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    I'm going with the invasion theory, a ploy to get war ships into the south eastern Indian ocean while they have other war ships running a training exercise in the western pacific....
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Do you have the winds, light parameters, etc for that southern arc, to be able to say that with 100% certainty?

    I see that the pressure is back on the Malaysians over delays. We could have been searching that arc five days earlier, had they been half smart.

    Meanwhile... its now 14 days. How many years until the hostage scenario drops a tad in your view?
    The A/C departed Kuala Lumpur at 00:41 the satellite chart is from 08:11 that's 7 1/2 hours which is longer than the plane had fuel for.

    As previously stated, I expect the terrorists will make their existence known after the search ends or when the wreckage is found on land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Tilt View Post
    The A/C departed Kuala Lumpur at 00:41 the satellite chart is from 08:11 that's 7 1/2 hours which is longer than the plane had fuel for.

    As previously stated, I expect the terrorists will make their existence known after the search ends or when the wreckage is found on land.
    I'm not interested in the time of the satellite chart... I'm interested in the timing of the communications "blips" from the aircraft.
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    This is what the Malaysians said about ACARS

    2. ACARS 飞机通信寻址和报告系统
    I would like to clarify what has been said about ACARS and the sequence of events before the air turn back.
    我想要针对飞机通信寻址和报告系统以及飞机传回信号前的情况加以说明。

    On Saturday, we stated that – and I quote –
    “Based on new satellite information, we can say with a high degree of certainty that the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) was disabled just before the aircraft reached the East coast of peninsular Malaysia. Shortly afterwards, near the border between Malaysian and Vietnamese air traffic control, the aircraft’s transponder was switched off.”
    在周六,我们表示——引用——
    “根据新的卫星信息,我们可以肯定地说,在飞机即将到达马来西亚东海岸之前,飞机通信寻址和报告系统被禁用 了。不久后,在马来西亚和越南的空中交通管制之间的边界附近,飞机的应答机被关掉了。”

    These findings were drafted together with representatives from the lead international investigators, based on the information available at the time.
    根据当时可用的信息,我们与牵头的国际调查员共同起草了以上发现。

    Yesterday Malaysia Airlines clarified that we cannot determine exactly when ACARS had been disabled, only that it occurred within a specific time range: from 01:07 – approximately when the aircraft reached the east coast of peninsular Malaysia, and the last ACARS transmission occurred – to 01:37, which was the next scheduled reporting time. That is indeed the case.
    昨天,马来西亚航空公司澄清到,我们无法确定飞机通信寻址和报告系统失效的准确时间,只知道它是在确定的时 间段里发生的,即从01:07开始,大约是飞机到达马来西亚东海岸的时候,这也是飞机通信寻址和报告系统最 后传回消息的时候,到01:37结束,即下一次预定的报告时间。这就是真实的情况。

    This does not change our belief, as stated, that up until the point at which it left military primary radar coverage, the aircraft’s movements were consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane. That remains the position of the investigating team.
    这不会改变我们的想法,即在飞机离开海军雷达覆盖范围之前,它的行动被机上某些人员的蓄意行为所控制。这仍 然是调查小组的立场。

    It is also important to recognise that the precise time ACARS was disabled has no bearing on the search and rescue operation. We know that the last known position of the plane as confirmed by the international investigations team was in either the northern or southern corridors, which is where our search and rescue efforts are focused. Our priority has always been to find the plane.
    清楚地认识到飞机通信寻址和报告系统失效的准确时间与搜救工作无关。我们知道,国际调查小组所确定的飞机最 后已知位置不是在北部走廊就是在南部走廊,这正是我们开展搜救工作的重点区域。我们的首要任务一直都是找到 飞机。
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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Tilt View Post
    The A/C departed Kuala Lumpur at 00:41 the satellite chart is from 08:11 that's 7 1/2 hours which is longer than the plane had fuel for.

    As previously stated, I expect the terrorists will make their existence known after the search ends or when the wreckage is found on land.
    Are you familiar with Occams razor? A large jet plane disappearing in one of the most militarised, surveilled parts of the world, is not the most likely explanation. It would make for a better Hollywood movie than the southern ocean version though. It has more scope for guns, explosions and Matt Damon as the plucky New Zealander who manages to evade the terrorists to set off one of the life raft epirbs. Except he'd have an awful accent, and would talk about coming from North Island, instead of the North Island. Its a subtle difference, and something that Hollywood never gets right.
    None of this idle speculation really helps the families, does it. They seem to be getting more than enough of that from the Malaysian government.

