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    Hello Jim,
    I would suggest you try once to lift your wife (while she is acting passed out and in warm waters), from Amazon's deck.
    I am confident you have no chance... And your back may fail, or you may slip overboard together.

    On the other hand, thanks for having us dream about your beautiful place !

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    Quote Originally Posted by L'Ankou View Post
    Hello Jim,
    I would suggest you try once to lift your wife (while she is acting passed out and in warm waters), from Amazon's deck.
    I am confident you have no chance... And your back may fail, or you may slip overboard together.

    On the other hand, thanks for having us dream about your beautiful place !
    There is no such thing, if any of us are unresponsive the game is done. That is the reality of this fine adventure.
    -Jim

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    Getting into trouble one board at a time.

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    You just need to build a davit so your wife or kids can haul you aboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsjpd1 View Post
    Sometimes self rescue needs to happen even when you’re not alone.
    For a quick and dirty, a length of 1" double braid with stopper knots every foot trailing over the side would give you half a chance and be real easy to make and stow. Not long enough to tangle the prop tho

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    I locked the thread because I know how these discussions on life saving go. The instinct is to immediately go to the most dire of circumstances and that must be the base level response. It is a suductive line of thought to get caught up in. But that is not the reality, it is way more likely that occasionally someone will slip or make a bad grab, in benign conditions, and you will need to fish them out. Make sure they wear their PFD and likely it will turn out all right in the end.

    While I appreciate the well wishes, I probably should have kept my unexpected swim to myself. Fortunately, there are a couple of great threads to share lifesaving techniques on.
    -Jim

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    Getting into trouble one board at a time.

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    Let’s get back to building things, shall we? The boarding ladder hardware that I ordered the other day has shown up in the mail, so I headed down to the boat to see what needed to be done to make it fit.

    I’m going to need to cut out a section of the toe rail and then either notch the rub rail or make a pad for the eye to sit on.

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    A bit of cardboard to figure where the ladder wants to land on the hull.

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    And then a whole lot of head scratching to get the layout right.

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    Then a quick trim and the other side can be laid out.

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    The ladder will have four rungs when extended. The bottom rung will about twelve inches below the surface and the one above it just slightly submerged, which should work pretty good.
    -Jim

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    Getting into trouble one board at a time.

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    Does that deck fitting sit where it is, or outside the toe rail? Nice looking bit of hardware. I'm sure your ladder will look great.

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    The deck fitting needs to be right where the toe rail is, so some surgery is required.
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    1934 27' Blanchard Cuiser ~ Amazon, Ex. Emalu
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    Getting into trouble one board at a time.

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    Interesting it needs to go at the rail. My padeyes are about 3" (maybe 4) below the caprail. I tried to find a pic - but no luck.
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    Jim, I've found that a bottom rung just 12" deep is surprisingly difficult for some people. When swimming, they just can't get a foot up that high.
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    can you rotate the eye 90 degrees and mount it on a vertical surface like through the rub rail ?

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    I found a crummy pic - but it does show the eyes mounted directly on the topsides. They're the 2 dark spots just below the caprail about the middle of the pilothouse.

    Putting the ladder on takes a bit of strength as you have to hold it about 30 degrees off upside-down vertical to hook it into the eyes, then lower it down. I keep a length of small line attached to the bottom rung for the lowering.

    I too have to agree with 12" below the surface not being a lot. Mine is more like 18"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    Interesting it needs to go at the rail. My padeyes are about 3" (maybe 4) below the caprail. I tried to find a pic - but no luck.
    So you’re pad eyes mounted to the hull? Do you find it difficult to hook the ladder up or bring it back into the boat? How much free board does Neoga have?

    Quote Originally Posted by Woxbox View Post
    Jim, I've found that a bottom rung just 12" deep is surprisingly difficult for some people. When swimming, they just can't get a foot up that high.
    There might need to be a ladder mark II Dave. I’m trying to find the sweet spot between easy to fold down without being too buoyant and easy to use.

    Quote Originally Posted by coelcanth View Post
    can you rotate the eye 90 degrees and mount it on a vertical surface like through the rub rail ?
    I considered that, my concern with mounting to the rub rail is that the fasteners will be more likely to pull out as the lever of the ladder works on them, there is too much structure there for through bolting. The other thing I was worried about was the eyes being too proud making them a magnet for catching lines or people when docking.
    -Jim

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    1934 27' Blanchard Cuiser ~ Amazon, Ex. Emalu
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    Getting into trouble one board at a time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garret View Post
    I found a crummy pic - but it does show the eyes mounted directly on the topsides. They're the 2 dark spots just below the caprail about the middle of the pilothouse.

    Putting the ladder on takes a bit of strength as you have to hold it about 30 degrees off upside-down vertical to hook it into the eyes, then lower it down. I keep a length of small line attached to the bottom rung for the lowering.

