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    Hoy.

    Does anyone know, has anyone ever done a Chappelle-type taking down of lines from traditional boats from the east coast of Canada? Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, PEI and Quebec had some real beauties! Or where offsets could be got for these vessels? I'm looking through a book called 'The Little Boats, Inshore Fishing Craft of Atlantic Canada', by Ray MacKean and Robert Percival. It's a great book. I'm very much interested in the Gaspe and Nova Scotia Pink Schooners. But there are so many beauties: The Sailing Sardine Carrier, St Margaret's Bay Skiff, Bush Island Boat (double ender and square stern), PEI Shallop, Lunenburg Trap Skiff, St John Harbour of course the Tancook Whaler and Newfoundland Skiff, many more I'm sure. Any thoughts, ideas, leads?

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    (edited - Thanks for correcting the museum's name, below, mmd.!)
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    Boat Building in Winterton by David A. Taylor
    has lots of pictures, text and an appendix of offsets for a rodney, a rodney-speedboat, and a motorboat.

    No lines or offsets, but various boats are pictured in 'Small Wooden Boats of the Atlantic' as well.
    For example, here's the tub punt pages (as well as the others):
    http://books.google.ca/books?id=uZq3...0digby&f=false
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    Try the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic in Halifax. And add the early Cape Island boats to your list - they are gorgeous. One of these days I'm gonna get time to go to the Lahave Islands Museum and take the lines from the Bush Island Boat that they have on display...
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    I believe there's a square stern bush island boat parked in Spectacle Island Cove in Purcell's Cove in Halifax. I'll try the museums. I'm really interested in the Nova Scotia and Gaspe pinks featured in 'The Little Boats'. I've got reproductions of the newfoundland boats from the Smithsonian and the Tancook whaler! What a beaut! A fellow I worked with built one and in my opinion, few vessels achieve such perfection.

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    This is the Bush Island double-ender in the Lahave Islands Museum:

    - <didn't work - sorry>-

    I have a set of lines taken from a working Newfoundland trap skiff (a real one, not a "gentrified" pleasureboat version) in Flat Rock, NL 1981. The Newfoundland Wooden Boat Museum in Winterton, NL might have data on trap skiffs, rodneys, and other local boat types. You could also check with The Rooms in St. John's.

    (Ooops! the pic isn't coming through - I'll see if I can fix that...mmd)

    (More oooops! I can't fix the pic thing, so here's the link to the museum: http://www.lahaveislandsmarinemuseum.ca/ )
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    Michael…thx for the link re the ‘Vera Mae’ - a shapely craft indeed.
    One can easily get in contact with master builder Jerome Canning (an old compadre of Michael) on Facebook under the group title “Wooden Boat Museum of Newfoundland & Labrador”. Jerome just finished a commission project on the Black Island punt. He is currently doing the lines from a model of a traditional NF Western Boat, an extremely seaworthy sailing craft of medium tonnage that fished the rough waters off Cape St Mary’s. This craft was also referred to as Cape Boat or ‘Galloper’, the latter moniker a reflection of her reputation for speed.

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    "I'm very much interested in the Gaspe and Nova Scotia Pink Schooners" .... "and the Tancook whaler! What a beaut! A fellow I worked with built one and in my opinion, few vessels achieve such perfection. "


    This pinked schooner was supposedly based on the Tancook whaler hull and built on Hornby Island in the early 70's.



    I had the good fortune to be working with Tony Latimer during the lofting through set-up phases of his 48' LOD schooner based on similar lines to these. Wicked slippery hull forms.



    Rachel S was still around here. If I see her owner again I can ask about lines, offsets. / Jim

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    Not quite what your looking for, but a couple of good reads on the subject.

    http://books.google.ca/books/about/T...d=KpfEYTIVJhAC

    http://books.google.ca/books?id=yoOo...ed=0CDcQ6wEwAA

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    Maine Maritime Museum has plans of the Vernon Langille, a reproduction of a Tancook Whaler. See page 5 of their plans catalog.

    http://www.mainemaritimemueum.org/me...anscatalog.pdf

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    The Newfoundland Wooden Boat Museum in Winterton has lines of several traditional boats of Newfoundland.

