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    Default Alabama Capitol is in dire trouble...

    Covid cases doubled in May, no available hospital beds


    "The mayor of Montgomery, Alabama, says the city’s health care system has been “maxed out” as cases of coronavirus have more than doubled in May—a sharp contrast to the slowing coronavirus spread that’s taken place across much of the U.S.—while city businesses were allowed to reopen May 11, even as it appeared that Alabama hadn’t hit White House reopening guidelines."

    "Major hospitals in the Montgomery area have run out of ICU beds, Mayor Steven Reed said at a news conference Wednesday, while others only one or two beds left.

    Patients in need of care are now instead being sent 90 miles away to Birmingham, Alabama, the mayor said, a step the city hasn’t had to take until now.

    Over 470 people have tested positive in Montgomery over the past two weeks, the Alabama Political Reporter notes, while the city only had a cumulative total of 355 cases going into May.

    With cases quickly rising, the city was placed on an unreleased White House hotspot watch list on May 7, according to NBC News, which obtained a copy of the report.

    But despite the rapid spread, businesses in the city were allowed to reopenstarting May 11, after Governor Kay Ivey officially moved Alabama into Phase 1 of its reopening.



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    Not surprising. As shutdowns are lifted it is inevitable that some areas will see increased infection and death rates.

    Especially in areas with an excess of older, obese persons.

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    “Let em die” says blueshart

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    What's that acronym of Paul's? BSE? Oh, wait, no, the other one... DSE? Yeah, that's it.

    My province has had one new case in the past week IIRC. Opening up a little more tomorrow.

    What are you doing about it?




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    But the Montgomery economy!!!
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    so let me get this right. They were placed on an a White House hotspot list on the 7th, but opened up businesses on the 11th? What kind of backwards thinking is this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    Not surprising. As shutdowns are lifted it is inevitable that some areas will see increased infection and death rates.

    Especially in areas with an excess of older, obese persons.
    i think its time for a 'new rule'. . .
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    i think its time for a 'new rule'. . .
    I like the Jay in Oz rule.
    Rattling the teacups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    i think its time for a 'new rule'. . .
    Any "essential" trips to Home Depot today?

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    Bad politics can be deadly, with a virus on the loose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip-skiff View Post
    Bad politics can be deadly, with a virus on the loose.
    On the cusp:

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    Not just revolution, but hellfire raining down in the old and obese.

    How...Aryan!

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    Exactly what constitutes an excess of old and obese people? How many is OK? How many is too many? Who decides? Hard questions I guess. Lucky we have a new virus to take them out. These new treatments for cancer and diabetes are just getting out of hand ain't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    Not surprising. As shutdowns are lifted it is inevitable that some areas will see increased infection and death rates.

    Especially in areas with an excess of older, obese persons.

    “an excess of .....”

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/86266

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Exactly what constitutes an excess of old and obese people? How many is OK? How many is too many? Who decides? Hard questions I guess. Lucky we have a new virus to take them out. These new treatments for cancer and diabetes are just getting out of hand ain't they?
    Oh bluey is enjoying his game of setting the terms for his enlightened posture up in the peanut gallery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    Is that a feature, not a bug?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    Is that a feature, not a bug?
    Maybe bluey can say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    Maybe bluey can say.
    If this bug only infected the Trumpists, THAT would be a feature.
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    quite worried about my eighty five year old mother
    confined to a wheel chair
    compromised immune system
    heart condition
    who lives ten miles north of montgomery
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    Not just revolution, but hellfire raining down in the old and obese.

    How...Aryan!
    I don't think the humor or sneering is really appropriate, Cris.

    # 2 is simply a statement of fact. You'd do better to just acknowledge that.

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    I don't really understand the motives behind some of the comments in this thread, which, quite frankly, belie the seriousness of this crisis. The responses are rude, unserious and immature.

    All 50 states are opening up in some manner from the shutdowns they've ordered. One can disagree with those decisions, I suppose, but it's happening and it's being engineered by governors both Democrat and Republican, red state and blue.

    It stands to reason based on what we've learned that areas with older, overweight populations will likely see more deaths than in regions that have younger, fitter citizens.

    If someone has data suggesting this isn't the case, it would be nice if they'd share that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    quite worried about my eighty five year old mother
    confined to a wheel chair
    compromised immune system
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    who lives ten miles north of montgomery
    Our thoughts for your mom, Paul

    Sue and I hope she well protected and has help at hand if things get dire.

    Hope you and Kat are well.

