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    Default Do you think Russia will send troops into the Ukraine?

    1. The Ukraine is having civil unrest.
    2. The unrest is spreading outside the capital.
    3. The western powers are weak.
    4. The Russian Foreign Minister is blaming the EU for the problems.

    Russia's Sergei Lavrov: Ukraine getting 'out of control'
    Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has warned that protests in Ukraine are "getting out of control".
    He described violent clashes between anti-government protesters and police as "scary" and accused EU politicians of stirring up the situation.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25823091


    What do you think?

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    Of course they will what with the Sochi Olympics right around the corner.

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    If there is a terrorist attack that makes Putin's security measures (and him) look bad, Putin will go in there and level the place.
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    another benghazi

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    Default Re: Do you think Russia will send troops into the Ukraine?

    Eh?
    It's about spheres of influence and buffer states for Putin, just as it always is. Why do you think the US got so upset by Cuba? And invaded Panama? (And I do remember the missile crisis)

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Eh?
    It's about spheres of influence and buffer states for Putin, just as it always is. Why do you think the US got so upset by Cuba? And invaded Panama? (And I do remember the missile crisis)
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    A terrorist attack at Sochi would give Putin a United Nations santioned Cart Blanche blow upon the islamic insergents 7 terrorist which are crowding ural caucasus regions. The western media is already fearful of the famed black widows.
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    No. All hell would break loose for him internationally.


    Cease fire today, BTW.

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    I'm sure if he does, it'll make Obama look bad somehow. So it's a win-win for Putin and the American reds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Hoppe View Post
    A terrorist attack at Sochi would give Putin a United Nations santioned Cart Blanche blow upon the islamic insergents 7 terrorist which are crowding ural caucasus regions. The western media is already fearful of the famed black widows.
    I don't think he needs any excuse to do that, the Russians have been killing "insurgents"( or perhaps you could call them defenders of their respective homelands?) for the last 20 years. The black widows are an entirely predictable response from people who have been hammered for generations.
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    Where do rioters in Kiev get aluminum baseball bats?


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    I can see one, perhaps he plays base ball?
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    Before you rush to judgement, read some of the Stratfor articles on that part of the world. It's worse than the Middle East with all the different ethnic groups, religious beliefs and age old animosities. Putin is more along the lines of a strong man. We hate those types, but they often keep the lid on which is what most of the people want more than "democracy", whatever that would mean in their neck of the woods. If Russia were to disappear tomorrow the power vacuum left behind would make the conflicts in the Middle East look like pillow fights.

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    Putin sending the army in would just kill a lot of innocent people, make more refugees and more resistance fighters/terrorists*. But I don't expect that to deter him.

    (* depends which side you support)

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    Default Re: Do you think Russia will send troops into the Ukraine?

    No, in a word.

    Ukraine has no separatist regions within its borders and the aside from any troops along the common border with Russia there are 1200 14th Russian Army troops and about 22,000 tonnes of ammunition within the Moldovan separatist region of Transnistria which borders the Ukraine. Their primary concern is to keep the Moldovan army at bay and maintain the region from rule by Moldova.

    The political and economic price for Russia would be absurdly high and Putin would, in all likelihood, be kicked out on the back of such consequences. Putin may be a ruthless bastard, but he's not a stupid one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waddie View Post
    Before you rush to judgement, read some of the Stratfor articles on that part of the world. It's worse than the Middle East with all the different ethnic groups, religious beliefs and age old animosities.
    I thought we we're talking about the Ukraine here, right?
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    The Ukraine is half russian ,half european. Complex. The protests are all about the rejection of the bad habits inherited from Russian style government. The youth believes that aligning Ukraine with Europe will reform government and bring prosperity.

    A problem is that the Ukraine can never be European, they have to many trade and industrial links with Russia. If they break these links their economy will collapse. There is no way that Europe could come to the rescue.

    the protesters would be best to cool off and use the next elections to bring reformist leaders to power.

    In the perfect world Ukraine would become a neutral country that enjoys trade benefits with both russia and Europe.

    To pull this off your need very good government institutions.

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    I don't think people quite understand the actual size of the Black Sea Paul and the location of the Ukraine on the other side of it from Georgia, nor the relative size of Georgia compared to the Ukraine both geographically and militarily, along with the fact the Ukraine holds military exercises with NATO and contributed forces in Iraq and peacekeepers to the Balkans, nor the fact that Ukraine is pretty much white and Christian/Atheist demographically. And it borders the EU...
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    Default At least it isn't "Why is Obama screwing the pooch again?""

    Do you think Russia will send troops into the Ukraine?
    No. I have no illusions about Mr. Putin's benevolence, but he isn't stupid. He can get some of what he wants by subtler means, and the risk would be very, very high.

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    Russia will send its debt collectors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slug View Post
    Russia will send its debt collectors.
    That's too complicated: Russia will just turn off the gas. It's winter...
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    I agree, Andrew. I think that's what's behind all of this anyway. Russia doesn't have to send soldiers to the Ukraine, and the people protesting need to understand that Ukraine pretty much HAS to do what Putin wants whether they want it to be that way or not.

    The question now is how long before ALL of a large chunk of Europe has to do the same, compliments of Gazprom.

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    Ukraine needs to position itself as a gateway for Russian products into Europe and as a gateway for European products into Russia , with no military alliances.

