Gartside 170

[bheys]

Most of the cabin construction is done. My try square has been parked while the bevel gauge and protractor have gotten a workout. I'm thinking that some quick stud framing would be very rewarding about now. The plans are fairly complete; never the less, there has been a good bit of conjecture (no doubt related to my experience level) even as I tried to stay true to the plans.

The plans call for 2 layers of veneers, 3/8" and 1/4". However, I wanted to utilize what was left from molding the hull so I did 3 layers, 2 - 1/4" layers fore and aft separated by a diagonal 5/32".

[andrewpatrol]

You're making great progress Bruce. Can I ask you to explain your electrical system please, like how many batteries , what items you're going to run, also do you have wiring up the mast and how have you run it in/out etc???

Thanks

[bheys]

The rough sanding is mostly done. We have some cold weather in the forecast so glassing will have to wait.






I strongly considered painting the exterior of the cabin as I can't trust that I would be dutiful in maintaining varnish. Picked up a can of Cetol Teak to see how it would look. Have to say that varnish is probably superior aesthetically. Perhaps the Cetol will hold up better. I think it is a river of no return, whatever coating I use.

[andrewpatrol]

Bruce , I got caught between your posts - can you see my question at #107

thanks

[bheys]

Andrew - this boat will have a rudimentary electrical system. Just one battery (no engine to start). All the lighting is LED (a dome light in the cabin, 2 reading lamps, and nav. lights). In addition, I will run wire to a bilge pump, compass, chartplotter/sounder, 2 accessory outlets and a tiller pilot. I am not going to run wire in the mast. Rather, I plan to haul this battery powered light mounted on a stick such that it rises above the top of the mast.

[bheys]

In WB #220 there is an article on making hand rails by Eric Blake. Following his instructions were very straight forward. There's still some hand sanding remaining. The rails will be mounted from below with 1/4" bolts. All the bolts will avoid going through the beams. The roof will be strengthened under the bolts with good sized G11 washers.



The rails, the toe kick, rub rail and coaming cap are all Khaya. In my experience, it isn't the most limber species in the world. Gartside specs fairly substantial dimensions for the toe kick and rub rail, so it took some considerable wrestling to get these bits in place. For grins I tried steaming the shorter toe kick that transitions from the upper to lower deck. That section was the most severe curvature. I knew it was unlikely to help - it actually prove somewhat useful, but I didn't steam elsewhere.


You'll notice the roof and the sliding hatch are glassed. The hatch is where my next efforts will be focused.

[bheys]

The transition joints for the rub rail and the aft cockpit coaming are half laps reinforced with bronze screws.

[andrewpatrol]

Beautiful work on the rails Bruce. Your cabin top looks like a chop top from the fifties, long bonnet and all. Nice.

how will you hold windows in?

[bheys]

Thanks Andrew. Prior to routing the window rabbets I discussed mounting with a local glass shop we've dealt with over the years. They're no longer recommending caulking-type sealants. Instead, they utilize a tape that is quite thin. There will be a wood stop to hold it all in place. In fact the general topic of sealants is something I've been pondering. "Practical Sailor" has been evaluating various products over the years. In places where an adhesive sealant is desired they give a favorable response to a couple of non-marine products including Locktite PL40. Apparently, it is functionally quite similar to 3M 4200 and Sikaflex 291. For non-adhesive sealants they are favorable to butyl tape as well as Sudbury 300. Perhaps there is room to consider non-marine sealants much like non-marine paints are worth looking at for some applications. I purchased the Sudbury product for the winches and the hatch. All the other hardware will be bedded with the Locktite.

[bheys]

This is my first experience with Cetol. I chose this product because it is alleged to be a long lasting coating given a reasonable upkeep. No doubt, the same can be said for varnish. Time will tell. The application prep is a bit lengthy - wipedown with their 216 thinner; a 220g sanding; and a final wipedown with 216 (two rag method). Sheesh! Unlike varnish, the instructions are very clear to not thin. Three coats of the "Natural Teak" went on using a good natural bristle brush. It leveled well, soaked into endgrain easily and both holidays and drips seemed easier to avoid and manage compared to varnish. Dry to touch was around 6 hours. My shop temp. was about 65 f. in moderate humidity. There is not a need to sand between coats. Build up is fast. As to the claims that Cetol is a more muddy, translucent finish; that is kind of true. But, from my perspective this trait is minor. I contacted an Interlux rep. regarding covering areas previously covered with epoxy. He recommended against it and so for those limited areas I used regular spar varnish. With a side by side comparison I find both clarity and coloration to be pretty darn similar. For all the exterior bits I used two coats of Cetol Gloss over the Natural Teak. Again, no thinning and no sanding between coats. If film thickness is an indicator of longevity, then I expect to get good results. There are several areas where I have some brush marks and dust nibs that I'd like to sand off. So I'll wait until the painting is done and go back for some area touch up with more gloss - or not.

