oil fired running lights

[Tony Zucker]

I need help in finding running lights for my 30' wooden sharpie ketch. I'll attach them to the mainmast shrouds. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated

[Tony Zucker]

I need help in finding running lights for my 30' wooden sharpie ketch. I'll attach them to the mainmast shrouds. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated

[Rambler]

Try going to www.chinaseas.com and asking the owner. He operated here in Baltimore for a number of years and has THE biggest collection of nautical antiques stored in a barn up in Maine. Tell him the First Mate of the Kathryn M. Lee sent you and maybe, and I mean Maybe, he'll go the extra mile. I'd love to see a picture.

[Rambler]

Try going to www.chinaseas.com and asking the owner. He operated here in Baltimore for a number of years and has THE biggest collection of nautical antiques stored in a barn up in Maine. Tell him the First Mate of the Kathryn M. Lee sent you and maybe, and I mean Maybe, he'll go the extra mile. I'd love to see a picture.

[dngoodchild]

The Navigation Light Manufactory in Hong Kong still makes these and they are convertible on the fly to electric as well. I don't believe they have a web site, but I posted their address and fax number some time ago after a similar request. You might search the archives for such. Regards.

[dngoodchild]

The Navigation Light Manufactory in Hong Kong still makes these and they are convertible on the fly to electric as well. I don't believe they have a web site, but I posted their address and fax number some time ago after a similar request. You might search the archives for such. Regards.

[Ian Wright]

Try http://www.toplicht.de/

IanW.

[Ian Wright]

Try http://www.toplicht.de/

IanW.

[Mike Field]

You could have a look at these, too --
http://www.weems-plath.com/html/lampson.html
http://www.ishop4u.com/nauticallamps/index.htm
http://www.oillampman.com/start.html

[Mike Field]

You could have a look at these, too --
http://www.weems-plath.com/html/lampson.html
http://www.ishop4u.com/nauticallamps/index.htm
http://www.oillampman.com/start.html

[Jon Agne]

Two firms in the UK:

Classic Marine: http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/index.htm

Davey & Co.: http://www.davey.co.uk/chandlry/default.htm

They both have GREAT catalogs, jam-packed full of classic/traditional boat stuff.

Good luck,

Jon

[Jon Agne]

Two firms in the UK:

Classic Marine: http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/index.htm

Davey & Co.: http://www.davey.co.uk/chandlry/default.htm

They both have GREAT catalogs, jam-packed full of classic/traditional boat stuff.

Good luck,

Jon

[Ian Wright]

Regretably, Daveys no longer retail. Not to worry, Classic Marine can supply all Daveys stock list.
Like most things in life it was better back when,,,,,, you could walk into Davey in ,,,,, um,,,,,, the East End and buy off the shelf. Recently delivery times have gone to pot. Took 'em two years to deliver bronze port lights for Patience.

IanW.

[Ian Wright]

Regretably, Daveys no longer retail. Not to worry, Classic Marine can supply all Daveys stock list.
Like most things in life it was better back when,,,,,, you could walk into Davey in ,,,,, um,,,,,, the East End and buy off the shelf. Recently delivery times have gone to pot. Took 'em two years to deliver bronze port lights for Patience.

IanW.

[dngoodchild]

I have misplaced my correspondence with the Tung Woo Navigation Light Manufactory in Hong Kong. Does anyone know if there is an international fax number directory? Is anyone out there in Hong Kong? Help!

[dngoodchild]

I have misplaced my correspondence with the Tung Woo Navigation Light Manufactory in Hong Kong. Does anyone know if there is an international fax number directory? Is anyone out there in Hong Kong? Help!

[ishmael]

This place never ceases to amaze me! One night I'm trading good natured insults with an Ozzy on the other side of the world and now, if I should want kerosene running lamps, Uoala! Amazing. Sorry, I'm still fairly new to this place and it is stunning when I stop and think about it.

[ishmael]

This place never ceases to amaze me! One night I'm trading good natured insults with an Ozzy on the other side of the world and now, if I should want kerosene running lamps, Uoala! Amazing. Sorry, I'm still fairly new to this place and it is stunning when I stop and think about it.

[Kermit]

Interesting comment from the ClassicMarine site:

"Nothing quite so handsome as oil-burning navigation lights, not to mention the benefits of reduced battery drain while at anchor or on passage. The ones offered here are fully boatworthy, not dodgy imitations aimed more at “Ye Olde Pubbe” market. But are they legal? My understanding is that when the relevant regulations were drawn up covering navigation lights, oil lights were omitted. So therefore oil lights do not contravene current regulations. (This is an argument which I know has been deployed successfully by at least two skippers of MSA registered vessels!)."

