Unneeded confontation

[RedBoatFl]

Why are some members so confrontational and hateful on this forum?
I hope that in person they would be more civil.
The anonimity must give some folks courage.

The broad brush attacks on the integrity and intelligence
of conservatives or southerners is irritating.

Am i wrong?

[S.V. Airlie]

Better get used to it as you have apparently jumped head first into the bilge

[sdowney717]

One would hope they are.... but the internet seems to turn some folks into heroes in their own mind.

It occurs on the other forums of this site as well, dont you think so Bigfella?

[Breakaway]

One can't help but notice the liberal-conservative clashes. But where are these " southern bashing" threads? Do you have an example? I have been hanging here for a while now and honestly can't ever recall one.

Kevin

[Boston]

I can't help but notice that the minority view here is far from politely tolerated. Kinda leads that minority to spend a little extra time in study and make sure that minority view is the informed view rather than just the popular one. Sometimes the popular view is merely based on media and PR hype rather than a rational investigation.

[S.V. Airlie]

BUT,,,BUT, But, the liberals are sooo bloody tolerant!

[skuthorp]

This decades minority view is next decades majority. It goes around regularly as long as neither end of the spectrum goes out on a limb. I was going to say it's not life or death, but I suppose for 4000+ military plus injuries and psych problems, it was and is.

[S.V. Airlie]

This decades minority view is next decades majority. It goes around regularly as long as neither end of the spectrum goes out on a limb. I was going to say it's not life or death, but I suppose for 4000+ military plus injuries and psych problems, it was and is.

It might not b a decad! How about the first Tues in Nov.? Of course, the bilge might change every one hundred years or so.

[StevenBauer]

Attacks on Southerers? When, where? I must have missed it.




Steven

[hokiefan]

One can't help but notice the liberal-conservative clashes. But where are these " southern bashing" threads? Do you have an example? I have been hanging here for a while now and honestly can't ever recall one.

Kevin

I don't recall southern bashing "threads" per se. But there is no doubt a fair amount of southern bashing, especially from a short list of forumites.

Cheers,

Bobby

[David G]

Well... I'd say the OP is correct. At least partially. http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...-starting-soon

[seanz]

You leave us Southerners alone, dang it!

[Duncan Gibbs]

This thread's heading south!

[George Jung]

Haven't seen 'Red' around here before.... 10 posts since 2011? Hmmm.....

[Gerarddm]

Yes, well, ripostes to regressive BS is always in order.

[LeeG]

You leave us Southerners alone, dang it!

Very few are more southern than you!

[Dave Hadfield]

What? Nearly all of you ARE southerners!

Dave, from North of Toronto

[Flying Orca]

What? Nearly all of you ARE southerners!

Dave, from North of Toronto

I think Braam and Oyvind win, though.

[Osborne Russell]

The broad brush attacks on the integrity and intelligence
of conservatives or southerners is irritating.

Am i wrong?

Yes. The attacks are on the foundations of their world view. If they respond with integrity and intelligence, it is recognized. If they retreat into petulance and irrationality, it's taken as proof that they lack integrity and intelligence. Why would you have them and not use them?

[Sky Blue]

These denials of "Southern bashing" ring hollow.

Routinely Keith and several others refer in substance to the Republican Party and its adherents as the party of "angry old Southern white men" or other such nonsense. There are frequent attempts to tie the Republican Party to Southern white racism as a historical matter, when the converse is in fact true. There was just over the last few days a secession thread regarding the South, rife with Southern bashing, and on and on and on.

I am not from the South and so I don't much care, but these denials miss the mark. There is plenty of Southern bashing here as a factual matter.

It is time for the South to stop being the sole repository of this nation's racial guilt.

[George Jung]

Nice pot-stir, 'Sky'.... good effort, but transparent. That's a stinker!

[Flying Orca]

I wanna know what "confontation" is. Izzat when you get Arial mixed up with Verdana?

[Breakaway]

Routinely Keith and several others refer in substance to the Republican Party and its adherents as the party of "angry old Southern white men" or other such nonsense. There are frequent attempts to tie the Republican Party to Southern white racism as a historical matter, when the converse is in fact true. There was just over the last few days a secession thread regarding the South, rife with Southern bashing, and on and on and on.

I honestly cannot remember any of this. I will have to go and look now to make sure. I do recall one thread, maybe a year ago, about slavery and that one had some some "anti-southern" --or maybe its was anti-Confederacy- comments. That's the only thread I remember that could even be vaguely considered to be "bashing."

Kevin

[Lew Barrett]

These denials of "Southern bashing" ring hollow.

Routinely Keith and several others refer in substance to the Republican Party and its adherents as the party of "angry old Southern white men" or other such nonsense. There are frequent attempts to tie the Republican Party to Southern white racism as a historical matter, when the converse is in fact true. There was just over the last few days a secession thread regarding the South, rife with Southern bashing, and on and on and on.

I am not from the South and so I don't much care, but these denials miss the mark. There is plenty of Southern bashing here as a factual matter.

It is time for the South to stop being the sole repository of this nation's racial guilt.

I have residences in both the north(west) and the south. There is a difference. Characterizing those differences can be complicated, but if you're willing to deal in generalities and ignore the trap of allowing those generalities act as if they are blanket rules without exceptions, there are some things you can say
that suggest the differences. I'd make a list but risk being misunderstood by people looking to pick fights.

[Keith Wilson]

I do indeed refer to the Republican party sometimes as 'the party of angry old southern white evangelical Christian men'. This is partly sarcasm; obviously not everyone who votes Republican fits in those categories. However, it's only partly sarcasm, and contains a certain amount of truth (some data here). Women tend to favor Democrats by a considerable margin outside the south. Anyone who isn't white will most likely vote Democratic, and the margins have been increasing. Those identifying as Evangelical Christian vote overwhelming Republican. Old people vote Republican, young people heavily Democratic. The phrase is designed to highlight the Republicans' demographic problem, which is very real.

Consider this map; it's from the '08 election, but the '12 election results were similar.



And I am getting heartily sick of the "Ma, he called me a racist!' whining. AFAIK I have never called anyone here a racist. I have said many times that the old-time racism is mostly dead, that the situation today is much more complex, and the models of the 1950s no longer fit. Everyone with even a cursory knowledge of American political history knows that the Republicans started as the abolitionist party, that the Radical Republicans attempted to impose something like racial equality on the South after the civil war, and the Democrats were the party of of segregation and southern racism from the 1860s until the 1950s at least. After that point, voting patterns in the south switched as the parties sorted themselves along ideological lines, and southern conservatives are now overwhelmingly Republican.

I do think that many of the ideas current among the more extreme conservatives have roots in the old south, and particularly the period of Reconstruction and 'Redemption' - when the old order, minus slavery, was reimposed by violence after the withdrawal of federal troops. But the old-style racism is indeed mostly dead, or at least much diminished, and what's left of it is most certainly not confined to the south, nor was it ever. I can find far, far more accurate reasons to criticize modern conservatives..

[Bubba L.]

These denials of "Southern bashing" ring hollow.

Routinely Keith and several others refer in substance to the Republican Party and its adherents as the party of "angry old Southern white men" or other such nonsense. There are frequent attempts to tie the Republican Party to Southern white racism as a historical matter, when the converse is in fact true. There was just over the last few days a secession thread regarding the South, rife with Southern bashing, and on and on and on.

I am not from the South and so I don't much care, but these denials miss the mark. There is plenty of Southern bashing here as a factual matter.

It is time for the South to stop being the sole repository of this nation's racial guilt.

Actually the tea baggers are trying to tie the Republican party to racism. The liberals are just pointing it out. As for bashing conservatives (truthfully it's right wing-nuts, conservatives are much more centrist) and southerners, well only when they do something stupid. Should we let foolishness exist without ridiculing it? It would only encourage more.

Gene

[Hwyl]

The guilty parties were quick to jump on this thread, nicely trolled sir

[RonW]

Keith Wilson admits -

I do indeed refer to the Republican party sometimes as 'the party of angry old southern white evangelical Christian men'.

Yes, but keith the south has been democrats till lately........oh you forgot didn't you......

[Bubba L.]

Keith Wilson admits -

Yes, but keith the south has been democrats till lately........oh you forgot didn't you......

But Ron the democrats and republicans switched roles in the 50s/60s...... oh you forgot didn't you.....of course you could have learned this if you had carefully and critically read Keith's post.

Gene

[RonW]

Lately? 80 years ago?
Can't you get Anything correct?

But Ron the democrats and republicans switched roles in the 50s/60s...... oh you forgot didn't you.....of bourse you could have learned this if you had carefully and critically read Keith's post.

Gene

So you guys are telling me that during the days of slavery and the KKK it was actually democrats who did this ?

[Rich Jones]

It occurs on the other forums of this site as well, dont you think so Bigfella?

Confrontation in the Bilge is normal. I read it for mild entertainment. Sad when some folks go so far as to get banned. However, I really resent confrontation above decks. This is where everyone concerned must remain civil.

[johnw]

These denials of "Southern bashing" ring hollow.

Routinely Keith and several others refer in substance to the Republican Party and its adherents as the party of "angry old Southern white men" or other such nonsense. There are frequent attempts to tie the Republican Party to Southern white racism as a historical matter, when the converse is in fact true. There was just over the last few days a secession thread regarding the South, rife with Southern bashing, and on and on and on.

I am not from the South and so I don't much care, but these denials miss the mark. There is plenty of Southern bashing here as a factual matter.

It is time for the South to stop being the sole repository of this nation's racial guilt.

Via Sensory Overload, here are a couple of maps:

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And here's a map showing which states Lincoln carried in 1860:

I am constantly amazed at how slowly culture can change. The second and third maps show how completely the parties have changed places, the first and second show the extent to which the states and territories where slavery was legal match up with current Republican voting patterns.

As you can see, most of the states that voted for Lincoln in 1860 didn't vote Republican in 2008. If you wish to continue to argue that the Republican Party is the Party of Lincoln, rather than the Party of Trent Lott, you need to reverse recent voting patterns.

Now, that doesn't excuse people from saying bad things about southerners, but it does explain why someone would link Republicans with the South.

[RonW]

Confrontation in the Bilge is normal. I read it for mild entertainment. Sad when some folks go so far as to get banned. However, I really resent confrontation above decks. This is where everyone concerned must remain civil.

..."so far as to get banned"...

You might be surprised how little it takes to get banned here.

Must be a big fight above deck over PL glue......that has been going on for 10 years.....

[johnw]

Keith Wilson admits -

Yes, but keith the south has been democrats till lately........oh you forgot didn't you......

The change started after the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act pass in 1964 and 1965, and became very evident when Nixon used his Southern strategy in 1968. Most people living in this country were born after that.

[TomF]

who says the confrontation's unneeded?