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    Diving into any wreck is dangerous. Diving to search an inverted yacht in open ocean would be close to suicidal. Even inspecting a hull in calm water is risky as it only takes a bit of chop or wake to cause the hull to smack your head. But in water of that clarity, you could safely dive down 10m or so from the boat and see clearly what remains on deck. Just a mask would be enough gear.

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    Not a whole lot of area for the keel to hang onto. I understand the difficulty of salvaging something like this but it sure would be nice to have it to figure out what went wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stromborg View Post


    Not a whole lot of area for the keel to hang onto. I understand the difficulty of salvaging something like this but it sure would be nice to have it to figure out what went wrong.
    Quite an interesting pattern of failure.
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    Elucidate please ACB ...have I missed something ?
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    Notice the rust around the aft bolt hole. Someone on Sailing Anarchy said that whenever they tensioned the backstay to 2K lbs on a similar boat, that bolt leaked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy View Post
    Elucidate please ACB ...have I missed something ?
    Gareth got it. The rust around the aft bolt hole. Those were presumably s/s bolts. It indicates that something was seriously amiss with that bolt.

    And the keel seems to have ripped a strip of roving with it as it went, indicating that the roving was bonded to the keel.
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    Or the last couple of bolts took some keelson (to use a wood boat term) with them, as well as some roving.

    Either way, loosing the keel like that is not conducive to an orderly abandon ship procedure.

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    The rust might be an indication that some unsuitable material was used by the people who supplied the keelbolts.The keel peeling off a section of the outer laminate is an indication that the bedding material could have been very strong and is it a foam cored hull?Peeling a laminate from foam is likely to be easier than removing a strip of material from a monolithic laminate.I would imagine that questions will be asked about the maintenance regime that had been in effect,sadly too late for the delivery crew.I'm a little surprised that the hull was still on the surface for the photograph given the negative buoyancy of GRP and the hardware that would have been fitted.Presumably the volume of wood and foam would have been responsible as the holes in the bottom would have let any air freely escape.

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    Must surely be foam core.

    Not the best advert for the builders.
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    Would there be holes in the bottom? I assumed the bolts broke rather than pulled through.

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    No foam core on the bottom.

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    I wonder if it had been repaired at some time. If rovings etc. had been used as part of a bonding process, you'd think that would have been applied right around the keel. It looks as if there might have been a gap near the centre of the keel and someone's bogged that up, either when the keel was installed or later. Easy to say now, of course, but the whole setup looks weak.

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    From the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40609661
    The boss of a yachting firm has been found guilty of failing to ensure the safety of a boat which capsized in the Atlantic with the loss of four lives.
    Douglas Innes had been responsible for the Cheeki Rafiki, which lost its keel 700 miles off Nova Scotia in May 2014.
    His company, Stormforce Coaching, was also convicted of the same charge.
    The jury at Winchester Crown Court was discharged after failing to reach verdicts on four manslaughter charges, which will be the subject of a retrial.
    The guilty verdicts on the safety charges were by a majority of 10-1.
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    This is pf course an American website but I'll just mention that the editiorial team of the British ybw.com website have "pulled" all commentary on the trial as there is to be a retrial on the manslaughter charges, so the matter is still sub judice. As a British citizen I will therefore not comment although I do have some views. Nothing to stop others doing as they see fit.
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    Restriction now lifted - argue away!
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