[Kermit]

Interesting comment from the ClassicMarine site:

"Nothing quite so handsome as oil-burning navigation lights, not to mention the benefits of reduced battery drain while at anchor or on passage. The ones offered here are fully boatworthy, not dodgy imitations aimed more at “Ye Olde Pubbe” market. But are they legal? My understanding is that when the relevant regulations were drawn up covering navigation lights, oil lights were omitted. So therefore oil lights do not contravene current regulations. (This is an argument which I know has been deployed successfully by at least two skippers of MSA registered vessels!)."

[ACB]

Tung Woo closed down in 1998. The elderly couple who owned the business were offered silly money for the freehold of their premises, so they took it and retired to Canada. When asked "Why" they replied in one word - "Plastic!"

Incidentally, the reason for their continuing to make oil lights as well as electric for so long was a Hong Kong Marine Department regulalation requiring tugs and similar craft to carry oil lights as reserve navigation lights.

I've got a set - the oil ones came off a scrapped tug, and the matching electric ones I actually bought in their shop.

[ACB]

Tung Woo closed down in 1998. The elderly couple who owned the business were offered silly money for the freehold of their premises, so they took it and retired to Canada. When asked "Why" they replied in one word - "Plastic!"

Incidentally, the reason for their continuing to make oil lights as well as electric for so long was a Hong Kong Marine Department regulalation requiring tugs and similar craft to carry oil lights as reserve navigation lights.

I've got a set - the oil ones came off a scrapped tug, and the matching electric ones I actually bought in their shop.

[Thaddeus J. Van Gilder]

the oillights on IVY came from classic marine.
they were a fair price, and very high quality.
They work very well, as well.

Thad

[Thaddeus J. Van Gilder]

the oillights on IVY came from classic marine.
they were a fair price, and very high quality.
They work very well, as well.

Thad

[David Tabor (sailordave)]

Hey RAMBLER, went the link you put up and got St. Joseph's Monastery Parish, although it also was in Baltimore! I think I remember the store you are writing about. South Seas China Trading company or something like that; used to be down in Fells Point right? My wife bought me an oil anchor lamp there about 15 years ago!

[David Tabor (sailordave)]

Hey RAMBLER, went the link you put up and got St. Joseph's Monastery Parish, although it also was in Baltimore! I think I remember the store you are writing about. South Seas China Trading company or something like that; used to be down in Fells Point right? My wife bought me an oil anchor lamp there about 15 years ago!

[paladin]

..don't even consider oil burning oil lamps in U.S. waters in the Gulf of Mexico...and perhaps Mexico also..they were looking at the situation...Too many oil fires and explosions.
The offshore drilling rigs release natural gas into the atmosphere and no wind cool nights let the gas hug the water....all ya need izz a spark....

[paladin]

..don't even consider oil burning oil lamps in U.S. waters in the Gulf of Mexico...and perhaps Mexico also..they were looking at the situation...Too many oil fires and explosions.
The offshore drilling rigs release natural gas into the atmosphere and no wind cool nights let the gas hug the water....all ya need izz a spark....

[kria]

Better give up smoking around there aswell!

Ian

[kria]

Better give up smoking around there aswell!

Ian

[Bill Perkins]

Here's a brief correspondence I had with the Coast Guard awhile back concerning the legality of oil lights . Their answer is shown first .

Non-electric lights (i.e. kerosene lanterns) are permissible as longs as
they are substantially as bright and have the same arc of visibility as
would be required of electrical lights.

Navigate Safely,

U.S. Coast Guard
Navigation Safety Team
Office of Vessel Traffic Management
http://www.uscg.mil/vtm/pages/rules.htm


-----Original Message-----
From: wbperkins@mindspring.com [mailto:wbperkins@mindspring.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 5:13 PM
To: fldr-G-MWV@comdt.uscg.mil
Subject: USCG NavRules Web Inquiry Email


The Question about Navigation Rules (Alternative compliance) from
http://www.uscg.mil/vtm/pages/rules.htm is:

"My interest is in the rules as they apply to sailboats less
than 12 meters long .

Annex l , #11 . "INTENSITY OF NON-ELECTRIC LIGHTS : Non-electric
lights shall as far as practicable comply with the minimum
intensities , as specified in the Table given in section 8 of
this annex ."

