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    The research/expedition ship REV Ocean:

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    Why am I reminded of the Goblin Shark?

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    bse, and then some. . .
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    What is the purpose of the sprit?
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    Does the exaggerated bow bulb serve some purpose specific to oceanic research?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Hazard View Post
    Does the exaggerated bow bulb serve some purpose specific to oceanic research?
    Spearing samples?
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    I could be King of the World on that thing!
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    I don't get the evolutionary advantage of that spiked head of the goblin shark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    What is the purpose of the sprit?
    I have not been able to find any information on that, isla. The only plausible hint is that on the vessel's website they refer to one of the research activities as "observation". It does seem to be constructed to enable someone to walk out to the tip of it, spread their arms out wide, and yell to no one in particular, "I'm the king of the world!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerarddm View Post
    I don't get the evolutionary advantage of that spiked head of the goblin shark.
    Its long snout is covered with ampullae of Lorenzini that enable it to sense minute electric fields produced by nearby prey, which it can snatch up by rapidly extending its jaws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmd View Post
    I have not been able to find any information on that, isla. The only plausible hint is that on the vessel's website they refer to one of the research activities as "observation". It does seem to be constructed to enable someone to walk out to the tip of it, spread their arms out wide, and yell to no one in particular, "I'm the king of the world!"
    That seems right enough

    I found this - it's not very clear, but it looks like the 'sprit' is a continuation of the side decks, and you can indeed walk out to the end of it.

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    In heavy weather will the tip of the sprit descend faster than gravity?

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    They have yet to fix the harpoon gun! :-)

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    My guess is that the length of the bulbous bow is related to the cruise or max design hull speed, but I could be wrong. EDIT: The texture there below the intended waterline looks strange; Possibly sensor arrays there.

    The sprit, maybe just because they could. But it may be for observation, especially being forward of the bulb wave.

    I saw on display some years ago, a "mini carrier", one of those small flat-tops. And all along the raked bow, well above the waterline, I saw welded loops (just a semi-circle of steel welded at each end). Wondered for some time the purpose of them for operations, couldn't figure it out, finally I asked one of the crew. They're just there to aid painting, so crew suspended over the side can pull themselves in to paint there.
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    There appears to be a "porthole" in the floor of the sprit which is half visible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isla View Post
    That seems right enough

    I found this - it's not very clear, but it looks like the 'sprit' is a continuation of the side decks, and you can indeed walk out to the end of it.

    Selfie platform.
    I'd much rather lay in my bunk all freakin day lookin at Youtube videos .

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    That makes a lot more sense for thrills than a rocket ship ride for billionaires.

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    Maybe if tugboat skippers see this big bowsprit they are less likely to run into the long bulb keel?
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    I suppose that I will ruin this for some by mentioning that the ship is also a mega-yacht that will be engaging in charter work for a significant part of each year. Twenty-eight guests taken care of by fifty-four crew. A Norwegian billionaire pledged to give away half of his fortune (an initiative pioneered by Bill and Linda Gates, I believe) and decided that who best to proselytize to about ocean environmental concerns than the uber-wealthy and major corporations? So he built the longest mega-yacht in the world, fitted it out with labs and scientific toys, and set about taking well-heeled individuals and groups on light scientific expeditions to get them to both help pay for the boat and to raise money for environmental concerns. The pinnacle of eco-tourism, it seems. Is this just a ploy to engage the uber-wealthy who are getting bored with the party scene at St. Tropez and Antigua? So does dabbling in environmental science activities wash away the stink of extreme wealth and the visual assault of an eight-deck luxury cruise yacht?

    From their website:

    "The expedition company and charter agent will be participating in the cruise planning process to ensure that the ship is suitably positioned to create chartering opportunities. A science component can be incorporated as part of the program, if feasible and agreed with the customer. Scientists who are known to be good communicators can be invited to participate in these cruises on the condition that they are willing to give lectures, engage with the guests and allow participation in their data gathering activities. Charter may be particularly suited for scientifically exploring poorly studied parts of the ocean (e.g. Polar seas, South Pacific Islands, southern Indian Ocean). Charter cruises will take up to one third of the year."

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    ^ That suggests that the snout is for watching dolphins playing in the bow wave.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    Nick, I imagine that you are not too far from the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmd View Post
    Nick, I imagine that you are not too far from the truth.
    Its a pity that it looks like an afterthought, it would have been so easy to fair it in.
    It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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    ^Agreed.
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    So is the extended bow bulb little more than a toy to draw in the dolphins?

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    Rob: No, there is valid hydrodynamic efficiency reasons for the big bulb. Most are shorter and a different shape due to variations in ship speed, ease of docking and undocking, etc.
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    I actually thought it was so that some sophisticated sensory gear could stay forward of the bow wave's turbulence.
    I see bulbs on ships all the time, but never such a long pointy one as that. Sure hope they don't plan to take it near ice floes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by willmarsh3 View Post
    Maybe if tugboat skippers see this big bowsprit they are less likely to run into the long bulb keel?
    That was my thought.

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    28 super rich guests and fifty four crew. I wonder if that’s just basic ship’s crew and doesn’t include wait staff, masseuses, pet handlers, doctor, nurses, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmd View Post
    Rob: No, there is valid hydrodynamic efficiency reasons for the big bulb. Most are shorter and a different shape due to variations in ship speed, ease of docking and undocking, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeG View Post
    28 super rich guests and fifty four crew. I wonder if that’s just basic ship’s crew and doesn’t include wait staff, masseuses, pet handlers, doctor, nurses, etc.
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