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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Why is the history of WA re their Aboriginal citizens, their rights and the continued destruction of their cultural sites so bad? (463 applications, and permissions to destroy Aboriginal cultural sites evidently, 463!) Oh I know it's all about money and political donations but I also wonder whether the remnant of the 'them and us' relationship with the eastern states is part of the problem. Canberra being an 'eastern state'.
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    ​"Life is under no obligation to give us what we expect." Irrfan Khan. RIP

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Why is the history of WA re their Aboriginal citizens, their rights and the continued destruction of their cultural sites so bad? (463 applications, and permissions to destroy Aboriginal cultural sites evidently, 463!) Oh I know it's all about money and political donations but I also wonder whether the remnant of the 'them and us' relationship with the eastern states is part of the problem. Canberra being an 'eastern state'.
    46,000-year-old Aboriginal heritage site destroyed by Rio Tinto this month is one of more than 463 sites that mining companies operating in Western Australia have applied for permission to destroy or disturb since 2010. None of those applications have been refused. And under the state’s 48-year-old Aboriginal heritage laws, only the land or lease holder has the right to appeal – traditional owners do not.
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    Fin. this morning musing about whether accepting donald's invitation to the G7 along with Russia will taint scomo with the same smelly brush? Of course there's the American alliance…still…. to be schmoozed, but I wouldn't want to rely on that too much at present.
    (Piece on this (Penny Wong) on RN this morning, just listening now at 8 am)
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    If I was Australia I'd be very, very non aligned right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Obviously there is serious entrenched racism here. But there's also the real problem of just straight out police brutality. I think I already mentioned a few months back my son was brutally attacked and forced to the ground by half a dozen cops as he left a pub. Simple mistaken identity. The police were way out of line.

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    ​"Life is under no obligation to give us what we expect." Irrfan Khan. RIP

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    And things like this.... about 25 seconds in - totally unnecessary.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...n-sydney-video
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    Front page of the Saturday Paper...










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    Hi, And the police commissioner makes the statment that the police officer just "had a bad bay". Try saying that to a highway patrol officer that has just stopped you for failing to indicate when changing lanes.

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    The subject of accountability and taking responsibility for ones actions comes to mind.
    So this police officer can act like a child in a mans body when he 'has a bad day' and has a little dummy spit that smashes the teeth out of a 16 year olds mouth crushing his spirit? The police comish should publicly shame tha actions of the Police Officer, admonish the behaviour as that of a child and publickly tell him to grow up or he will have no job.
    Lack of integrity in leadership and evidence of lack of maturity in both offending officer and Police leadership.
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    Hey, 800 pages. A little nod to the memory of Stevebaby, our patron.

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    He would be pleased.
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    Better than the alternative.

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    It's bizarre watching the police here and in the US. Don't laws apply to them too? Because it sure looks like they don't.
    that kid might have been a smart mouth but he was only a child. What's with pepper spraying all those people in central?
    Bad day!? What an excuse for assaulting a child. Man I get bad days, and my 10yo is bloody skilled at winding me up, but I wonder how the law would view it if I smashed his face?
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    Hmm, from another thread…..
    Early warning signs of Fascism.

    Taken from the US holocaust museum:

    -Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
    -Disdain for Human Rights
    -Identification of Enemies as an Underlying Cause
    -Supremacy of the Military
    -Controlled Mass Media
    -Religion and Government Intertwined
    -Corporate Power Protected
    -Labor Union Suppressed
    -Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    -Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    -Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    -Fraudulent Elections

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    Interesting, if to a lesser degree.

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    ^to a greater or lesser degree that describes the USA since Regan, at least.
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    Kind of makes an attractive meme, and is probably valid in relation to Trump. But in Oz? I think there are some individual far right pollies with fascist tendencies, but even they would eschew the sorts of policy espoused by Hitler. It's probably like autism. There's a spectrum and almost everyone is on it if you try hard enough.

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    Agreed, Phil but there has been a consistent push by the hard right within the Libs since the Howard years with respect to these from the above list:

    -Controlled Mass Media -Murdoch press, Bolt and the usual suspects together with the anti ABC brigade.