My Handbook of the Nautical Rules ( 1991 ), written by two former
CG officials , interpret this as follows : " Lanterns useing oil ,
kerosene , and such for their light source do not have to meet
the intensity requirements of Annex l if not " practicable ."
Operators must adjust the flame to an optimal level , however ,
and keep the lenses clean ."

My question is , is this still the understanding in the USCG ? Are
oil lamps recoginized as legal Inland and offshore ? Specifically , I
use an oil anchor light to conserve power on my small sailboat
."

Submitted by:

Mr. Bill Perkins
1015 Wa****a Ave.
Atlanta, Ga 30307

Telephone:
Occupation:

[Bill Perkins]

Here's a brief correspondence I had with the Coast Guard awhile back concerning the legality of oil lights . Their answer is shown first .

Non-electric lights (i.e. kerosene lanterns) are permissible as longs as
they are substantially as bright and have the same arc of visibility as
would be required of electrical lights.

Navigate Safely,

U.S. Coast Guard
Navigation Safety Team
Office of Vessel Traffic Management
http://www.uscg.mil/vtm/pages/rules.htm


-----Original Message-----
From: wbperkins@mindspring.com [mailto:wbperkins@mindspring.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 5:13 PM
To: fldr-G-MWV@comdt.uscg.mil
Subject: USCG NavRules Web Inquiry Email


The Question about Navigation Rules (Alternative compliance) from
http://www.uscg.mil/vtm/pages/rules.htm is:

"My interest is in the rules as they apply to sailboats less
than 12 meters long .

Annex l , #11 . "INTENSITY OF NON-ELECTRIC LIGHTS : Non-electric
lights shall as far as practicable comply with the minimum
intensities , as specified in the Table given in section 8 of
this annex ."

My Handbook of the Nautical Rules ( 1991 ), written by two former
CG officials , interpret this as follows : " Lanterns useing oil ,
kerosene , and such for their light source do not have to meet
the intensity requirements of Annex l if not " practicable ."
Operators must adjust the flame to an optimal level , however ,
and keep the lenses clean ."

My question is , is this still the understanding in the USCG ? Are
oil lamps recoginized as legal Inland and offshore ? Specifically , I
use an oil anchor light to conserve power on my small sailboat
."

Submitted by:

Mr. Bill Perkins
1015 Wa****a Ave.
Atlanta, Ga 30307

Telephone:
Occupation:

[Meerkat]

I thought for awhile that oil (kerosene) fired nav lamps where no longer legal, but did some research and found that the current regs do allow for them exactly as the previous post mentions.

The Pardeys talk about how they modify them with a double chimney, put foil behind them to enhance light output and half fill the resevoir with cotton wool to prevent sloshing that can cause them to go out. They don't offer specifics about the double chimney though.

[ 12-09-2002, 12:08 AM: Message edited by: Meerkat ]

[Meerkat]

I thought for awhile that oil (kerosene) fired nav lamps where no longer legal, but did some research and found that the current regs do allow for them exactly as the previous post mentions.

The Pardeys talk about how they modify them with a double chimney, put foil behind them to enhance light output and half fill the resevoir with cotton wool to prevent sloshing that can cause them to go out. They don't offer specifics about the double chimney though.

[ 12-09-2002, 12:08 AM: Message edited by: Meerkat ]

[Tony Zucker]

I need help in finding running lights for my 30' wooden sharpie ketch. I'll attach them to the mainmast shrouds. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated

[Rambler]

Try going to www.chinaseas.com and asking the owner. He operated here in Baltimore for a number of years and has THE biggest collection of nautical antiques stored in a barn up in Maine. Tell him the First Mate of the Kathryn M. Lee sent you and maybe, and I mean Maybe, he'll go the extra mile. I'd love to see a picture.

[dngoodchild]

The Navigation Light Manufactory in Hong Kong still makes these and they are convertible on the fly to electric as well. I don't believe they have a web site, but I posted their address and fax number some time ago after a similar request. You might search the archives for such. Regards.

[Ian Wright]

Try http://www.toplicht.de/

IanW.

[Mike Field]

You could have a look at these, too --
http://www.weems-plath.com/html/lampson.html
http://www.ishop4u.com/nauticallamps/index.htm
http://www.oillampman.com/start.html

[Jon Agne]

Two firms in the UK:

Classic Marine: http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/index.htm

Davey & Co.: http://www.davey.co.uk/chandlry/default.htm

They both have GREAT catalogs, jam-packed full of classic/traditional boat stuff.

