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    Quote Originally Posted by jsjpd1 View Post

    whew.

    A word that will be uttered a hundred times during any large project, boat related or not.

    Looking good.
    There's the plan, then there's what actually happens.

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    Nice work. Well done!

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    You are doing stellar work JS. Herculean.
    Enjoying the progress, keep it coming!

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    Were she not such a fine example of a well designed North West Power Boat I would have said that, repair would be a fool's errand. But here, for doing such a lovely job you are to be saluted! Bravo for doing a proper rebuild! I tip my hat to you as well.
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    Thanks guys! Jay,someone has got to be fool enough to save these cool old boats, it might as well be me.

    The new knee is ready for the boat, which means the time has come to cast loose the stem. Good times.



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    Jim, are you replacing the stem as well? Looks to be in a couple of pieces.
    i went on a trip up the inside passage on the David B during May ( google it ) amazing amount of work they did on that boat.
    woops ... Went back and answered my own question about the stem, carry on that good work

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    The David B is a nice old boat. We see it here in Juneau from time to time. Yes, I'm afraid the stem is getting replaced too, Andrew. It has been cobbled together too many times and with the rot I found it will be better to replace it while I've got this section apart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsjpd1 View Post
    While pondering this and debating whether or not this piece is still useful as more than just a pattern, I put a bit of schelac on the keel.

    Bug Spit, it's good stuff.



    Jim
    Jim,

    I'm following this with keen interest. Can you please explain the thinking behind the sealer? I understand that there was dry rot present? If so, is there anything to be done other than scrape it back and seal it to prevent fresh water getting to the wood again?

    I presume that you're merely sealing it up, not French polishing it, of course.

    Lovely boat, btw, really lovely.

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    It has been a really dry and warm summer for us so far John. The thought behind the shellac is really just to seal the keel there to prevent it for drying out too much and checking. There is an issue there that will be addressed once the stem is out of the way, but my intent is to keep the keel intact. I've also been using shellac on the new knee to lock in the moisture content and keep things from moving too much.

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    Thanks Jim, so what is your approach to the dry rot?

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    Honestly it will depend on what I find when the stem is out. My first inclination on hard to reach structural pieces is to replace them while the access is good because I don't want to have to have to open the boat up this far again in a few years. That being said, if the area affected is small then cutting it out and putting in a Dutchman might be appropriate. The stem saw fresh water intrusion behind a prior repair and is rotten clean through there. The knee and filler block behind it had separated along the grain to the point of failure but were otherwise sound. I was joking earlier about gluing them back together with through bolts and epoxy but I bet that temporary repair would have lasted a long time, had I gone that way.

    With the keel, all the wood that I can poke with an awl appears sound, the line that Andrew pointed out earlier is not a repair but rather a check that has opened up a little. The thing that concerns me is that I can see some sort of filler in the end grain of the keel where it meets the stem. This filler is loose but there is not enough room to work it out and what is hiding behind there is an unknown. Which is kind of a long winded way to get to my take on rot. Replace when practical, otherwise cut it out and seal it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsjpd1 View Post
    The thing that concerns me is that I can see some sort of filler in the end grain of the keel where it meets the stem. This filler is loose but there is not enough room to work it out and what is hiding behind there is an unknown. Which is kind of a long winded way to get to my take on rot. Replace when practical, otherwise cut it out and seal it up.

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    Has the stem ever been taken out? I suspect not, in which case that filler was either put in as bedding by the builders, or was trowelled in to fill a drying gap. In neither case doers that mean that rot was present when it was put there.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    I'm sure you're right about it never being apart before Nick.

    It's funny how much you can get done with a half hour here and an hour there.

    Breast hook removed, check.





    Fasteners removed or cut (there were lots of spinners) on the starboard side, check.





    Repeat process on port side and apply a little pressure from the inside, check.



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    I wonder what I should do tomorrow?

    Something doesn't look quite right here.