    -Religion and Government Intertwined - { Australian Christian Lobby - Opus Dei Catholics
    -Corporate Power Protected
    -Labor Union Suppressed
    -Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    -Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    -Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

    along with this are the moves to pass security / secrecy legislation that prosecutes whistleblowers etc

    the appointment of partisan High Court Judges is beginning to be an issue here

    .......so there is a drift in that direction that might well be left unchecked and the reality is any weakening in the checks and balances on centralised power make for vulnerabilities that can and in the right set of circumstances will be exploited by fascists who has positioned themselves to be in the right place at that time.
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    For an Australian Aboriginal perspective “It’s not racism that is killing our people, it is the actions of our own people”.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFoI...ature=youtu.be

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    Yep, thank goodness we've been around to save them from themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallam View Post
    Agreed, Phil but there has been a consistent push by the hard right within the Libs since the Howard years with respect to these from the above list:

    -Controlled Mass Media -Murdoch press, Bolt and the usual suspects together with the anti ABC brigade.

    -Religion and Government Intertwined - { Australian Christian Lobby - Opus Dei Catholics
    -Corporate Power Protected
    -Labor Union Suppressed
    -Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    -Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    -Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

    along with this are the moves to pass security / secrecy legislation that prosecutes whistleblowers etc

    the appointment of partisan High Court Judges is beginning to be an issue here

    .......so there is a drift in that direction that might well be left unchecked and the reality is any weakening in the checks and balances on centralised power make for vulnerabilities that can and in the right set of circumstances will be exploited by fascists who has positioned themselves to be in the right place at that time.
    Yep.
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    Yep, thank goodness we've been around to save them from themselves.
    So the message in the statement;
    “It’s not racism that is killing our people, it is the actions of our own people”.
    from a elected representative of the community is somehow other people's fault?

    This is one of the problems.

    No one will take responsibility for their own present day actions.
    Until this is acknowledged, there is no hope of anyone helping.

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    Australian manufacturing is now less than 6% of GDP which is similar to Samoa. I'm so proud to live in such a resourceful nation and not one of those banana republics that just digs stuff up ......
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    And Tony, who saw off the car, and consequently heavy industry because he didn't like unionised workplaces, gets the top award, thereby degrading the whole award structure. And don't give me any crap about lifesaving once every 6 weeks and firefighting. He's done far more damage over the decades than he can ever compensate for.

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    The QB honours list reads like a chamber of horrors! Langton ought to be too embarrassed to be listed with that lot. What a stupid tradition it is anyway.
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    The awards are a joke. Anyone for a helicopter ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    And Tony, who saw off the car, and consequently heavy industry because he didn't like unionised workplaces, gets the top award, thereby degrading the whole award structure. And don't give me any crap about lifesaving once every 6 weeks and firefighting. He's done far more damage over the decades than he can ever compensate for.
    The Romanian solution would be more appropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Australian manufacturing is now less than 6% of GDP which is similar to Samoa. I'm so proud to live in such a resourceful nation and not one of those banana republics that just digs stuff up ......
    That's appalling. 6% . Really?

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    Actually just under 6%. Yes, really. Beyond appalling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    The Romanian solution would be more appropriate.
    Actually I reckon the Russians and the French win the prize for action against royalists. What did the Romanians do?
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    During my working life I worked for the company (Australian owned) that was part of the development team ( all Australian) that in the early 1980's developed and commissioned the worlds firsy digital air traffic control system for the RAAF. It was stated by the USAF that it was not possible. But after the 5 years user trials in Australia the USAF conceeded that we had successfully put the very first digital air traffic control system into operation. This system now used all over the globe is manufactured by Hughs in the USA. Australian Governments and the members of the Parliament have little or no knowledge of the flow on effects of reserch and development in either the government or the private area has on the wider community or the conference of the Australian workforce. The only politician that I have met how understood this completely was Greg Combey but unfortunately he has left the Parliament.

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    Combet was famous for swearing a lot. If I'd been him, I'd have sworn a lot too. I find I swear a lot now, anyway. I don't think it's age. I think it's the plague of FWITs.
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    …….and guess who cut the CSIRO funding in 2014 and truncated the research into Corona viruses? Tony.
    And guess who will again once the panic is passed? The LibNats again, or they'll sell it off to the hightest bidder as before

    Watch 4 corners.
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    25% of my children work in manufacturing. I’ve just been puzzling about whether there is any likelihood of the business he works for being identified as a manufacturer. I wouldn’t think so.

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