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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    The horses are scared enough already, stampeding them will not help Phil, and don't forget, everyone is flying blind, and he may well be scared himself..

    We're not going anywhere until we need some supplies. Over 70 or not.
    We could do with a few things now but we don't 'need' them.
    Yes I'm sure you are right. But I think a harder approach, as in NZ and NSW is preferable.

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    With a supply of bread and milk in the villiage bakery which will stay open they think we reckon we are good for another 3 weeks, TP included.

    Drying tomatos and making soup for the freezer this morning. I'm going to cut down a couple of dead trees this arvo.

    Waiting on an email to start a contract from my old employer.

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    Best wishes to you and yours, Jeff!

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    Thanks Glen, I think of you as well because I think you are in more danger than we are. Only thing that I'm short of is beer……………….

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    Just finished a bottle of coopers stout. Cheers
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    My god, i'd kill beer these days. Vacuumed down a couple of six packs the other night. The other half of the case is sitting there whispering to me.
    The missus whispers louder.... and longer.... especially when your hung over and have to do the home schooling.....
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    Beer supply will be augmented tomorrow via a local lad whose offering his services.
    Trees are down, cut and mostly split and in the woodshed.
    Just spoke to a couple of old friends stuck in their homes, A once a week conference call is on the cards.

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    Our neighbours have threatened to set up a conference call schedule. My worst nightmare. One of the things I least liked about my last couple of jobs was conference calls. Technically, the call quality tends to be pretty awful. So people have to kind of shout. And it just doesn't run like a conversation. In the end it would feel like some sort of awful competition for attention, where everyone is competing to be heard, whilst lying about what they did this week. Or you could hear them clacking away on their keyboard, clearly not paying any attention at all. They'd be the ones that come back next week not having done anything that we had agreed or been asked to do. Shudder.

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    Well, I usually meet a group of friends on Wednesday mornings for coffee at 7:30 but now, of course, we can't. So, a couple of them have set up a conferencing thing with an app called Houseparty! We (they) all tried it last Wednesday but some had trouble connecting and one of us forgot ....., but we're gonna try again this week. I also hate video conferencing, Skype and all that crap but, well, gonna give it a go. And I've set the alarm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Thanks Glen, I think of you as well because I think you are in more danger than we are. Only thing that I'm short of is beer……………….
    3 shots of Glenlivet and ice on the back verandah.
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    So $210B rescue package so far. What do we think? I think it's necessary and sensible. Not perfect but I'm not in the mood to be picky about it. Apolitical.

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    All things considered, the total inexperience and lack of knowledge of all but a few medico's, the limitations of the man, I think our PM is doing as best he can.
    The biggest blue has likely been not shutting down arrivals from the US as well as China, and the dumping of all those cruise passengers in Sydney. It's Border Farce's f-up as they cover quarrantine these days.
    BTW, any news of one P Dutton since his unfortunate infection?

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    Coal ships seem to have thinned out lately. I wonder how much coal exports from Newcastle are actually down by?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    So $210B rescue package so far. What do we think? I think it's necessary and sensible. Not perfect but I'm not in the mood to be picky about it. Apolitical.

    Rick
    I agree. Subsidising almost half the workforce to the tune of $1500 a fortnight, plus the doubled unemployment benefit is mind boggling. I think it was Jeff who said you don't want to scare the horses, but the people doing the modelling have got be a bit skittish at this stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    I agree. Subsidising almost half the workforce to the tune of $1500 a fortnight, plus the doubled unemployment benefit is mind boggling. I think it was Jeff who said you don't want to scare the horses, but the people doing the modelling have got be a bit skittish at this stage.

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    It's interesting though. Labor's big stimulus package was, essentially, how can we rescue the economy in a way that also provides lasting benefits from the expenditure? And they were slammed by every conservative for doing that. Now, the Coalition's big stimulus package is a straight rescue package with no other benefits. We need a rescue package, and maybe this one is just right - it does seem to me that it ticks the urgent boxes. But I have to wonder whether it would be possible to achieve something beyond rescue, again. As it stands, people are essentially being paid to stay at home and do, not necessarily nothing, but nothing commercially productive. I wonder if there's a way to do better than that?