    Speaking of not quite right, here is the end of the keel that I was worried about.



    The filler was hiding a big hole, which looks like it might have been a knot or something. It doesn't feel soft or punky at all, so I'm thinking new filler or a plug of some sort is in order here.

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    ^ A void that big needs a wooden plug epoxied in.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Well that's a familiar sight! I was in exactly the same place last summer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerie Maa View Post
    ^ A void that big needs a wooden plug epoxied in.
    I think I'm leaning towards cutting the void out and gluing in a block instead of cutting a plug to fit, just because fitting would be tighter/ more straightforward.
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    A Forsner bit would would do a nice job of turning that hole into a nice smooth uniform bore, good for a big turned plug.

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    Not a bad idea Ned, here is the plug I turned for it.



    After turning the plug I moved on to laying out the new stem pieces.



    To roughout the parts it was cut both side with a skilsaw and finish up with a hand saw.





    Then it was thin the stem out a bit.



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    After that the shape was refined some more with the power planer.



    And a little chisel work.



    Which got me to this.



    There is a lot of sweat in those pieces.

    They still need some tuning, then it will be on to laying out the rabbet.

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    Lot's of work !!!
    ....but result FANTASTIC !!

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    Thanks!
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    That is just beautiful.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jsjpd1 View Post
    So, I see you are following Peter Lenihan's lead using odd tools...and rusty ones at that!! IIRC Peter made mahogany raised panel doors with nothing but his ten thumbs and a Skil saw!) as opposed finding a sharp adze and a giant unobtainium Japanese slick....

    Nice work!!

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    Thanks Ben!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cogeniac View Post
    So, I see you are following Peter Lenihan's lead using odd tools...and rusty ones at that!! IIRC Peter made mahogany raised panel doors with nothing but his ten thumbs and a Skil saw!) as opposed finding a sharp adze and a giant unobtainium Japanese slick....

    Nice work!!

    S
    Hey, we can't all be Jim Ledger, Scott. I could have broke out the homemade leafspring adze complete with grown tree branch handle or wandered off on a no doubt interesting diversion making a handle for the lipped adze head hiding in the basement, but the height of the saw horses suggested carpenters ax to me. I probably should have sharpened it first though.
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    I decided it would be easier to carve the rabbet if the stem was put together in one piece. So out came my trusty brace and bits various. The longest carriage bolts I could find locally were 5\8" by 12" which will work in a couple positions but I am going to need a couple that are longer than that as well.

    Counter sink first then finish off the shaft.



    I'm going to need to get out my bit extension.



    Bolted up it is a BIG chunk of wood.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jsjpd1 View Post
    Bolted up it is a BIG chunk of wood.
    Kinda makes one think it would be OK to run into something really huge...

    I'm curious about the fixings. From all reports epoxy glued joints are stronger than the wood. Bolts were used before epoxy came along, but why would we not just use the latter now? Is it for future dismantleability (to coin an ugly but useful word!)?

    Cheers,
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    With large bits of wood seasonal moisture changes can create significant movement which would overcome the glue joint. Besides, given the choice I would rather not not use epoxy. I just don't find it pleasant to work with.
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    Thanks Jim, your work is an inspiration. Glad my boat needs much less radical intervention!

    Regards,
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    Very nice! -- I would agree, not the place or need for epoxy. Nothing more hi-tech needed than maybe a smear of roofing tar

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    I seriously considered going the tar bedding route, Ned. In the end the mess is just a little too much and I'm thinking Dolfinite instead.

    And, just because I can, here are a few more pictures.

    Sizing up bolts with little assistance.



    And some perspective, graciously provided by my other assistant.



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    You "restoration guys" are an inspiration. (and you should frame that last picture)

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    The reward you're gonna feel when that fits will be something

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    Nice work Jim !

    You are doing her proud , a right proper job.

    Thanks for posting.

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    Fantastic!



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