Oz Politics.

[Phil Y]

Earthquskes, no. But unprecedented fires, drought and temperatures .... I haven't heard anyone suggesting that volcanoes or earthquakes are caused by climate change.

We all know they're caused by people not putting enough on the collection plate in church.

Rick

Oh boy. I'm going to have to drop this. But just once more. Jeff said that the people over here who lost their vines will probably find it uneconomic to replant because of climate change. I reckon that's bullsh!t. Yes climate change is making fires worse. Yes it will change what grows where, and already is. But no it won't mean that vines can't be economically replanted in the Adelaide Hills. And Jeff's argument to that effect just served to weaken actual, real evidence based arguments about the impact of climate change. That's all from me on this topic. I'm clearly too stupid to make a simple point in this company. Sorry.

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[RFNK]

Would it help if I used these more:
?

Rick

[skuthorp]

Oh boy. I'm going to have to drop this. But just once more. Jeff said that the people over here who lost their vines will probably find it uneconomic to replant because of climate change. I reckon that's bullsh!t. Yes climate change is making fires worse. Yes it will change what grows where, and already is. But no it won't mean that vines can't be economically replanted in the Adelaide Hills. And Jeff's argument to that effect just served to weaken actual, real evidence based arguments about the impact of climate change. That's all from me on this topic. I'm clearly too stupid to make a simple point in this company. Sorry.

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I was just repeating what one winemaker said on TV

[Hallam]

Earthquskes, no. But unprecedented fires, drought and temperatures .... I haven't heard anyone suggesting that volcanoes or earthquakes are caused by climate change.

We all know they're caused by people not putting enough on the collection plate in church.

Rick

....speaking of plates and climate change

PLATE TECTONICS AND CLIMATE CHANGE

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[WX]

Old vines in some areas are certainly struggling due to climate change. And Tasmania is emerging as a viable wine growing area for the same reason. But a lot of the Adelaide Hills is marginal for grape production because it's too cold, and the growing season is too short. So bizarely, you could argue that climate change is a positive for wine growing in the hills. And then there's the opportunity to change varieties. Reds have been very marginal in most of the Hills, but maybe that will change.

Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting that climate change is not a thing. And I'm not suggesting it's a good thing either.

Just when people say Oh, earthquake, must be climate change- that just gives the loonies ammunition to ignore reality.

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From my reading of the article possibly 30% of vines in the Adelaide hills were wiped out by fire. The level of intensity of the fires has been exasperated by record temperatures and drought. Which are in turn attributable to climate change.

[skuthorp]

I was just repeating what one winemaker said on TV

I did not have the time to elaborate o my mobile. He also said that temperatures like they were having had the capacity to boil the grapes on the vine. Then there's smoke etc. Grapes are tested these days to determine whether it would be worth making wine, or not.
Then there's the vines themselves, the root may survive if it's sufficient coverd but the vertical leader will not. A vine so burnt may take years to become productive again, or it may die, and some of that root stock is a century old.

Anyhow I'm sorry to have caused a ruckus on Xmas eve, Merry Christmas All.

[Phil Y]

Merry Christmas all. Let's hope the Pastors at Hillsong see fit to bring in some more enlightened thinking on climate change in the year ahead. If the situation is exacerbated much more I will be truly exasperated.

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[skuthorp]

It seems there's been some sort of a shift……….

"Volunteer firefighters who are also Federal Government employees will be given four weeks' paid leave in addition to existing entitlements to help contain the nation's bushfire catastrophe.Key points:

• Federal Government workers who volunteer as firefighters will receive four weeks' paid leave
• The announcement by Prime Minister Scott Morrison follows days of calls for greater support for firefighters
• The current bushfire season has started earlier than previous years and is forecast to last longer

The announcement by Prime Minister Scott Morrison follows weeks of intense fires burning across the country, and escalating calls for additional support for volunteer firefighters.
"With bushfire seasons starting earlier, one of the things I've heard on the ground is that some people are dipping into their other leave entitlements to stay out there battling blazes," Mr Morrison said.
"Today's announcement is about ensuring our volunteer firefighters can keep focused on the job at hand.""