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    In Sco Mo's speech I heard on radio there was a statement to the effect of " some economies OS might collapse, even some nations might collapse but that will not happen in Australia and we ( as a Govt ) will not let it happen.
    So yes, there's an element of feeling a bit skittish in that statement.
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    Rick, yes, it's a more typically conservative/right approach. Let's not create a nationalised industry a la pink batts and school halls. Let's just pump money into the economy and hope it does it's thang. But at least it's not Let's tip the money in the top and wait for it to trickle down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallam View Post
    In Sco Mo's speech I heard on radio there was a statement to the effect of " some economies OS might collapse, even some nations might collapse but that will not happen in Australia and we ( as a Govt ) will not let it happen.
    So yes, there's an element of feeling a bit skittish in that statement.
    But our Premier, very relaxed. Apparently we don't even need to observe the 2 person limit. We must be pretty special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Rick, yes, it's a more typically conservative/right approach. Let's not create a nationalised industry a la pink batts and school halls. Let's just pump money into the economy and hope it does it's thang. But at least it's not Let's tip the money in the top and wait for it to trickle down.

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    The US `rescue package' is ridiculous! We need some new cottage industries - home-made solar panels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    I agree. Subsidising almost half the workforce to the tune of $1500 a fortnight, plus the doubled unemployment benefit is mind boggling. I think it was Jeff who said you don't want to scare the horses, but the people doing the modelling have got be a bit skittish at this stage.

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    Not seeing the doubled UB yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Not seeing the doubled UB yet.
    You must have missed the announcement. 27 April.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    You must have missed the announcement. 27 April.

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    Actually I did see it, and I commented on it...but forgot. What a silly bunt I am.
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    Heard David Kilcullen on radio this arvo, he reckons the 'world order' and it's domestic equivalent will have completely been changed when we come out the other end of this.

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    The amounts of money being thrown at this are staggering.
    Watched 4 Corners tonight on iView. Anyone else watched it?
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    Just warming up I think. I heard our spend so far is about 10% of GDP. Germany is at 30%.

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    I don't think there'll be a whole lot more.

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    No but I think it may go on for a bit longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    No but I think it may go on for a bit longer.

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    Do you mean just in Australia, or worldwide? Because worldwide in some countries I think it's just getting started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    No but I think it may go on for a bit longer.

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    I think the budget in this packages is for 6 months, isn't it?

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    America may take some time to recover, it may not ever look the same.
    In that case we all will be taking in our belts.

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    Um…..the amount held by all Australian super funds is……………. 2.7 trillion dollars…………….

    That could buy all the companies on the Aust. Stock exchange with enough left over for a LOT of coffee.
    More than Australia's GDP………….
    Haynes likely did not ask enough questions of the industry. An industry fund could buy the industry it's members work in…………………
    And as for the banks………………. After Haynes, the 'big investors' (read the members delegates) called the shots as far as which bank CEO stayed, and which didn't. But the fund will not say what shares they own, and what arrangements were made to pay the CEO 15 million PA.

    There is a lot of unused power that the owners of the cash, us, do not exercise. We should.
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    Sydney is crawling with spies. Making China her biggest trading partner has enriched the country but has turned it into the new Berlin.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN20I1CY

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Do you mean just in Australia, or worldwide? Because worldwide in some countries I think it's just getting started.
    Worldwide. Best estimates are 12-18 months to get a vaccine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    I think the budget in this packages is for 6 months, isn't it?

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    Yes. Just a start I reckon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Blue View Post
    Sydney is crawling with spies. Making China her biggest trading partner has enriched the country but has turned it into the new Berlin.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN20I1CY
    Welcome aboard SB. Proof that nature abhors a vacuum.

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