoff!
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    Rowan is a tree aka mountain ash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steamboat View Post
    Bronze Traveler??? Very Viking Mr knockoff!
    Pure Shetland.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Pure Shetland.
    The traveler yes, the hull design, hmmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steamboat View Post
    The traveler yes, the hull design, hmmm.
    Whose?
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    Very nice, James!

    Put it to music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steamboat View Post
    Bronze Traveler??? Very Viking Mr knockoff!
    Bronze or galv steel ? and yes it looks very good indeed .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Whose?
    Shape looks a little like a Nores faering. But please correct me if the overall shape was not adapted from a faering?
    Last edited by Steamboat; 05-24-2015 at 05:56 PM.
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    Sooty Tern has more strakes than a Norwegian faering. She is like a short Ness yole from south Shetland.


    The Shetlands boats were derived from the Norwegian boats, but modified to suit their own needs.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    Sooty Tern has more strakes than a Norwegian faering. She is like a short Ness yole from south Shetland.


    The Shetlands boats were derived from the Norwegian boats, but modified to suit their own needs.
    So the boat that pic you posted is not an ST but another yole derivative, cause it don't look like a ST. Is it of sufficient size to be a 'yole'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steamboat View Post
    So the boat that pic you posted is not an ST but another yole derivative, cause it don't look like a ST. Is it of sufficient size to be a 'yole'?
    The boat I posted is a Shetland willy boat, she is shorter so can be worked single handed whereas yoles had four crew. She is from the same tradition but built to sail with hollow garboards, whilst the yole is primarily a rowing boat that could sail.
    This is her external form.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    The boat I posted is a Shetland willy boat, she is shorter so can be worked single handed whereas yoles had four crew. She is from the same tradition but built to sail with hollow garboards, whilst the yole is primarily a rowing boat that could sail.
    This is her external form.
    Thanks for the explanation. I am slowly getting a grip on the differences.
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    It is a big subject. There were two families of boats, both developed from boats imported from near Bergen. The Yoles, from Ness and the Fair isle were four man boats used for fishing for saith in the tide rip around the headlands, where they were rowed along the edge of the rip, whilst handlining.
    The other family came in four basic sizes. the smallest ella or willy boat like Peerie Maa was a crofters utility boat for fishing for the pot, and moving sheep between the grazing islands. They were about 18 foot long. Then came the fourern, a four oared boat used for fishing for bait. They were from 20 to 24 foot long. Then the haddock boats, and lastly the sixareen, a six oared boat that fished longlines anything up to 200 miles off, they could be up to 36 foot long. All of this family were of similar proportions, fuller formed than the yoles, with more or less hollow in the garboards. These boats were also raced, leading to the development of the Maid Class
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quite a video. The Maid looks to be very shallow in her fore foot compared to your willy, a ST or a Caledonia Yawl. Is that just a artifact of the video or real? I am slowly building a CY and want to understand the heritage of these boats better. My apologies to dalekidd for usurping his thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steamboat View Post
    Quite a video. The Maid looks to be very shallow in her fore foot compared to your willy, a ST or a Caledonia Yawl. Is that just a artifact of the video or real? I am slowly building a CY and want to understand the heritage of these boats better. My apologies to dalekidd for usurping his thread.
    The original Maid class were a lot like Peerie Maa, but they are a development class limited only by length so they now have a very shallow body with lots of keel.
    You could see the shape of the section from the capsize in the video. This will give you an idea of the profile that they now have.


    The blue boat looks like a yole
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Nick, do you have a similar rig as in the video, and what do you use for ballast, if anything?

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    I don't know if James reads Watercraft magazine.The latest issue has a profile of Iain Oughtred and he names his favourite from his design portfolio.I don't have it to hand at the moment and if memory servesit was some kind of Tern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredostli View Post
    Nick, do you have a similar rig as in the video, and what do you use for ballast, if anything?

    Fred
    Peerie Maa has a gunter main and no jib boom, the jib is tacked down to the stem. I think that when she was fitted with her rig, after some use without she was given a smaller rig than the racing boats. I do not use ballsat, never having found out how much is appropriate for her size. The Maid class are un-ballasted, the first Maid was built in the '50s when there was a shortage of lead, so was designed to be un-ballasted.
    This is the big racing rig.

    In 1968 a Flying Fifteen mast and main was tried out

    and the gunter was quickly abandoned.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    I think the question is "Who is Rowan?"

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    Maximum Woodworking Geekery, or MWG, is a standard we all strive for, well represented by Rowan.

    On a scale of one to ten, one being the lowest MWG, Rowan is right up there in the stratosphere...

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    Nick,
    I post #8, the picture shows no centerboard or daggerboard. I've also heard of sailing peapods with the same. Please explain how they go to windward without tremendous leeway.
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