    I too have to agree with 12" below the surface not being a lot. Mine is more like 18"

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    That would work with ladder mark I and put the bottom rung at closer to 16 inches below the surface.
    -Jim

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    1934 27' Blanchard Cuiser ~ Amazon, Ex. Emalu
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    Getting into trouble one board at a time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsjpd1 View Post
    So you’re pad eyes mounted to the hull? Do you find it difficult to hook the ladder up or bring it back into the boat? How much free board does Neoga have?

    ...
    Yes - screwed into oak frames with, IIRC (& I may not) #14 x 3". Difficult? Easier than taking in a reef in 30 knots of wind... OK, ok. It takes a little strength - but the key is the line attached to the bottom of the folded ladder. Angling up the ladder without that is brutal. Once it's tilted up, it's not too bad. The trick is to grab the top of the ladder before you've tilted it enough for the hooks to drop out of the eyes.
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    Sitting in Friday Harbor right now and the boat next to us has a similar setup that might be worth looking at:



    Looks like if you mount the pads under the rail they wouldn't stick out too much? Granted it's not quite the same since the hooks drop in the other way but still might be workable.

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    It’s true that mounting it under the rail doesn’t fit with what I had originally envisioned, but it seems like an obvious solution now that it’s been pointed out to me and if the pad eyes are under the rail I can through bolt them.

    My ladder parts are starting to look more ladder like.

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    The rungs are 18 inches wide at the moment, which feels a touch wide so I think I’ll cut them down to 16 inches.
    -Jim

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    1934 27' Blanchard Cuiser ~ Amazon, Ex. Emalu
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    Getting into trouble one board at a time.

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    Jim

    Not sure of the strength impact on the steps but what do you think of hand grip cutouts near the front each step? (Near the ends, not the center.) I'm thinking it would help a person in the water pull themselves up to the point they can grab the upper side grip.

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    That upper handhold will be a weak spot in this design, not able to sustain a hard knock on it's own. Pretty though, perhaps a bronze half-round would bring it up to snuff. / Jim

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    Would a weighted rope loop hanging off the bottom step perhaps provide a"starter" step to help someone get a foot to the first wooden step one foot down? Maybe that could be used to help tie the folding bit shut?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCanoe View Post
    Jim

    Not sure of the strength impact on the steps but what do you think of hand grip cutouts near the front each step? (Near the ends, not the center.) I'm thinking it would help a person in the water pull themselves up to the point they can grab the upper side grip.
    I’m not sure that’s necessary, with the stand off from the hull it would be easy enough to grab the backside of the step as a hand hold if needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by chas View Post
    That upper handhold will be a weak spot in this design, not able to sustain a hard knock on it's own. Pretty though, perhaps a bronze half-round would bring it up to snuff. / Jim
    Nah, you gotta plan in a few failure points otherwise you’ll never get the chance to make a better one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh MacD View Post
    Would a weighted rope loop hanging off the bottom step perhaps provide a"starter" step to help someone get a foot to the first wooden step one foot down? Maybe that could be used to help tie the folding bit shut?
    With the pad eyes moved down the bottom step will now be 16 inches below the surface Hugh, which should be about right. A hook and eye will keep everything closed when it’s folded up.
    -Jim

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    Getting into trouble one board at a time.

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    That's a handsome piece of work, there. Nice job!

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    I like the geometry and how it fits together.

    Will the bottom half of the ladder floating up when no weight is on it be an issue?

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    The bottom section will float up (latches hold it down), though the whole ladder will have a tendency to float up then. I have tied my bottom rung to the prop shaft to stop the floating.
    Jim, let me know if you would like photos of where & how the various latches were usually placed. I have two 'period' ('50's) similar ladders. ........ Very nice job!

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    Finished off the ladder this weekend. I just went with simple hooks and eyes to hold it open or closed. It should work okay.

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    And I mounted the brackets on the boat.

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    They are a little proud of the rail, but not by too much.

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    -Jim

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    1934 27' Blanchard Cuiser ~ Amazon, Ex. Emalu
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    Getting into trouble one board at a time.

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    Looks like I’ll need to move to the other side of the slip to test full deployment.

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    But it does fit snugly under the rail.

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    Now it will probably be another forty years before I need it again.
    Last edited by jsjpd1; 08-19-2019 at 10:42 PM.
    -Jim

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    1934 27' Blanchard Cuiser ~ Amazon, Ex. Emalu
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    Getting into trouble one board at a time.

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    Looks great, Jim! Actually all ya gotta do to test it is move aft a few feet, eh?

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    As always,.... just beautiful!
    I like the hooks to keep it open, much better than what is on mine.

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    Very nicely done!

    I wonder what's the origin of that type of ladder. Is there an individual designer who gets credit, or is it a story shrouded in the mists of time? Ed Monk's 1955 drawings for Skookum Maru show basically the same idea:

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    That looks awesome! I love it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by _QB_ View Post
    Very nicely done!

    I wonder what's the origin of that type of ladder. Is there an individual designer who gets credit, or is it a story shrouded in the mists of time? Ed Monk's 1955 drawings for Skookum Maru show basically the same idea:
    I'd like to know, as it's an elegant & functional design. I love mine!
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    Very nice ladder. Is it unfinished or oiled? It's hard to tell on this computer.
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