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    /http://www.mainemaritimemuseum.org/shop/product/the-tancook-whalers-origins-rediscovery-and-revival-by-robert-c-post/
    Lines (no offsets) of several Tancook Whalers in The Tancook Whalers Origins, Rediscovery, and Revival by Robert C. Post, Maine Maritime Museum, 1985. Available from Maine Maritime Museum for $3.00.

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    From a distance (in Oz) I identify the area with schooners of this type, from reading and looking..........or maybe I'm just always looking at schooners.
    Nevertheless, they're pretty good lookin' schooners

    http://lunenburgschooners.com/



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    That must be an old pic. The twin schooner project has launched and sold one of those boats. Saw her in the water near that site last summer. She's a beautiful boat. Whoever gets the other one will have a beautiful boat as well. That's the barque Picton Castle in the background on the left. On the right.... wow, she sank a few years ago now. I wonder when that picture was taken.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    That must be an old pic. The twin schooner project has launched and sold one of those boats. Saw her in the water near that site last summer. She's a beautiful boat. Whoever gets the other one will have a beautiful boat as well. That's the barque Picton Castle in the background on the left. On the right.... wow, she sank a few years ago now. I wonder when that picture was taken.....
    Probably very early 2012. I had seen them (on the net) at early framing stage when I was looking at just about every schooner design in that size range that I could find out about. The frames looked great and certainly reflect the lovely hulls seen later in this picture, but eventually I fell for a clipper bow design. I had even studied the picture on the cover of "The Boat that Wouldn't Float", trying to figure lines etc... .
    These twin schooners seem to sit slightly higher in the water aft than I thought they would, being the opposite to some pictures of M. Peterson coaster schooners which at times seem like they need to trim up in the aft a little bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sayla View Post
    Probably very early 2012.


    The twin hulls were planked, caulked and faired in the spring of 2012

    http://lunenburgschooners.com/the-schooner-project/

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    The trouble with offsets from NL boats is the models were handed down generation to generation, with everyone on the way adding their own ideas. There were thousands of half models carved, few of them ever being built. They were the equivalent of playing with a cad program, wish boats. When you asked a builder for the measurements of his boat this was what you got, verbal, usually in this order, length over all, max beam, fore hook, afterhook, counter and depth amidship top of keel to top of rail. If you could not remember what you were told or needed more it was determined you couldn't use the information and talking to you was a waste of time. I have that sort of information, to date, too lazy to translate into lines drawings.

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    David Walker ( co author of Small Wooden Boats) was research associate working for Maritime Museum of the Atlantic and I think much of his work is there, including drawings. Paul Gartside who is now living in Nova Scotia has been taking off lines of local half models there.
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    Here's more what I'm thinking about:

    http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/ColePinky.jpg

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    38' Tancook
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    Love the Tancook whalers. I just met with the curator of the Maritime Museum in Halifax .
    They have drawings of Dove. And the work of David Walker is available to browse, but he
    didnt have the funding to actually tKe down lines from the survey of Nova Scotian boats that
    he did.

    thd search continues. Maybe a scaled down and modified version of the Dove ?

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    The above are lines from Fox, a Ralph Wiley design.

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    They're interesting lines. I'm interested in something a little shapelier.

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    Fox is very narrow, 9' beam and not very roomy for a 38' boat. I think Wiley designed the boat for maximum speed.

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    What type and size of boat are you looking for, Edward?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmd View Post
    What type and size of bat are you looking for, Edward?
    How about a boat like this? by Thomas Colvin.
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    Fixed the misspeelling. Thanks for the head's-up.
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    I Wooden Boat Magazine number 147 published in March 1999 there are some drawings taken off a very goodlooking Bush Island dubleender built by Michael Bush in 1930.
    The text says that complete plans are (were?) available from
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    That's about as pretty as they get.

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    Last edited by Matt young; 03-02-2018 at 01:51 PM.
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    ^Well... it's definitely a double-ender.
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    Right MMD! She doesn’t have very much back.
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    I'm not to hot on that last double ender.

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    Matt, no disrespect to Selway-Fisher, but there is not much that the Swallow design has in common with a Tancook Whaler.
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