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    I think the Kiwis did it............ya just cant trust em'

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    Quote Originally Posted by slug View Post
    I think the Kiwis did it............ya just cant trust em'
    It was The Penguins......."Smile and wave, boys. Smile and wave."


    Back to reality......if......if......the plane is discovered in The Southern Ocean there's going to be a very freaked out grieving widow in Perth W.A..
    We don't know how lucky we are....

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    Quote Originally Posted by slug View Post
    I think the Kiwis did it............ya just cant trust em'
    By jove... I think you've nailed it. They have snuck in here


    Assets deployed
    The search for MH370 is a multinational effort. I will now give you an update on the assets which have been deployed.
    During the course of this operation, the Chief of the Defence Force has spoken to his counterparts from countries including:
    • Australia
    • China
    • India
    • Indonesia
    • Japan
    • Maldives
    • Nepal
    • New Zealand
    • Singapore
    • Thailand
    • Vietnam
    • The UK
    • And the USA.
    All were very supportive, and all offered their assistance. As the focus of the search has moved from the South China Sea and Straits of Malacca to the northern and southern corridors, our international partners have continued to provide whatever support they can.
    A number of assets have been deployed at different phases of the search and rescue operation.
    Currently, there are 18 ships, 29 aircraft and 6 ship-borne helicopters deployed along the northern and southern corridors, as follows:
    Aircraft
    In the northern corridor, there are 4 aircraft:
    • 2 from Malaysia
    • 1 from Japan
    • And 1 from the US.
    In the southern corridor, there are 25 aircraft:
    • 2 from Malaysia
    • 5 from Australia
    • 3 from China
    • 4 from Indonesia
    • 2 from India
    • 4 from Japan
    • 1 from New Zealand
    • 2 from South Korea
    • 1 from the UAE
    • And 1 from the USA.
    Ships
    All 18 ships are in the southern corridor:
    • 6 from Malaysia
    • 1 from Australia
    • 5 from China
    • And 6 from Indonesia.
    This deployment includes 6 helicopters:
    • 3 from Malaysia, and 3 from China.
    Until we are certain that we have located MH370, search and rescue operations will continue in both corridors. I can confirm that Malaysia is sending 2 aircraft to Kazakhstan, and the UK is planning to send 1 ship to the southern corridor.
    In addition to the assets I just listed above, a number of countries in the northern corridor are carrying out search and rescue operations within their own territory:
    • China is using every means possible, including 21 satellites, to search the area within its borders, and is ready to send more ships and aircraft wherever they are needed.
    • In Cambodia, 4 helicopters are conducting search operations within Cambodian territory.
    • The Laos Air Force is carrying out search operations within Laos.
    • Singapore are using their International Information Fusion Centre, where a Malaysian representative is stationed, to notify mariners and help with the search.
    • The Thai military are conducting search operations in the northern part of Thailand with all available aircraft.
    • And Vietnam are conducting search operations within their territory using an unspecified number of aircraft.
    Together this represents a significant international force deployment. I am thankful for the co-operation of our partners as we continue to focus on finding MH370.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanz View Post
    Not for the nose wheel? And the people that fly them don't know this? So the crew looks for a cockpit fire and can't know that's not what it is?
    There are lots of things about aircraft systems that pilots don't know. I know we have no nose wheel well fire detection on out aircraft, whether it is an available option I don't know, but I've not seen it on any other type aircraft so my guess is it isn't available.

    Honestly it's very difficult to remember exact configuration of systems on machines this complicated. If I have given answers related to technical specs on the aircraft most of the time I did actual research to double check, especially if read something that doesn't sound right.
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    Very strange event. Huge search by the best and brightest.

    Perhaps they never discover what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slug View Post
    Very strange event. Huge search by the best and brightest.

    Perhaps they never discover what happened.
    That's possible. I hope not since the data is vital regardless of what happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    I'm not interested in the time of the satellite chart... I'm interested in the timing of the communications "blips" from the aircraft.
    The Satellite chart IS a blip from the aircraft which was received by the satellite at 08:11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slug View Post
    Very strange event. Huge search by the best and brightest.

    Perhaps they never discover what happened.
    They will not discover anything where they're making such a big show of looking.

    The satellites and drones MAY discover something, but it will be on the northern arc into Asia.

