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    Yet the electorate knew about the Coalitions' and scummo's attitude and lack of policies in that direction but a few $$'s and Clive's $60 mill bought them off.

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    That and the fear of losing their franking credits. Which I still don't understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    That and the fear of losing their franking credits. Which I still don't understand.
    Under ALP policy the existing arrangements were to be grandfathered, the LibNat campaign, the Aus and the Right media told lies.
    The information was there.
    The country deserves the politicians it elects………..

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    The Drum tonight is worth catching up with. From Stanthorp, on water. Availability, storage, sharing, transport of it. And ironically it's pouring rain. Councillor, winemaker, local doctor, mayor and beef producer with 120 years of family weather records. They all say climate change is real, the beef farmer says it's been drying out since 1950, and it's accelerated since 2000.<br>They would all like more and bigger dams, but are not confident there'd be enough rain to fill them now.

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    Do we REALLY need to hear anyone else announce that `climate change is real' ?? It's like being told every day that the sky is sometimes blue!

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    He's a many generation Queensland family farmer, a National party natural, that's the point.

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    They would all like more and bigger dams, but are not confident there'd be enough rain to fill them now.
    The local irrigators had $23m and the Feds $47m to build a 10.5 megalitre Emu Swamp irrigation project, Qld State Govt, waiting Coordinator-General’s EIS evaluation report of 2 April 2020. They already had a September 2014 report. That is 6 years ago!! This dam has been in the pipeline for 16 years.

    Irrigators in the Lockyer Valley, west of Brisbane, say they have received a commitment from the Deputy Premier to have recycled water supplied to the region.

    The local farmers have been asking for recycled water for years.
    Lockyer Valley irrigators say they have received a letter from Anna Bligh agreeing to supply 25,000 megalitres of recycled water every year.
    Never happened.

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    You'd kind of hope that we'd have learned that building dams, flood irrigation, generally conquering nature, actually doesn't work all that well.

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    It came up a few weeks ago, the question of whether or not we can learn from Indigenous land practices, or was it some kind of rose coloured glasses affair.

    It appears (tens of) thousands of years of corporate knowledge has material value.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-conservation-efforts-can-learn-from-indigenous-communities/



    ^Its a finite system. Keeping water in dams is surely keeping it away from somewhere else - probably aquifers (more likely South Australia). I can see it as a short term solution, but it feels very near sighted. But I'm not an expert on these things.
    What's the stat at the moment, we need 8 years of average rain to refill aquifers..... or something like that.
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    To build a new dam in the MD system you need to be able to source the (theoretical) water against an existing allocation.
    Other interesting thing was that all the 'domestic' water used in Aus only amounts 12.5% of the total use.

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    You'd kind of hope that we'd have learned that building dams, flood irrigation, generally conquering nature, actually doesn't work all that well.
    How so?

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    There's just too many of us; the scale is where it goes sideways.
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimJ View Post
    How so?
    Seriously?

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    Water is finite, it's there or it's not. Historically when there's no water animals, and people die off. Historically in Aus there was a greeat more or less managed forest between Melbourne and Sydney and on up the east coast. Not any longer.
    As an example rainfall in Sth Gippsland was in the 1870's 44 inches. Then the hills were denuded of temperate rainforest, the rivers and creeks silted up, now it' 15-18.
    And as gypsie said, there are too many of us but, we domestically, cumulatively only use 12.5% of ther water used. 62% is used by agriculture, which I think counts in the same pool.

    Interesting. Really interesting seeing I have no skin in the game.

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    LOL, I se Barney is threatening to have his 'friends' cross the floor if they are not given Cabinet positions.

    That is funny, the Nats after so may years of brown nosing the libs have nowhere to go.

    And further to the sports rorts, have you heard the one about swimming pools in LibNat marginal electorates?
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    That was a fascinating observation about McCormack - when asked when he last defended farmers over coal miners, he couldn't recall.

    How to make yourself irrelevant in one easy step.
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    Farmers? Oh, you mean cotton growers, miners and crackers!

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    And water speculators......
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    Remember when Lambie flipped on medevac and no one would say what the deal was? Well, now we have a Royal Commission into suiciding veterans. An important issue but does it really need a Royal Commission? The government argues ad nauseum about how expensive, time-consuming and unnecessary such commissions are, usually, but they happily launch this one. At least there's one promise they've kept to one person.

    I wonder if all the TV ads about what a wonderful life awaits us in the military will be included?

    I wonder if Australia's willing involvement in illegal and pointless engagements with the US will be included? Of course not. The TOR will be tightly controlled and narrow, and pointless. We can only hope that it runs off the rails like the Wood RC in NSW did and actually achieve something.

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    If he has nothing to hide what is he hiding?
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-...itics/11942762
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    And on nursing homes the government blocked a bill that would have made nursing homes disclose staffing levels and food budgets.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-...ances/11943380
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFNK View Post
    Remember when Lambie flipped on medevac and no one would say what the deal was? Well, now we have a Royal Commission into suiciding veterans. An important issue but does it really need a Royal Commission? The government argues ad nauseum about how expensive, time-consuming and unnecessary such commissions are, usually, but they happily launch this one. At least there's one promise they've kept to one person.

    I wonder if all the TV ads about what a wonderful life awaits us in the military will be included?

    I wonder if Australia's willing involvement in illegal and pointless engagements with the US will be included? Of course not. The TOR will be tightly controlled and narrow, and pointless. We can only hope that it runs off the rails like the Wood RC in NSW did and actually achieve something.

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    At a guess Id say the focus will be on symptoms and institutional response. Not causes.

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    Unless it goes off the rails. Sometimes the commissioner allows that to happen ... But yes, unlikely.

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    I note that the reserve bank has rethought last weeks pronouncement re the Corona Virus's effect on our economy has been amended. Much of China's manufacturing industries has been on a two week suspension and that is tipped to continue. They don't want our minerals if they are not producing stuff. Supply chain and spare parts supplies ae likely to be effected.

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    LOL!
    Exciting times in the Nat's.


    I was just thinking…… acting like the ALP factions. Even funnier…...
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    https://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/...wables-mb1400/

    Senator Canavan said:
    “Renewable energy can complement our energy needs but renewables do not run all the time making them unsuitable to support manufacturing jobs. Renewables are the dole bludgers of the energy system, they only turn up to work when they want to.
    ​"Life is under no obligation to give us what we expect." Irrfan Khan. RIP

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    Colourful…………. I gather he's not pleased at his situation?

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    And now Obren nomination, from Labour, for Deputy speaker, and he wins!

    Delicious!

    Welcome to chaos……………again………….

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    One billion dollars in undisclosed and unidentifiable 'donations' to political parties in the last decade, and 100,000,000 in the last election…..
    And the system isn't bent?

    Who'd a thunk it eh?

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    Australian politics are hopelessly corrupt. That's why neither party will push for a national ICAC. This emperor certainly has no clothes - only a fool would see otherwise.

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    ​"Life is under no obligation to give us what we expect." Irrfan Khan. RIP

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    That's perfect Gary! The Timor clip is also!

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    I too like their work….but…….the country elected the LibNats…….. so serves them right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    I too like their work….but…….the country elected the LibNats…….. so serves them right.
    Yeah but we get caught in the crossfire.
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    Finally got round to catching up on Monday's Q&A.
    They should have left a couple of empty chairs, to represent a government and opposition that have walked away from the biggest responsibility they have as a Parliament of supposwed representatives.

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