[andrewpatrol]

Wow looks stunning Bruce. That last photo looks especially good. What happens in th cockpit now, is the foot well closed in?

[bheys]

The foot well is pretty much done. It's made up of cedar slats. The central 6 slats are removable using toggles.

[Max F]

Wow, that is a beautiful boat!

[SBrookman]

Another WOW! What a great build. I will be starting a Gartside build later this year and will be returning to this thread many times.

[EeBe4]

Another WOW! What a great build. I will be starting a Gartside build later this year and will be returning to this thread many times.

Interesting Steve. What boat? I've begun his #166 Centerboard Lugger.

Bruce,
Looking fantastic! Much to learn and use from here-
Eddie

[SBrookman]

Sjogin III. But it's really III(a), as it will be stretched 2"/frame, add the Sjogin II cabin, and bilge keels instead of a CB. That's the plan. I hope I can get her close to the level of Bruce's work here, that will be a challenge.

[bheys]

The deck and trim still have some touch up remaining. For the most part, I'm ready to move on to painting the hull topsides. There sure seems to be a lot of surface area to coat on this small boat. I've been using System 3 water based LPU for both primer and topcoat. It's been easy to use. It goes on thin, dries fast and needs no sanding between coats if the painting interval is less than 24 hours. This product is supposed to be fussy regarding the need for relatively high humidity. I flooded the shop floor with the garden hose prior to each coat. There are 3 coats of primer and 3 coats of top coat.



I used a non-skid product called Soft Sand. Like so many aspects of this build, if I had to do it again the end result would be more professional. There are a few areas that received less grit than intended. No worries functionally. All the taping for the areas not receiving grit has to be removed before the paint starts to set.



I have an HVLP gun but chose not to use it mostly because this paint doesn't like the turbine's hot air. The roll and tip left some marks, that will have to be labeled sufficient. Boy howdy this paint is hard. There's not going to be any sanding. It is probably accurate to call this top coat a semi gloss.

[bheys]

Gartside drew the hatch slide in an arc following the cabin top. I cheated and made the slide and the hatch sides straight. It seemed more appropriate to my skill and patience level.





The hatch is not bedded or fastened. I bought it prior to starting the deck beams and made a template. Of course I was a tiny bit nervous as I began to set it in place, but it went down with a little shove seated nicely. The stops for the windows are in the forground.

[andrewpatrol]

Bruce , there's no need to get out the spray gun, finish looks stunning. You should be very proud

[PeterSibley]

What Andrew said, a beautiful job !

[trango]

Beautiful!

/Fredrik

[alemon]

wonderful!

[Rich Jones]

I like it! Very, very nice.

[bheys]

Thanks guys for the comments. I have a close friend who has made his living building furniture. Despite his advancing years he still can churn out pieces with speed, precision and accuracy. He has long made the claim that a primary difference between skilled and less skilled builders is the willingness and skills to fix the inevitable flaws. The willingness part is pretty easy at the beginning of a task, but after there's considerable amount of "value-added", that flexibility for a fix or redo comes into question. I contacted a factory rep for the System 3 paint to see if I could somehow add paint and grit to the areas that received less grit than desired. The rep says that a patch would be quite noticeable and to do it right I would have to recoat the entire deck. Even though I think I have enough paint and grit - no way. I'll compromise and live with it. If memory serves, there was a thread here a number of years ago describing a gradation of finish quality in terms of the distance one had to stand away from the boat for it to appear flawless. Some of you pull off 1-3' coatings, others seem to be satisfied with a work boat finish that is attractive at 20'. I'll aim for somewhere between and look forward to the dings, scratches and patina that shows she is much enjoyed.

In post #122 you'll see the base for the very large tabernacle drawn for the 170. That tabernacle is nearly 2' tall. I had assumed that the top of the base was parallel to the waterlines. Not so - it's off level by about a degree. The mast is 27' tall so it makes sense that to get the correct mast tilt, this base had to be built just as drawn. It took more hours of fitting than I should admit even though it looks dead-simple. This task was sure a reminder how important it is to accurately transfer the lofted waterline from the station molds to the outside of the hull such that once flipped the boat can be accurately leveled. Perhaps I can finally claim that I no longer care if this boat sits level and can move it further way from the shop wall to facilitate hull painting.