    When they declare that they "may never find anything' they may be trying to deny the bad guys credit for a hijacking, by sticking to an airborne accident story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    By jove... I think you've nailed it. They have snuck in here


    Assets deployed
    The search for MH370 is a multinational effort. I will now give you an update on the assets which have been deployed.
    During the course of this operation, the Chief of the Defence Force has spoken to his counterparts from countries including:
    • Australia
    • China
    • India
    • Indonesia
    • Japan
    • Maldives
    • Nepal
    • New Zealand
    • Singapore
    • Thailand
    • Vietnam
    • The UK
    • And the USA.
    All were very supportive, and all offered their assistance. As the focus of the search has moved from the South China Sea and Straits of Malacca to the northern and southern corridors, our international partners have continued to provide whatever support they can.
    A number of assets have been deployed at different phases of the search and rescue operation.
    Currently, there are 18 ships, 29 aircraft and 6 ship-borne helicopters deployed along the northern and southern corridors, as follows:
    Aircraft
    In the northern corridor, there are 4 aircraft:
    • 2 from Malaysia
    • 1 from Japan
    • And 1 from the US.
    In the southern corridor, there are 25 aircraft:
    • 2 from Malaysia
    • 5 from Australia
    • 3 from China
    • 4 from Indonesia
    • 2 from India
    • 4 from Japan
    • 1 from New Zealand
    • 2 from South Korea
    • 1 from the UAE
    • And 1 from the USA.
    Ships
    All 18 ships are in the southern corridor:
    • 6 from Malaysia
    • 1 from Australia
    • 5 from China
    • And 6 from Indonesia.
    This deployment includes 6 helicopters:
    • 3 from Malaysia, and 3 from China.
    Until we are certain that we have located MH370, search and rescue operations will continue in both corridors. I can confirm that Malaysia is sending 2 aircraft to Kazakhstan, and the UK is planning to send 1 ship to the southern corridor.
    In addition to the assets I just listed above, a number of countries in the northern corridor are carrying out search and rescue operations within their own territory:
    • China is using every means possible, including 21 satellites, to search the area within its borders, and is ready to send more ships and aircraft wherever they are needed.
    • In Cambodia, 4 helicopters are conducting search operations within Cambodian territory.
    • The Laos Air Force is carrying out search operations within Laos.
    • Singapore are using their International Information Fusion Centre, where a Malaysian representative is stationed, to notify mariners and help with the search.
    • The Thai military are conducting search operations in the northern part of Thailand with all available aircraft.
    • And Vietnam are conducting search operations within their territory using an unspecified number of aircraft.
    Together this represents a significant international force deployment. I am thankful for the co-operation of our partners as we continue to focus on finding MH370.

    A long and yet incomplete list.

    American Black assets are not included.

    We know US satellites are being used in the search but none are listed and neither are drones.

    I don't suppose this was an oversight, no pun intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Tilt View Post
    The Satellite chart IS a blip from the aircraft which was received by the satellite at 08:11.
    So, how many blips, received when? That'd be a chart
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    Quote Originally Posted by epoxyboy View Post
    Are you familiar with Occams razor? A large jet plane disappearing in one of the most militarised, surveilled parts of the world, is not the most likely explanation. It would make for a better Hollywood movie than the southern ocean version though. It has more scope for guns, explosions and Matt Damon as the plucky New Zealander who manages to evade the terrorists to set off one of the life raft epirbs. Except he'd have an awful accent, and would talk about coming from North Island, instead of the North Island. Its a subtle difference, and something that Hollywood never gets right.
    None of this idle speculation really helps the families, does it. They seem to be getting more than enough of that from the Malaysian government.

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    The simplest explanation for the events we know occurred IS a human hand and that hand I believe had criminal intent.

    A convoluted chain of events which allows for the A/C making no effort to notify controllers on the ground of their emergency is against concepts of simplicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    So, how many blips, received when? That'd be a chart

    Eh?

    That would be a FIX!

    One blip gave us the LOP which we see as two arc's on the satellite chart.

    The time it was produced is of key importance.

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    Full tilt, you are wrong, according to a representative of IMSARAT whose system sends the 'pings' ....there cannot be any pings when the engines are shut down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bahma View Post
    Full tilt, you are wrong, according to a representative of IMSARAT whose system sends the 'pings' ....there cannot be any pings when the engines are shut down.

    Interesting theory. I'd like to hear more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bahma View Post
    Full tilt, you are wrong, according to a representative of IMSARAT whose system sends the 'pings' ....there cannot be any pings when the engines are shut down.

    The best piece of information we have is the satellite chart.

    It was created 7 1/2 hours after takeoff when the aircraft was expected to be out of fuel.

    It is simplistic to say, "Full Tilt, you are wrong ".

    There definitely was a signal and at a time when the engines were "likely" to be out of fuel.

