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    anybody know anything about this
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    Default Re: malabar designed by soe, copied by alden

    Interesting but I at least, am confused by the question or need more details. What or who is 'soe'? Is there another (earlier, non-Alden) Malabar somewhere? A photo, perhaps?
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    Default Re: malabar designed by soe, copied by alden

    There were quite a few Malabars, most of which were based on the fishing schooner type developed by Thomas McManus, who actually did design a yacht about the size of the Malabars. I actually like the McManus schooner better.



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    I'll guess "soe" is "someone else". There were 13 Malabar's designed and built by the Alden firm between 1921 and 1945. They were spec builds that were sold as soon as possible to move on to the next idea. The first 3 were small (around 40' on deck) schooners based on a boat called the Lloyd W. Berry, a 60 footer modeled and built by C.A. Morse of Friendship, Maine. The first 5 Malabars were built in the Morse yard, and Morse built the XII years later. As far as I know all were drawn by Alden employees, not by John G. himself as he stopped drawing in about 1920. Dwight Simpson probably drew the Malabar 1 and many of the others, Sam Crocker and Charles MacGregor had a hand in the IV drawings.....
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    Default Re: malabar designed by soe, copied by alden

    Didn't Carl Alberg design one of the later ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnw View Post
    Didn't Carl Alberg design one of the later ones?
    Quite likely..... Alberg started at Alden in 1929 and was there for 12 years. While there he drew Tioga Two and the 39' ketch Staghound, among others.....
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    Got it. http://www.alberg30.org/CarlAlberg/ScottWallace/

    He designed Malabar XI, XII, and XIII, while working for the firm of John G. Alden Naval Architects. Note the plural. Alden wasn't claiming personal glory, he was saying his firm designed the boats. Sort of like most of the Sparkman & Stephens designs not being drawn by anyone named either Sparkman or Stephens.

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    Thanks for posting the McManus Surprise link John. Do you have any other info (outside of the McManus bio) on her?

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    Default Re: malabar designed by soe, copied by alden

    Well, if you've got this book, you know as much as I do about it.



    Mine's in storage, so I can't look at that part of it and tell you more. I'm gratified to know she's still in service.

    If I recall correctly, that book reprints the boat's lines.

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    Yep that's the one. I'll dig it out tomorrow and renew my fading memory. That's cool that she is still sailing. Thanks for the link!

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    thanks guys, i read it was a belgian pilot ketch, i think g soe was french
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    I don't think you have to go that far. The Malabars were very much a yachtification of New England and Canadian fishing schooners of the time, both the big Grand Banks schooners, and some of the smaller ones that didn't go so far afield. McManus was an influential designer of them, but certainly wasn't the only one. He was unique in that he was not a builder, but a fish merchant. Most were designed by builders, who didn't sell or publish plans, and probably went straight from half models to the loft floor.

    I had the privilege of sailing on one as a youth, that still had some of the fish bins in the hold, with a few scales still stuck to the ceiling.

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    Default Re: malabar designed by soe, copied by alden

    Quote Originally Posted by peter radclyffe View Post
    thanks guys, i read it was a belgian pilot ketch, i think g soe was french

    Could that be William Roue? If so, he was the designer of the the Canadian Grand Banks schooner "Bluenose". As mentioned, Grand Banks schooners would have been the prime influence on the Alden designs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter radclyffe View Post
    thanks guys, i read it was a belgian pilot ketch, i think g soe was french
    This guy? http://books.google.com/books?id=lS2...hitect&f=false

    I don't think so. McManus introduced the spoon bow to the Grand Banks fleet in 1891, the same year Herreshoff introduced that bow to the yachting fleet. McManus was trying to get rid of the bowsprits, which he viewed as unsafe. The spoon bow caught on, the knockabout schooner not so much.

    If you're thinking of the ketch Malabars Alberg designed, keep in mind they came out after Dorade, which may have had some of her influence. Alberg was a Swede, so he's more likely to have been influenced by designs from his own country than from Belgium.

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    Default Re: malabar designed by soe, copied by alden

    Reviving this old thread only because I happen to be in the process of buying a Malabar Junior and in my research ran across a few paragraphs from a book "The American Sailboat" (Gregory Jones). In it, he mentions that Carl Alberg was on the Alden team and drew the lines for the Malabar X1, the first of the yawl or ketch rigged Malabars.

    There were several different designs for the smallest Malabars - the Malabar "Juniors", starting with design number 243 at 29.5'. According to this book, the last design - number 762, was drawn by Alberg in 1944 and grew to 32.5'. Eighteen were built by various builders - mine is hull "G", built in Tacoma, WA in 1949. I can certainly see the resemblance between these later Alberg Malabar Juniors and the early Pearson Alberg designs like the Triton.

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