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    Hi there, what would you mean about this canoe design? https://www.raysdreamboats.com/denali.asp It seems to be more tricky for building, the curved sides... Advantege - enough space to paddle along the gunvales. Disadvantage - it may splash in more than into other canoes? Thanks for your opinion. I am going to build a solo canoe, my first, bud quite skilled with various wooden projects like wooden car etc.

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    Advantege - enough space to paddle along the gunvales. Disadvantage - it may splash in more than into other canoes
    Actually, the tumblehome allows the canoe to lean over farther before water comes in. It effectively increases freeboard.( Height from waterline to sheer)

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    Most of the tumblehome on solo boats like this is to allow the paddler to keep the paddle closer to the keel line during a stroke for more efficiency. It's something that Gene Jensen started doing on his marathon racing hulls about 1978 and has become standard procedure for distance racers and some touring designs ever since. Seating is going to be either kneeling against a brace, or some sort of fairly high pedestal seat, not sitting on the floor. What you will find with most of these solo tripping canoes (if they're good designs) is that for the first time in your paddling life, you are not hindered by being by yourself in the boat - the way you invariably are when paddling a wider tandem canoe as a solo. They are drastically more efficient and seaworthy than the short little Wee Lassie types and can allow you to participate in group trips with tandem canoes without constantly finding yourself at a horsepower disadvantage or being overly blown around by cross-winds. Designs like this actually make a heck of a lot more sense for most solo paddlers than the short, fat, slow, sit on the bottom styles of singles that currently flood the market.

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    Chuck, they are definitely more than 9 1/2 feet long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ulav8r View Post
    Chuck, they are definitely more than 9 1/2 feet long.
    Thanks for every replies...
    I want to build approx 13ft long canoe, which I have wood for. Next question - what would be accurate beam? I think 29". I am quite used to kneeling in not too stable whitewater canoes. But since I have variety of short whitewater canoes, I do plan to have a fast one for lake or easy WW trips...

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    Do you know any other simmilar designs? I found just only the Soul-mate or Hlaf-moon from http://www.carryingplacecanoeworks.o...tml/strip.html



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    There's some good stuff here.
    http://www.songofthepaddle.co.uk/for...-is-Tumblehome

    Especially post 5 et seq
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    There are many videos here that show the building process for wood-strip canoes.
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wood+canoe

    Further commentary here:
    http://jimmar.hubpages.com/hub/Buldi...noe-The-Basics

    and here:
    http://www.pdxtex.com/canoe/canoe.htm

    and here:
    http://www.rosaryshop.com/resources.php/request/canoe

    Free plans here, though all longer than 13'.
    http://www.shop.northwestcanoe.com/Canoe-Plans_c86.htm

    Plans here, though not free:
    http://www.noahsmarine.com/items.asp?Cc=Canoe%2DKits
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    Yes, I know how to build it. (Still reading the book Canoecraft) But what the design? Tumblehome, of course... (Straight and high sides looks horrible) But there are at least three ways of tumblehome:
    "Classical", almost on every canoes, like prospector etc.

    Or tumblehone shape with sharp edges on sides, often seen on plastic made WW canoes


    Or large tumblehome done in interesting curves, like the Denali and simmilar others.


    I like the last type visually, but I am stil shinking, how stable, fast and dry it would be. Also what a beam measure, while 14 feet long?

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    Chobotnice,
    I think you'll find that the curvature of the tumblehome is not very difficult to strip. With a jig to hold strips on edge and a small block plane, it's no big deal to bevel the strip as needed (rolling bevel).
    I built the Northwest Passage Solo ( http://www.northwestcanoe.com/canoes.html ) that Mr. Peter Belenky also linked to. It's a very similar design to the canoe you posted and I'm quite happy with it. Cutting a narrow hull like this down to 13' would greatly limit your load carrying capacity and surely diminish your top speed.

    Good Luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by dscott View Post
    Chobotnice,
    I think you'll find that the curvature of the tumblehome is not very difficult to strip. With a jig to hold strips on edge and a small block plane, it's no big deal to bevel the strip as needed (rolling bevel).
    I built the Northwest Passage Solo ( http://www.northwestcanoe.com/canoes.html ) that Mr. Peter Belenky also linked to. It's a very similar design to the canoe you posted and I'm quite happy with it. Cutting a narrow hull like this down to 13' would greatly limit your load carrying capacity and surely diminish your top speed.

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    Thanks. I know, that 13 will be not so fast than 15, but i Look for smaller lightweight canoe to my canoe family. I also have Old Town - Charels river, not wooden, only royalex, but great canoe for tripping with children. And the shortest of my solo canoes is 11, but it is heavy composite nad for WW. So I look for A small lake canoe which would fit to my canoe family.

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    Hi Chobotnice ... take a look here and poke around the links a bit http://ashesstillwaterboats.com/the-greenhorn/ ... you'll find the boats pictured can be built to approx 30lbs with careful layup and minimal fixtures. If it's the length of your strips that is limiting you to 13', I think you'll find butt joints easy enough once you've done one or two. The payoff of going to a 15' boat is a much nicer boat to paddle.

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    My Northwest Passage Solo came in at a very manageable 35 pounds. Whichever route you take, have fun with your project...


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    Quote Originally Posted by dscott View Post
    My Northwest Passage Solo came in at a very manageable 35 pounds. Whichever route you take, have fun with your project...


    Sinc,
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    I just recieved plans for this boat. It seems accurate - tumblehome, rocker.... Hurry up to copyshop to print it 1:1...

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    A progress.... Thanks for all the guidance...










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    wow ... quick progress ... !
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    Sweet! Keep the pics comin'
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    Do you have any pictures of your wooden car?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lupussonic View Post
    Do you have any pictures of your wooden car?
    Here you have any pictures of that cars (I made two the same cars, but with a time delay...). It was Dodge RAM2500, approx 2002 year, scaled 2:3. It was for a Honk-kong company producing RC monstertruck models.













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    That's impressive! Thanks!
    This boat building stuff is just childs play really. I wouldn't get too involved if I were you.

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    Nice work, and very quickly done. How does it paddle?
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    Yesterday I finished my first big trip. 109km downstrem by the Sazava river, then from the junction 53km upstream by the Vltava (Moldau) river, particullary sailing... It does paddle well, fast, but hard to turn of course...

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