    DON'T throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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    If they are anything like the engine monitoring systems in other industries, such as MTU in the marine industry which I expect they are, the pings are sending engine reading data based only on changes registered by the various monitoring points on the engine, such as manifold pressure, fuel rack settings etc. They only register and transmit a change, which may be quite a lot of changes in any given period, but if the engine is shut down there are no monitoring points active and nothing to read so no changes to register and therefore send.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    If they are anything like the engine monitoring systems in other industries, such as MTU in the marine industry which I expect they are, the pings are sending engine reading data based only on changes registered by the various monitoring points on the engine, such as manifold pressure, fuel rack settings etc. They only register and transmit a change, which may be quite a lot of changes in any given period, but if the engine is shut down there are no monitoring points active and nothing to read so no changes to register and therefore send.
    I "expect" your experience with marine engines in this case is quite irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Tilt View Post
    I "expect" your experience with marine engines in this case is quite irrelevant.
    I doubt it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Tilt View Post
    I "expect" your experience with marine engines in this case is quite irrelevant.
    Probably more relevant to this case than your fantasy movie experiance. What's next, the plane sank but remained pressurized with the hijacked passengers alive inside? Just like the 747 in one of the Airport movies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bahma View Post
    Full tilt, you are wrong, according to a representative of IMSARAT whose system sends the 'pings' ....there cannot be any pings when the engines are shut down.

    BTW,

    Ain't no such thing as "Im's a rat".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    If they are anything like the engine monitoring systems in other industries, such as MTU in the marine industry which I expect they are, the pings are sending engine reading data based only on changes registered by the various monitoring points on the engine, such as manifold pressure, fuel rack settings etc. They only register and transmit a change, which may be quite a lot of changes in any given period, but if the engine is shut down there are no monitoring points active and nothing to read so no changes to register and therefore send.
    Sure...marine systems on high tech vessels are monitored and this data is supplied to the engine maker or management company ashore. I have no experience, so I cant tell you if the data is gathered, stored then sent or sent via inmarsat in real time.

    as you know everything is possible. On an aircraft this is also possible...if you subscribe to the service. Evidently real time data via inmarsat it is not mandatory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slug View Post
    . I have no experience, so I cant tell you if the data is gathered, stored then sent or sent via inmarsat in real time.

    why comment if you don't know after I've just described how they do??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Tilt View Post
    A long and yet incomplete list.

    American Black assets are not included. . . .
    Thats why their called black assets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    why comment if you don't know after I've just described how they do??

    You asked if MTU has data acquisition and reporting and I told you that they do .

    shall I tell you again, shall I tell you once agian that this service is bought by the client .

    i have an inmarsat terminal and can transmit any data that I choose.

    What is your experience with inmarsat and MTU ?

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    Default Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200 Missing...

    I have a question regarding the controls on a plane like this. Could the flight systems be hacked into in such a way that the plane could be flown remotely from the ground?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Woodward View Post
    I have a question regarding the controls on a plane like this. Could the flight systems be hacked into in such a way that the plane could be flown remotely from the ground?

    Who's been watching too much TV now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Woodward View Post
    I have a question regarding the controls on a plane like this. Could the flight systems be hacked into in such a way that the plane could be flown remotely from the ground?
    No. many of the controlls necessary have no automatic function. There is no provision for any kind of remote access to autopilot either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Woodward View Post
    I have a question regarding the controls on a plane like this. Could the flight systems be hacked into in such a way that the plane could be flown remotely from the ground?
    Not that I'm aware of. However, even if they were, the solution would be to turn them off and fly the plane manually. The most modern plane can be dumbed down to a pilot with his/her hands on the controls and throttles.

    edited to add: in addition, these systems can only follow a lateral track. Pilot action is always required to initiate a climb or descent. A preprogrammed climb or descent POINT can be programmed, but nothing will happen upon reaching that point until the crew initiates it.
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    I'm sure you guy's will figure it out eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Tilt View Post
    Who's been watching too much TV now
    Yes, of course. Your questions and musings are all reasonable, but his question is the result of too much tv.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CK 17 View Post
    Not that I'm aware of. However, even if they were, the solution would be to turn them off and fly the plane manually. The most modern plane can be dumbed down to a pilot with his/her hands on the controls and throttles.

    edited to add: in addition, these systems can only follow a lateral track. Pilot action is always required to initiate a climb or descent. A preprogrammed climb or descent POINT can be programmed, but nothing will happen upon reaching that point until the crew initiates it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wilkinson View Post
    No. many of the controlls necessary have no automatic function. There is no provision for any kind of remote access to autopilot either.
    Thank you

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    Can communicate across oceans with other cetaceans.