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    Ukraine = Poland 1939?

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    Who will play the part of Germany?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slug View Post
    Ukraine needs to position itself as a gateway for Russian products into Europe and as a gateway for European products into Russia , with no military alliances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P.I. Stazzer-Newt View Post
    Like switzerland without the lumps.....
    No, that role is already taken:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore
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    Or Finland, Sweden

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    What is the Chinese position ?

    "Under the 50-year plan, China would eventually control three million hectares, an area equivalent to Belgium or Massachusetts, which represents nine per cent of Ukraine's arable land. Initially 100,000 hectares would be leased."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...f-Ukraine.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by wardd View Post
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    It is "Ukraine," not "the Ukraine." It would be like saying the Poland, or the Russia.

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    Russia may already have troops in the Ukraine

    "And everyone knows that some of (the Russian troops) are already here, but nobody wants to speak openly about it because nobody wants to fight our brothers," she said, referring to a widespread belief that members of the Russian military make up the police force and hired provocateurs trying to sabotage and subdue the protests.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...reats/5259777/

    Russian Troops Arriving in Ukraine to Battle Protesters
    http://intellihub.com/russian-troops...le-protesters/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett View Post
    That's too complicated: Russia will just turn off the gas. It's winter...

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    ^ " Embargo! "

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    Russia has always had troops in Ukraine..

    Sevastopol...similar to the American Gitmo.

    http://www.diploweb.com/Russia-s-Bla...-fleet-in.html

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    Things are heating up.

    Ukraine president to make announcement after at least 19 die in protests
    Kiev, Ukraine (CNN) -- Long-simmering tensions exploded anew in Ukraine as clashes between police and anti-government protesters left at least 19 people dead and the capital's central square afire into early Wednesday.
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/18/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Tilt View Post
    Where do rioters in Kiev get aluminum baseball bats?

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    From college teams?

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    And shoes, where do they get shoes!

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    Putin MAY do something foolish when the Olympics are over, but I think he'd bring down the wrath of the UN if he was so ill-advised to do so.

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    Just before the start of WWII the Germans used this strategy to take over a few countries.

    1. Send in some special forces to cause internal riots in a neighboring country.
    2. After the riots get going and is in the News send in troops to help keep the peace.

    This was done in Austria and Czechoslovakia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerarddm View Post
    Putin MAY do something foolish when the Olympics are over, but I think he'd bring down the wrath of the UN if he was so ill-advised to do so.
    What do you think the UN would do to Russia if they sent troops into The Ukraine?

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    Given the history of previous incitements above, and the example of Russian intervention in Afghanistan, I would think the UN would react strongly to Russian involvement to any purported 'request' by the government. Sanctions, economic boycotts, diplomatic shunning. UN miltary reply? No.

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    The russian economy is in bad shape. Resource based with Lack of foreign investment.

    Aggressive action in Ukraine that upsets the international community will not bring foriegn investment to Russia.

    Ukraine is also a major route for russian gas into europe. Destablizing this pipeline would not benfit Russia.



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    Quote Originally Posted by slug View Post
    The russian economy is in bad shape. Resource based with Lack of foreign investment.

    Aggressive action in Ukraine that upsets the international community will not bring foriegn investment to Russia.

    Ukraine is also a major route for russian gas into europe. Destablizing this pipeline would not benfit Russia.

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    This gives Russia the perfect excuse to send troops into the Ukraine.
    They can argue they are just protecting the pipelines.

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    The pipelines are Ukrainian, not Russian. The UN knows the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerarddm View Post
    The pipelines are Ukrainian, not Russian. The UN knows the difference.
    You are missing the point It does not matter who owns the pipelines.

    Russia could make it look like they are the good guy in protecting Europe’s energy supply and saving the world from another depression.

    If the EU or the UN complains then Russia only has to stage a pipeline terror attack and the west would beg Russia to get the oil flowing.

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    Big stakes in the energy sector.

    Europe could cancel the Southstream pipeline to bring russian gas to Europe . This pipeline will cross the Black Sea and not Ukraine.

    the Americans reject this pipeline and support the non russian Nabecco .

    these are enormous projects


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    Quote Originally Posted by Waddie View Post
    Before you rush to judgement, read some of the Stratfor articles on that part of the world. It's worse than the Middle East with all the different ethnic groups, religious beliefs and age old animosities. Putin is more along the lines of a strong man. We hate those types, but they often keep the lid on which is what most of the people want more than "democracy", whatever that would mean in their neck of the woods. If Russia were to disappear tomorrow the power vacuum left behind would make the conflicts in the Middle East look like pillow fights.

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    You are missing the point It does not matter who owns the pipelines.

    Russia could make it look like they are the good guy in protecting Europe’s energy supply and saving the world from another depression.

    If the EU or the UN complains then Russia only has to stage a pipeline terror attack and the west would beg Russia to get the oil flowing.

    I understand your point here. My view is that any pretext will be seen by the outside world as just that, a pretext. Putin could spin away like Clotho in her web, and it wouldn't convince anybody. I think the Russian economy is very vulnerable to economic pressures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerarddm View Post
    I understand your point here. My view is that any pretext will be seen by the outside world as just that, a pretext. Putin could spin away like Clotho in her web, and it wouldn't convince anybody. I think the Russian economy is very vulnerable to economic pressures.
    I hope you are right.

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