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    I am wishing you, Kat and all your loved ones the very best, Paul.

    The Bilge Trumpkin trolls become increasingly hard to tolerate when loved ones are at risk. The woman in the apartment next to mine told me on Wednesday that she lost her mother to Covid-19.
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    Bluey would say she's excess. And that it's inappropriate to call him out for being a fascist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    . . . ..
    Totally misses the point and the very hard lesson. If it is not safe to "open up" DO NOT FRIGGIN OPEN UP.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieBarney View Post
    Our thoughts for your mom, Paul

    Sue and I hope she well protected and has help at hand if things get dire.

    Hope you and Kat are well.
    This.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Source: Nazareth Home of Louisville, Kentucky. A nursing home caring for excess older people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    Not surprising. As shutdowns are lifted it is inevitable that some areas will see increased infection and death rates.

    Especially in areas with an excess of older, obese persons.
    So isolation works! Maybe if your country had a decent social welfare system people wouldn't have to risk their lives for a crap wage at Walmart?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    I don't think the humor or sneering is really appropriate, Cris.

    # 2 is simply a statement of fact. You'd do better to just acknowledge that.
    It’s laugh or cry when someone says more deaths are ok, since it’s just old and fat people dying.

    Opening up is inevitable and necessary. Of course. It’s just sick that most states are doing so even faster than the Official Trump Guidelines. Why? Because the President himself is agitating for opening every day, in contravention to his own guidelines, and because he sets such a piss poor example by refusing to wear a mask, taking a drug not approved for the use he put it to, by smearing anyone who proposes caution, ...

    We could have opened more safely. We’re not, because of Trump. He owns the next wave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    quite worried about my eighty five year old mother
    confined to a wheel chair
    compromised immune system
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    who lives ten miles north of montgomery
    I’m sorry Paul. My mom is in the same condition, but one year older and 10 miles east of St. Paul in an assisted living facility which had COVID present.

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    Here's hoping all of our elders come thru this ok. But we know that probably not ALL of them will.

    I hope Alabama survives this with minimal damage also. The people of that state are being ill-served by their 'leaders'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Ross View Post
    It’s laugh or cry when someone says more deaths are ok, since it’s just old and fat people dying.

    Opening up is inevitable and necessary. Of course. It’s just sick that most states are doing so even faster than the Official Trump Guidelines. Why? Because the President himself is agitating for opening every day, in contravention to his own guidelines, and because he sets such a piss poor example by refusing to wear a mask, taking a drug not approved for the use he put it to, by smearing anyone who proposes caution, ...

    We could have opened more safely. We’re not, because of Trump. He owns the next wave.
    Once again, you're raising a strawman, I think as a cover for your own rude, inappropriate, ill-tempered commentary. I wish you'd stop doing that and go back to being a reasonable, thoughtful commentator here.

    No one said the deaths are OK. I said that it is not surprising that infection and death rates will increase in areas where there are an excess of old and obese people relative to other areas. I suggest that the governments recognize this, as do you.

    I too have an elderly mother that has not left her home in nearly three months. I choose to not use her as an crutch to argue by anecdote here when discussing policy or to sneer at others.

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    Well, maybe if they all wore masks that would slow the rate of transmission, right?

    Too bad our POS leader won’t encourage wearing masks, he even refuses to wear them himself in public.

    When you are the leader of a country you should set the example. Too bad we ended up with Trump during this crisis.

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    As one in the middle of this, I see most people not wearing masks. Also some stores have narrow aisles and lack marked traffic flow, which makes it difficult to stay 6 feet apart. There's also a lot more traffic on the road.

    Madison County where I live saw 41 new cases in the last 14 days. Though small this is still concerning.

    Montgomery County saw 526 cases in the last 14 days. Mobile saw 482. Jefferson saw 384.

    Figures are from ADPH as of the time of this post.

    https://www.alabamapublichealth.gov/covid19/index.html
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    If troops were sent out with sketchy weapons, inaccurate maps, and scant supplies against a difficult objective, there would be a lot of casualties. Then, we'd say the commander was not just incompetent, but perhaps criminally negligent.

    If firefighters were sent out against a large, fast-moving wildfire without maps, having few tools, no extra gas for the chainsaws, and no air support, when there were many deaths, we'd accuse the fire boss and overhead staff of malfeasance.

    I think it's fair to say that the reopening frenzy on the part of El Trumpo and his Republican governors, et al. which places citizens in harm's way for economic reasons, (many of them selfishly political) is bad policy that will likely have fatal consequences.

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