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    Default Passed by a Type 37 this morning,

    two occupants in blue coveralls and bone dome helmets, going like the clappers.

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    Damn...

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    Pless got me this close to a Bugatti. Love to see one in the wild. Parked at a restaurant. And go all Mr. Toad...

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    Default Re: Passed by a Type 37 this morning,

    Quote Originally Posted by amish rob View Post
    Pless got me this close to a Bugatti. Love to see one in the wild. Parked at a restaurant. And go all Mr. Toad...
    that was a really special day
    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Default Re: Passed by a Type 37 this morning,

    I have had a ride round the Phillip Island circuit in one Rob, likely that one seeing it was local more or less. I rescued them from the side of the road with my big trailer and garaged it for a few days.

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    Default Re: Passed by a Type 37 this morning,

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    that was a really special day
    A shame you didn't have a better photographer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    I have had a ride round the Phillip Island circuit in one Rob, likely that one seeing it was local more or less. I rescued them from the side of the road with my big trailer and garaged it for a few days.
    Oh, wow. That would be slick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    that was a really special day
    It was one of the best this year, by far!

    Birdcage Maserati and a super old Buddha.

    Sigh...

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    Default Re: Passed by a Type 37 this morning,

    Quote Originally Posted by TomF View Post
    A shame you didn't have a better photographer.
    Better? Couldnít have found one, anywhere!

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    Default Re: Passed by a Type 37 this morning,

    They are special, aren’t they?

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    There’s a company called Pur Sang building replicas including replica engines, for $250K
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    Rob you don't realise how small they are till you stand beside one. With two in the cockpit, I use "in" very loosely, the scoop of the 'door' comes half way up your hip, most of your body is well outside the car, and you can feel why old time racers wore a scarf.
    This is Fasio Nuvolari in a Type 51. He was not a big man.

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    This side of La Manche, a type 37 means something completely different.. Hear those diesels roar..P6074302.jpg
    Just an amateur bodging away..

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    Default Re: Passed by a Type 37 this morning,

    Looks similar to a Type-35, which I fell in love with as a teen (photo) and never forgot it.

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    Default Re: Passed by a Type 37 this morning,

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Bow View Post
    There’s a company called Pur Sang building replicas including replica engines, for $250K

    I dreamed last night that I bought one, was giving a friend a ride, and trying to convince him that it was a sound investment.

    Their website is cool.

    One 30 yo Saudi commented to them, incredulously, where has the Type 37 been all my life? Oh, to have such naivete.

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    Default Re: Passed by a Type 37 this morning,

    Types 35, 37, 39 and 51 are all basically the same car, just different engines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birlinn View Post
    Types 35, 37, 39 and 51 are all basically the same car, just different engines.
    Were wire wheels common? The metal wheels made the Bugattis easy for me to identify at a glance.
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    My brain read that as you passed your 737 type rating this morning....I wondered how I missed that about you
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    Default Re: Passed by a Type 37 this morning,

    I guess that is something military?

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    I was poodling along at speed limit-ish on the A12 on my BMW K bike when I was overtaken by a Vincent Black Shadow... lugging a sidecar!
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    Default Re: Passed by a Type 37 this morning,

    Quote Originally Posted by Stiletto View Post
    Were wire wheels common? The metal wheels made the Bugattis easy for me to identify at a glance.
    The cast aluminum wheels incorporated the brake drum, departure was non standard. The weird wire wheels were the later Type 59 radially spoked wires.

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    A retired hand surgeon, who lived nearby, made a hobby of restoring old equipment. Two of his projects were Bugattis. The first photo shows his Bugatti from 1914.
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    The 4 cylinder engine had 16 valves and an aluminum crankcase.
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    he said it could reach 60 mph on the track. His other Bugatti was more recent.
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    he had an interesting collection of vehicles.
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    The 4 cylinder Type 37 had wire wheels as standard, as did the cheaper plain bearing 8 cylinder type 35A; all the rest of the family (other 35's, 39, 51) had cast alloy wheels.
    That 16 valve Type 13 Brescia can not be 1914; more like 1921 or 22. The 1914 cars, apart from 3 factory prototypes, all had 8 valves, and different radiators. The design dates from 1914 admittedly. Should be good for quite a bit more than 60 mph too!
    The other car is one of the 1923 Grand Prix Type 32 'tank' cars, a rare beast. Your feet would be at the side of the 8 cylinder engine crammed into that small car.
    Here's the 1922 Type 22 Brescia I used to own; a longer wheelbase version of the type 13..