Good luck,

Jon

[Ian Wright]

Regretably, Daveys no longer retail. Not to worry, Classic Marine can supply all Daveys stock list.
Like most things in life it was better back when,,,,,, you could walk into Davey in ,,,,, um,,,,,, the East End and buy off the shelf. Recently delivery times have gone to pot. Took 'em two years to deliver bronze port lights for Patience.

IanW.

[dngoodchild]

I have misplaced my correspondence with the Tung Woo Navigation Light Manufactory in Hong Kong. Does anyone know if there is an international fax number directory? Is anyone out there in Hong Kong? Help!

[ishmael]

This place never ceases to amaze me! One night I'm trading good natured insults with an Ozzy on the other side of the world and now, if I should want kerosene running lamps, Uoala! Amazing. Sorry, I'm still fairly new to this place and it is stunning when I stop and think about it.

[Kermit]

Interesting comment from the ClassicMarine site:

"Nothing quite so handsome as oil-burning navigation lights, not to mention the benefits of reduced battery drain while at anchor or on passage. The ones offered here are fully boatworthy, not dodgy imitations aimed more at “Ye Olde Pubbe” market. But are they legal? My understanding is that when the relevant regulations were drawn up covering navigation lights, oil lights were omitted. So therefore oil lights do not contravene current regulations. (This is an argument which I know has been deployed successfully by at least two skippers of MSA registered vessels!)."

[ACB]

Tung Woo closed down in 1998. The elderly couple who owned the business were offered silly money for the freehold of their premises, so they took it and retired to Canada. When asked "Why" they replied in one word - "Plastic!"

Incidentally, the reason for their continuing to make oil lights as well as electric for so long was a Hong Kong Marine Department regulalation requiring tugs and similar craft to carry oil lights as reserve navigation lights.

I've got a set - the oil ones came off a scrapped tug, and the matching electric ones I actually bought in their shop.

[Thaddeus J. Van Gilder]

the oillights on IVY came from classic marine.
they were a fair price, and very high quality.
They work very well, as well.

Thad

[David Tabor (sailordave)]

Hey RAMBLER, went the link you put up and got St. Joseph's Monastery Parish, although it also was in Baltimore! I think I remember the store you are writing about. South Seas China Trading company or something like that; used to be down in Fells Point right? My wife bought me an oil anchor lamp there about 15 years ago!

[paladin]

..don't even consider oil burning oil lamps in U.S. waters in the Gulf of Mexico...and perhaps Mexico also..they were looking at the situation...Too many oil fires and explosions.
The offshore drilling rigs release natural gas into the atmosphere and no wind cool nights let the gas hug the water....all ya need izz a spark....

[kria]

Better give up smoking around there aswell!

Ian

[Bill Perkins]

Here's a brief correspondence I had with the Coast Guard awhile back concerning the legality of oil lights . Their answer is shown first .

Non-electric lights (i.e. kerosene lanterns) are permissible as longs as
they are substantially as bright and have the same arc of visibility as
would be required of electrical lights.

Navigate Safely,

U.S. Coast Guard
Navigation Safety Team
Office of Vessel Traffic Management
http://www.uscg.mil/vtm/pages/rules.htm


-----Original Message-----
From: wbperkins@mindspring.com [mailto:wbperkins@mindspring.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 5:13 PM
To: fldr-G-MWV@comdt.uscg.mil
Subject: USCG NavRules Web Inquiry Email


The Question about Navigation Rules (Alternative compliance) from
http://www.uscg.mil/vtm/pages/rules.htm is:

"My interest is in the rules as they apply to sailboats less
than 12 meters long .

Annex l , #11 . "INTENSITY OF NON-ELECTRIC LIGHTS : Non-electric
lights shall as far as practicable comply with the minimum
intensities , as specified in the Table given in section 8 of
this annex ."

My Handbook of the Nautical Rules ( 1991 ), written by two former
CG officials , interpret this as follows : " Lanterns useing oil ,
kerosene , and such for their light source do not have to meet
the intensity requirements of Annex l if not " practicable ."
Operators must adjust the flame to an optimal level , however ,
and keep the lenses clean ."

My question is , is this still the understanding in the USCG ? Are
oil lamps recoginized as legal Inland and offshore ? Specifically , I
use an oil anchor light to conserve power on my small sailboat
."

Submitted by:

Mr. Bill Perkins
1015 Wa****a Ave.
Atlanta, Ga 30307

Telephone:
Occupation: