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    oh geeze I edited my post ,709,above with a comma . I am in favor of a feather edge , no hooks ,nibs or complications .
    Jim , Strain on a bermudian rig is mostly just compression , until a shroud pops .
    All your tests so far look good to me , to be safe for your boat. ( cept of course using 410 )
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    Hey , I just bought a book on yacht racing tactics yesterday.
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    -Jim

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    Wait, someone's plugging the hole up already? I thought we were going to break more stuff

    just kidding.

    lets get er done!
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    Jim, I've experienced western red cedar's softness and brittleness. How does Alaskan yellow compare, f'instance I see you're clamping it without pads on your boat there, I wouldn't dare that with WRC. I'm just researching for a maybe future build. The plans call for the hull and decks out of WRC but I'm a bit wary, perhaps I could use AYC for final veneer? It's a strip planked/cold moulded layup

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    Quote Originally Posted by shade of knucklehead View Post
    Wait, someone's plugging the hole up already? I thought we were going to break more stuff

    just kidding.

    lets get er done!
    What can I say, not only am I a curious soul I'm also an inpatient one.

    Quote Originally Posted by andrewpatrol View Post
    Jim, I've experienced western red cedar's softness and brittleness. How does Alaskan yellow compare, f'instance I see you're clamping it without pads on your boat there, I wouldn't dare that with WRC. I'm just researching for a maybe future build. The plans call for the hull and decks out of WRC but I'm a bit wary, perhaps I could use AYC for final veneer? It's a strip planked/cold moulded layup
    I really like working with AYC. The stuff I have worked with is dense and hard for a soft wood and glues up well. It is much stronger than WRC, being much closer to Doug Fir without being splintery like Fir is. From what I've seen, it is a slow growing wood with very fine grain and not a great difference between late and early wood, which also makes it a great carving wood.



    Even cut at 45 the grain is so tight on the yellow cedar you almost can't count it.
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    So would that be about the same weight as doug fir. Is it more ding resistant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewpatrol View Post
    Jim, I've experienced western red cedar's softness and brittleness. How does Alaskan yellow compare, f'instance I see you're clamping it without pads on your boat there, I wouldn't dare that with WRC. I'm just researching for a maybe future build. The plans call for the hull and decks out of WRC but I'm a bit wary, perhaps I could use AYC for final veneer? It's a strip planked/cold moulded layup
    AYC is not a cedar - it's actually a Cypress - so it is very different from WRC. A big advantage of AYC & Port Orford Cedar (which is also really a cypress) is that they are very moisture resistant. They are also substantially stronger than WRC.
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    Twenty plus ring to the inch edge grain cedar is not to be discounted. Proof is in your hands, and mine for that matter.
    Will you glue up that scarf prior to or during the hanging of the new plank section? / Jim

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    I just tried to see if that AYC was available here, doesn't look it. we have a few Tasmanian timbers that'd fit the bill but they're like gold and cost even more.

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    It was the red cedar, John, most likely. I'm sensitized to that now, after wallowing in the fine dust for years. / Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    My only experience with AYC was to build a display cabinet out of it for a real custom job in Georgia.

    It was a log house made in a huge warehouse in British Columbia, then disassembled and trucked to Monroe, GA.

    The general contractor had them include several logs of AYC and WRC, and few others I don't recall, and had them sawed into lumber there on site.

    My shop was in the basement of my home at the time, and before I realized that I was sensitive to the stuff the whole house was filled with the allergen.

    That was a trying couple of weeks, before I finally got the house aired out.

    Another carpenter who worked on that house had to be rushed to the hospital within minutes of starting to sand a piece of it, and he is very fortunate that he was not working alone that day. He'd never had any sort of allergic reaction to wood, before, but his throat swelled shut, just the same.

    Was as that the WRC he had the reaction to?

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    Yeah, WRC gets me, but not AWC.
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    HardHard to say John, I've never had any issues with it but I'm pretty sure Yeadon mentioned having a strong reaction to it that was similar to yours.
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    That has been my experience, over 35 years. Red cedar seems to have a cumulative effect, for me and others of my acquaintance. Symptoms may vary, congestion is my issue. I have no problems yet with yellow cedar. / Jim

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    On the boat front, I decided to fill the screw holes in the old frames. A five ml siringe worked pretty well for making sure they got filled.



    And a little plank edge tuning.

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    Red cedar dust causes asthmatic type reactions in a lot of woodworkers who have become sensitized over the years. I have to be very careful about breathing even the slightest hint of red cedar dust or my chest gets tight and I have difficulty breathing. Some of the softer, lighter mahoganies will prompt the same reaction. Trade hazard. never heard of anyone having a similar reaction to white cedar.
    Dust control was unheard of when I started in the business but is now a big part of everyones operating budget. Good masks, air exchange fans and filters and a dust port at every single stationary machine is now the industry standard.

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    Oh, great. Now you've done it...
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    No worries John, you didn't break the thread. Just been having fun screwing up a plank. Not really photogenic though. That and we're on the plane, headed to Seattle for a week so the little guy can have hand surgery. I'll fill in the details on my screwed up plank later.

    Jim
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    Good luck for your little one Jim. Hope he doesn't have too much pain

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewpatrol View Post
    Good luck for your little one Jim. Hope he doesn't have too much pain
    Yes indeed!
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    ^ me too.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    All the best mate, hope it goes ok.

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    Same here.
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    same here!

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    And from me, too. Hope all goes well.
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    I just started reading this Jim. This has been an amazing series. Keep it going!

    Have Fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by John B View Post
    same here!
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    Thanks for the well wishes everyone. Surgery went well, so our regularly scheduled broadcasting should be able to resume soon. In the mean time, here is a little something to contemplate.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jsjpd1 View Post
    Thanks for the well wishes everyone. Surgery went well, so our regularly scheduled broadcasting should be able to resume soon. In the mean time, here is a little something to contemplate.



    Jim

    She'll take right up, no worries!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsjpd1 View Post
    Thanks for the well wishes everyone. Surgery went well, so our regularly scheduled broadcasting should be able to resume soon. In the mean time, here is a little something to contemplate.



    Jim
    Camera Angle?

    Pleased to hear the good news.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Alas, not camera angle and too much sweep to trim it or force it. The next one is better!
    -Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    So, it looks as though you are missing a wedge-shaped piece at the bottom?

    Will you epoxy a patch onto that edge?

    John
    Now that you mentioned it, that would have been a good solution John. But it never even crossed my mind. Instead I went straight to, ''I'd better cut a new plank."
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    My dad's friend used to own our boat a couple owners back and he found a couple of pictures in his garage from when the boat was new.





    it was very nice of him to pass them on. One interesting thing that stands out is that originally the cabin windows were all round port holes, so the square windows were added later.
    -Jim

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    How cool is that? Great find! I like the name "Emalu" - any idea what it means?
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