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    Interesting comment about the older car. I didn’t know the owner well, we only had a few casual conversations when I would see him in his driveway with one of his interesting “toys”. My dad worked for a few years at Bowles Aviation where they built the streamlined trailer shown with the old pickup truck. I don’t believe he meant that 60 mph was the car’s top speed. That was the top speed he was willing to drive it on the track. I expect the old car was fairly valuable and he didn’t want to destroy it in an accident. He was pretty clear about the age (last year before the war started) and the number of valves (explanation for the elaborate overhead cam drive). Maybe it was one of the factory prototypes you mentioned. He has moved away so I can’t ask him for clarification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birlinn View Post
    The 4 cylinder Type 37 had wire wheels as standard, as did the cheaper plain bearing 8 cylinder type 35A; all the rest of the family (other 35's, 39, 51) had cast alloy wheels.
    That 16 valve Type 13 Brescia can not be 1914; more like 1921 or 22. The 1914 cars, apart from 3 factory prototypes, all had 8 valves, and different radiators. The design dates from 1914 admittedly. Should be good for quite a bit more than 60 mph too!
    The other car is one of the 1923 Grand Prix Type 32 'tank' cars, a rare beast. Your feet would be at the side of the 8 cylinder engine crammed into that small car.
    Here's the 1922 Type 22 Brescia I used to own; a longer wheelbase version of the type 13..

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    Sorry, Robert!
    I sold the car when I retired- I could no longer afford to run it. So these days, it's a 2CV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birlinn View Post
    Sorry, Robert!
    I sold the car when I retired- I could no longer afford to run it. So these days, it's a 2CV.
    Donít be sorry! It wonderful to see such a car! Those old jobs really knock me out. I think itís the accessibility, as it were, of the technology. Maybe. There is something about many prewar cars I simply adore, and I have you all to thank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Higgins.94301 View Post
    Interesting comment about the older car. I didn’t know the owner well, we only had a few casual conversations when I would see him in his driveway with one of his interesting “toys”. My dad worked for a few years at Bowles Aviation where they built the streamlined trailer shown with the old pickup truck. I don’t believe he meant that 60 mph was the car’s top speed. That was the top speed he was willing to drive it on the track. I expect the old car was fairly valuable and he didn’t want to destroy it in an accident. He was pretty clear about the age (last year before the war started) and the number of valves (explanation for the elaborate overhead cam drive). Maybe it was one of the factory prototypes you mentioned. He has moved away so I can’t ask him for clarification.
    Having now done research, I am 100% certain that the black Type 13 is car chassis no. 981, engine no. 538, which was owned in 2008 by Leo A Keoshian. He bought it from Rick Rawlins in California in 1998.
    The car started out as a long chassis Type 23, delivered in August 1920 to Bugatti agent Pabenel, and was shortened to Type 13 length in the UK on the 1960's. The body was built for Keoshian by John Budenbaum; the engine was overhauled by David Wallace at Phil Reilly and Company.
    Pics and history are on pages 108 and 109 of Bob King's 'Brescia Bugatti'

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    Interesting. I never knew Leo’s last name.

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    Default Re: Passed by a Type 37 this morning,

    I want this setup:

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    Default Re: Passed by a Type 37 this morning,

    Another pic of a Type 32.
    The little car alongside is, I think, the one that was designed and partly made by me as the Bugatti Owners Club's entry for the Goodwood Festival of Speed's downhill 'gravity' race.
    We came 3rd.

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    Higgins,

    That’s Bowlus Aviation that your dad worked for. Hawley Bowlus was the manager at Ryan who supervised the construction of the Spirit Of St Louis. He later formed Bowlus Aviation to build beautiful wooden gliders, and provide gliding instruction. During the same period, they built the RV trailers. His chief salesman went on to re-design and create Airstream.

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    Default Re: Passed by a Type 37 this morning,

    Since you live in the Northwest, perhaps you saw the Baby Bowlus that once hung in the air museum in Seattle. I helped my dad rebuild that glider after he broke the pod landing it on a grass field out near Enumclaw. The boom, wings and tail surfaces broke away leaving my Dad rolling down the grass field in the pod. Nothing was damaged except the pod. That project was my introduction to wood working. The attachment shows Dad after the test flight of the rebuilt glider. It probably was the last time the glider flew. Apparently it was difficult to control. One of my childhood recollections was at an airport used by glider pilots in Winfield Kansas (Dad worked for Boeing so we moved between Seattle and Wichita). That afternoon a friend of my Dad's was killed landing a Dragonfly, which was the powered version of the Baby Bowlus.

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    By the way, I have almost exactly the same photo as you of the Baby Bowlus in the air museum out at Dulles.

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    Wow! Do you know the year that photo was taken?

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