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    Default Thames sailing barge lines and offsets?

    I've become interested in the Thames sailing barges lately as I live near thin water and am looking for a sailcraft better suited than my full-keel cutter.

    Can anyone name a good resource for lines and offsets?

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    Edgar J March,
    Spritsail barges...

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...condition=used

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    This is in steel, but a nice design Juno

    There are lines plans of 80 footers here: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Th...M&ved=0CCAQsAQ
    But they were mostly built from half models so few lines survive.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    There is a John Leather book, Barges, a good read.


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    Uffa Fox recorded the lines of GIRALDA in his "Second Book." They are included in "The Best of Uffa," which might be more accessible.

    Here are links to a UK barge site -

    General - http://www.thamesbarge.org.uk/

    Plans (General) - http://www.thamesbarge.org.uk/barges/models/plans.html

    Plans (example) http://www.thamesbarge.org.uk/barges...s/ejmarch.html

    A couple of discussions elsewhere with similar thoughts -

    http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boa...rge-39451.html

    http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/archive/t-32539.html

    I always wondered how well GIRALDA's shape would perform scaled down as a dinghy, but I gather you're thinking of a much bigger application.

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    The late Phil Bolger designed a number of yachts inspired by the Thames barges.

    Manatee (33'), Swedish Cruiser (12 m), Bird of Dawning (12m) are in the book _Different Boats_.

    Titania (50') and Tonweya (50') are in _30-Odd Boats_. Moccasin (37') is in _The Folding Schooner_.

    Barn Owl (15 m) is in _Boats with an Open Mind_.

    These are all cruising designs with barge type hull lines, but not barge copies.
    Last edited by dredbob; 11-22-2014 at 07:48 PM.

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    Thanks All,

    I believe I'll start with the books to familiarize myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianM View Post
    Thanks All,

    I believe I'll start with the books to familiarize myself.
    I prefer this to E J March http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sailing-Barg.../dp/0861380606
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Copied from the other thread
    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Default Re: Thames sailing barge lines and offsets?

    You might find some info off these guys, http://www.ironwharf.co.uk/index.html# , they usually have a couple of them at their yard.
    A great place to have a mooch about, some lovely old boats there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    They are round chine designs though
    Maybe you can look and the "Hoogaars" that is a hard chine design.
    https://www.google.nl/search?q=hooga...ed=0CAgQ_AUoAQ
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    I had the pleasure of a weekend charter on the 85' barge 'Repertor' a few years ago. I think it is probably the most sophisticated and refined machine that I have ever experienced. There are so many great touches - the mizzen sheeted to the rudder, the leeboards that the helm can drop with the flick of a pawl, the self-tacking jib, the standing main etc. etc. The barge was sailed all weekend by a wonderfully skilled young couple who let me help out but didn't really need me.

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    Allegedly, Thames Spritsail Barges were sailed by a man, a boy & a dog.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_sailing_barge

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooks_Yard

    Sailing to win.

    http://www.thamesmatch.co.uk/

    Something I had not noticed before; a topsail gaff.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-Canthusus.jpg

    Cruising in 2015.

    http://www.repertor.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    Allegedly, Thames Spritsail Barges were sailed by a man, a boy & a dog. .]
    The old man did a couple of trips as 'the boy' on a Thames barge, pre WW11, and it was so. Didn't mention a dog. But I wish I had asked him more about that era.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    Allegedly, Thames Spritsail Barges were sailed by a man, a boy & a dog.
    From the looks of the photo at the following link, it was a very talented group!

    http://www.classicboat.co.uk/wp-cont...2014/01/11.jpg

    Of course, they're still sandbagging in the photo, not yet having deployed the watersails...

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    There is the sailing Barge "Metta Catharina" from Wooden Boat Designs by Christian Nielsen, ISBN 0-684-16432-9

    Not exactly a Thames Barge but close?

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    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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