    Has to know the whereabouts of the TRANSPONDER within 5000' to detect it's presence!!!

    ROTFLMAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by full tilt View Post


    can't fly.



    can fly.

    Rotflmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by slug View Post
    You asked if MTU has data acquisition and reporting and I told you that they do .

    shall I tell you again, shall I tell you once agian that this service is bought by the client .

    i have an inmarsat terminal and can transmit any data that I choose.

    What is your experience with inmarsat and MTU ?
    Is this the twilight zone or something?? I didn't ask anything about MTU Slug, perhaps clean your glasses and go and have another read mate. And I can pretty confidently guarantee you that I know a bit more about MTU and their data logging and monitoring than you do.

    Originally Posted by slug
    . I have no experience, so I cant tell you if the data is gathered, stored then sent or sent via inmarsat in real time.
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    I've been following Mr. Tilt's analysis as closely as possible, and of course it's very convincing, as far as I understand it, but I have another theory:

    The whole missing-airplane thing is a diversion. The plane was hijacked, by the pilots or some flight-savvy passengers or whoever. They did some squirrely maneuvers (U-turn, off to the right, etc.) to discombobulate the traffic folk, and then took off South, emitting the occasional seductive bleep, and flew 'til they were out of fuel and crashed. Perhaps the perps were able to escape in yellow life rafts, perhaps not. Who cares?

    Meanwhile, while most of the world's electronic and hardware attention is focused on the missing airplane, some nefarious activity in another part of the world, which might otherwise have been twigged by surveillance and stopped, is now coming to fruition.

    The main attraction of this theory is that, overall, it can't be refuted, whatever happens; the details of the aircraft's perambulations are irrelevant. The notion that a nefarious activity (select your favorite) has taken place will notch up the terror quotient significantly, and justify whatever future surveillance and intrusion into any part of the world that authorities might wish to pursue in the future.
    What's his best time in the calf scramble?

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    You've been holding out on us.

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    It actually works much better that way. / Jim

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    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...icle-1.1727815

    I've never seen so much back pedalling and couching of claims as what's happening now in describing this search of nowhere .

    "It might not be a piece of MH370" is the biggest understatement in this farcical Red Herring of a search. They're not going to find anything.

    I can accept a certain amount of deception from our security services, it comes with the territory,

    but what's hard for me to accept is the price the loved ones are paying by being lied to about the "likelihood" of their husbands and wives,

    brothers and sisters and mothers and fathers being lost at sea.

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    How long did it take to actually find the black boxes from the wreckage of The Air France 330? Two years. And they knew where that plane crashed.

    You're worse than a little kid. "I want answers and I want them now" is the attitude you seem to display. Spoiled by quick acces to information. The world is a big place to search, especially the oceans, and you apparently expect miracles from a dearth of information.

    Couching of claims is more necessary than ever in todays world as evidenced by your response to me when I said VHF and comm circuit breakers are "typically located in the flight deck. I wanted time to research it to be sure. I was correct in my recollection but had I not couched that claim and been wrong, you certainly would have been all over it, so without certainty sometimes that's the best answer that can be given.
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    I think it's sadistic to hold out false hope to those left behind. They have to be going through hell. There is always a chance for a miracle, I'd be happy to see it, but it is wrong to string those poor people along on the slim chance thier loved ones are alive.
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    It's, it's it's.... the ......GYRE!!!

    That Aussie PM was so sure of 'imself when he told the world about the "substantiative" satellite photo evidence of the wreckage.

    Now it's becoming clear we are being prepared for a let down.

    The next news will be about how "impossible" the chance of finding wreckage, even though "we're sure it's there".

    They can't keep it up much longer.

    Wait for it.

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    Give him a day or two, he'll go back to being a nuclear power expert.
    Ratus ratus bilgeous snipeous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wright View Post
    As long as Full Tilt's imagination is running wild and he's so obsessively interested in aviation details, I just had a sweet thought:

    Full Tilt locked in a dungeon with all of the 777 electrical schematics, a big stack of the them off in a pile in a corner. He's given three simple troubleshooting questions to answer, and a yellow magic marker to outline his answers on the relevant schematic sheets. If he gets the correct answers the door opens and he's free to leave. Wrong answers and he stays put and we never hear from him again.
    Got yer pink slip from Boing too, did ya?

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    Finally, DRONES!!!


    Wolff Blitzer has just explained to America that Submersible Vehicles are really just "Underwater Drones". LOL

    You couldn't write this stuff!

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