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Too SHORT? And he couldn't take the time to run to the "scientist's" version of "Home Depot" for a longer one? Guess he thought that tree might be "going somewhere"? Well... I'm sure glad we all know now just EXACTLY how old that tree was.
(... banging my head on the keyboard...)
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God, this makes me mad. Wouldn't you think it might have been more "interesting" to just WATCH the damn thing and see how much older it could get? (Probably too hard to find "grant money" for that!) I'm not against "using" old trees. Hell, my boat has a lot of old growth Port Orford in it that probably pre-dates this countries' founding. But, it wasn't "unique", it was put to TWO good uses after it was cut down and it smells SOOOOO good...
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God, this makes me mad. Wouldn't you think it might have been more "interesting" to just WATCH the damn thing and see how much older it could get? (Probably too hard to find "grant money" for that!) I'm not against "using" old trees. Hell, my boat has a lot of old growth Port Orford in it that probably pre-dates this countries' founding. But, it wasn't "unique", it was put to TWO good uses after it was cut down and it smells SOOOOO good...
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God, this makes me mad. Wouldn't you think it might have been more "interesting" to just WATCH the damn thing and see how much older it could get? (Probably too hard to find "grant money" for that!) I'm not against "using" old trees. Hell, my boat has a lot of old growth Port Orford in it that probably pre-dates this countries' founding. But, it wasn't "unique", it was put to TWO good uses after it was cut down and it smells SOOOOO good...
Well, there is the display in the casino....
Well, there is the display in the casino....
Well, there is the display in the casino....
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Seems to me there's only two acceptable things to do with old growth trees. Leave 'em alone or build a boat.
The teak used to build my boat is amazing stuff, nothing like the platation teak you see nowadays. I'm sure it was hauled down some Burmese mountain in the trunk of an elephant and probably sat around for 20 years before it was milled and then the lumber probably say around for another 10 years before it was turned into Patience. Given the matching grain, I think Patience was built from one tree. With any luck, that same tree was used to build a couple of other boats too.
I figure if I preserve her indefintely, then cutting down that tree won't have been in vain.
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Seems to me there's only two acceptable things to do with old growth trees. Leave 'em alone or build a boat.
The teak used to build my boat is amazing stuff, nothing like the platation teak you see nowadays. I'm sure it was hauled down some Burmese mountain in the trunk of an elephant and probably sat around for 20 years before it was milled and then the lumber probably say around for another 10 years before it was turned into Patience. Given the matching grain, I think Patience was built from one tree. With any luck, that same tree was used to build a couple of other boats too.
I figure if I preserve her indefintely, then cutting down that tree won't have been in vain.
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Seems to me there's only two acceptable things to do with old growth trees. Leave 'em alone or build a boat.
The teak used to build my boat is amazing stuff, nothing like the platation teak you see nowadays. I'm sure it was hauled down some Burmese mountain in the trunk of an elephant and probably sat around for 20 years before it was milled and then the lumber probably say around for another 10 years before it was turned into Patience. Given the matching grain, I think Patience was built from one tree. With any luck, that same tree was used to build a couple of other boats too.
I figure if I preserve her indefintely, then cutting down that tree won't have been in vain.
I'm not making a case for never cutting a resource tree, Scott. IMHO, if you've managed to survive over a thousand years, you ought to be left alone. You've earned it. Five or six thousand years and you ought to be given World Treasure protection. Bristle-cone pines are unlikely to provide a resource for building much of anything. Gnarly little things. Plantations would require no small patience. They said it grew , I think, nine inches in the first 70 yearsSustainable yield aplied to these trees seems meaningless. Their purpose, if indeed they need one, might be to impress us with a good example of patience. Our "use" of them ought to be limited to lifting a glass in toast to their continued health on a regular holiday perhaps.
I'm not making a case for never cutting a resource tree, Scott. IMHO, if you've managed to survive over a thousand years, you ought to be left alone. You've earned it. Five or six thousand years and you ought to be given World Treasure protection. Bristle-cone pines are unlikely to provide a resource for building much of anything. Gnarly little things. Plantations would require no small patience. They said it grew , I think, nine inches in the first 70 years
I'm not making a case for never cutting a resource tree, Scott. IMHO, if you've managed to survive over a thousand years, you ought to be left alone. You've earned it. Five or six thousand years and you ought to be given World Treasure protection. Bristle-cone pines are unlikely to provide a resource for building much of anything. Gnarly little things. Plantations would require no small patience. They said it grew , I think, nine inches in the first 70 years
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I have communed with the bristlecone pines of the White Mountains several times. They are indeed small and gnarly, but they bear very well the dignity and beauty of great age. The thought of some certifiable idiot cutting one down for any reason just raises my gorge. He should be hung by a tender part from a branch and left to dangle in the wind.
Resident curmudgeon
I have communed with the bristlecone pines of the White Mountains several times. They are indeed small and gnarly, but they bear very well the dignity and beauty of great age. The thought of some certifiable idiot cutting one down for any reason just raises my gorge. He should be hung by a tender part from a branch and left to dangle in the wind.
Resident curmudgeon
I have communed with the bristlecone pines of the White Mountains several times. They are indeed small and gnarly, but they bear very well the dignity and beauty of great age. The thought of some certifiable idiot cutting one down for any reason just raises my gorge. He should be hung by a tender part from a branch and left to dangle in the wind.
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