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    Simpler is better, except when complicated looks really cool.

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    Plenty fast enough.

    I have questions about the rear suspension.
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    Unsafe at any speed!
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    my paternal grandfolks had a toyota powered sundowner they drove around the country.

    the next tour was in a ford conversion van.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Plenty fast enough.

    I have questions about the rear suspension.
    My guess, and only a guess, is both rear axles are suspended by leaf springs coupled by equalizer shackles, the solid driven axle forward and a standard trailer beam axle for the tag axle. I highly, highly doubt that both rear axles are driven. And if the front axle isn't driven either, this vehicle has what is known as "poor tractive effort to GVW ratio" based on traction, and a poor ratio based on power as well.
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    Slower than this.



    or this


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob (oh, THAT Bob) View Post
    My guess, and only a guess, is both rear axles are suspended by leaf springs coupled by equalizer shackles, the solid driven axle forward and a standard trailer beam axle for the tag axle. I highly, highly doubt that both rear axles are driven. And if the front axle isn't driven either, this vehicle has what is known as "poor tractive effort to GVW ratio" based on traction, and a poor ratio based on power as well.
    OK, the forward rear axle looks about the right distance from the cab to match the short box pickup.

    If the front axle is driven (and from the 'stance' I would bet that it's not), then it will have six lugs on the wheels.

    I wouldn't want to drive that rig at 85 mph.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob (oh, THAT Bob) View Post
    My guess, and only a guess, is both rear axles are suspended by leaf springs coupled by equalizer shackles, the solid driven axle forward and a standard trailer beam axle for the tag axle. I highly, highly doubt that both rear axles are driven. And if the front axle isn't driven either, this vehicle has what is known as "poor tractive effort to GVW ratio" based on traction, and a poor ratio based on power as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    OK, the forward rear axle looks about the right distance from the cab to match the short box pickup.

    If the front axle is driven (and from the 'stance' I would bet that it's not), then it will have six lugs on the wheels.

    I wouldn't want to drive that rig at 85 mph.
    You would need a tailwind and substantial cliff to hit 85 in that rig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Plenty fast enough.
    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    I wouldn't want to drive that rig at 85 mph.
    Quote Originally Posted by Art Haberland View Post
    You would need a tailwind and substantial cliff to hit 85 in that rig.
    Precisely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oznabrag View Post
    Precisely.

    That's a good thing.
    "Drag-limited." (Versus gear-limited like on most heavy trucks, can redline in top gear.)
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    I used to work with somebody back in Michigan that commuted to the office every day in a rig almost exactly like that one. His was beige, though, not baby blue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    Gonna buy it?

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    Do you mean House Slow?

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    Faster than a Dyane camper; 602 cc engine.

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    does it even have 100 hp? 85 maybe?
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    105hp!!!
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    dad had one of those diesel rabbit pickups. i think those managed sixty hp or so. brother and i drove to wells gray circa 1990 with a canoe on top. lots of inclines done in second gear. we even had a "runaway diesel" moment on a pass road out of kamloops. stopped overreving on its own, didn't seem to do any harm. just another headgasket job when we got it home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    does it even have 100 hp? 85 maybe?
    Wiki sez the most powerful engine available in the gen 3 Hilux was the 22R:

    2.4 L (2,366 cc) 22R SOHC I4, 98 PS; 97 hp (72 kW) at 4,800 rpm and 175 N⋅m (129 lb⋅ft) of torque at 2,800 rpm
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    We had a ‘59 VW camper with 36 hp, got about 17 mpg. I had a 82 Vanagon that got 18mpg. My daughters 2008 Honda Odyssey almost gets 20mpg on hilly roads, freeway or towing a flat bed trailer w 2000lbs of feed. I wish Honda made a utility van about 25% bigger than the Odyssey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob (oh, THAT Bob) View Post
    "Drag-limited." (Versus gear-limited like on most heavy trucks, can redline in top gear.)

    One of the trucks I used to drive was a GMW W7 cab over, really the big isuzu cabover box truck. It topped out just under 75 at 200 rpms over the redline. It would sit there all day though, happily pulling whatever was in the box. The bigger Mack Cabover's topped out much higher, I think I once got that to 85, but it took a while and was not worth the effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    105hp!!!
    Where did you get that figure, Paul?

    I was under the impression that the 2.8L four wasn't available until the 90s, and I'm pretty sure the V-6 didn't appear for another decade or so after that body ceased production.

    My own Gen 3 is getting pretty tired, and I'm trying to sort out whether it's better to simply re-power, or to overhaul the 20-R that's in there.

    If there's a readily-compatible 105hp motor out there, I'd like to know about it.

    Oh, and thanks for the troll!

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    wiki, the rv's used the 22re engine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Pless View Post
    wiki, the rv's used the 22re engine
    Aha!

    Bobby Durnik had experience with one of those, as I recall . . .

    Primitive electronic fuel injection, as I recall.

    I think that If I do a swap, I should buy a wreck from '96 or later, for EFI, etc. and the air conditioning.

    Also, the i4 I was thinking about is actually 2.7 liters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_RZ_engine#3RZ-FE

    Most likely, I'll just overhaul what's there.
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    Faster than this, which used to be ubiquitous.

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    Just put one of these on the back and roll on your merry way.

    I've found how fast I need to travel on a road trip varies on the mission. Sometimes my Vanagon is just the ticket. Cruising along, seeing the sights found on the "Blue Highways"? 135hp/65-ish mph top speed is okay. If I simply need to get from point A to point B then hopping on the Interstate in the Pilot with the cruise control set at 80 is hard to beat.
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