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-...leave/11825416

[WX]

Barnaby Joyce on climate change and god.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/barnaby-...vni8a_FL3wOtv4

[RFNK]

There's a lot of exacerbation about!!

Rick

[skuthorp]

It's easy to laugh, and this likely deserves a giggle. But I think it demonstrates a man whose certainties have evaporated and his 'faith' has failed him. I should be sympathetic, but I'm not. What goes around comes around.
As for Morrison, a fraud or a fool or a cypher or all of them, but then he is a salesman.

[RFNK]

BJ and Scummo are selfish idiots who cause enormous damage every day. They're supposed to be leaders but they're destroying our country on every level.

Rick

[skuthorp]

I note from Background Briefing another crooked contractor running a crooked government's 'return to employment' programme. Parents Next is the programme. The client takes the rap, not the agency.
But then ministers can commit fraud and pay it back if caught so why should we be surprised.

[skuthorp]

Dodgy accounting and risky arrangements re Aus's emergency fuel reserves sees the Govt. making a deal with donald that counts fuel in the US as being in Aus……………….
Transferrable by ship………………. If the US decides to honour the agreement of course, and a shipload of fuel is very vulnerable, depending on what 'the emergency' is………………...

But the stumps still elected them………………...

[WX]

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[skuthorp]

Interesting report on how climate change is effecting sport on RN this morning. Ane example is ceicket in Mildura, which has had a 2.5 degree temperature increase and lack of water to maintain grounds. Much more to it though.

[skuthorp]

Communities from Batemans to Bega being recommended to leave. In Vic in some coastal communities are sheltering on piers or the beach. Basically thousands of residents and holiday makers are stuck where they are as the roads are either cut or go just to more fire. Wind is changing in entirely the wrong direction.

[Phil Y]

Interesting report on how climate change is effecting sport on RN this morning. Ane example is ceicket in Mildura, which has had a 2.5 degree temperature increase and lack of water to maintain grounds. Much more to it though.

Someone somewhere in the ABC has had an idea that the stumps as you call the might engage on climate change if cricket is affected. There was also a story that maybe the boxing day test would have to be moved.

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[skuthorp]

And the tennis……………., but that's about money, it's countryl sport that's most effected as the country is depopulated and sport in AC premises is preferred, older farmers give it away, the volunteer network dries up etc. There are some big cultural changes coming

[RFNK]

Mad dogs and Englishmen.

Rick

[skuthorp]

Anne remarked that scomo looked shell shocked. He certainly backed the wrong environment horse. Got told to PO at Cobargo today.

[WX]

Prime Minister Scott Morrison got bushfire 'welcome he deserved' in Cobargo, says Andrew Constance

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-...al-mp/11838476

[skuthorp]

Speaking of politics, the Feds are being pushed by the NSW police to look into the Taylor affair. From precedent they are far more comfortable going through lady journalists undies drawers.

[RFNK]

Those people ought to be grateful for his thoughts and prayers!

Rick

[skuthorp]

Those evacuated by sea are disembarking at Hastings, on Westernport near Flinders Naval Base, which is a medical school/facility.

[WX]

This is well worth a read.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-...lures/11839770

[RFNK]

She's been Australia's best journalist for a long time. Great that she's with ABC now.

And if anyone here wants to see how capable Scummo is of coming up with decent policy, or any policy, on anything, then read Niki Savva's latest. When Howard's press sec starts wringing her hands about how Conservative the Liberal(!!) Party is becoming, it's time to gird the loins.

Rick

[RFNK]

To his credit, Scummo hasn't roused on any states for not keeping the forests nicely raked. Not yet, anyway.

Rick

[JimJ]

then read Niki Savva's latest

You mean the one where she describes how her residence burnt down because of in-action by the ACT Government?

Amazing how a Government will not listen to property owners who are directly affected if it means doing some hazard reduction.

[skuthorp]

The window for hazard reduction has been narrowing for some years, and people (like us) chose to live in the bush with all the consequent risks. Then there's the matter of 150 years of mismanagement of the 'bush' which has caused the vegetation pattern to become what it is now. Then there's the matter of sea temperatures, wind and weather system movement, and the continued drying of the continent that's been going on for a million years or so.
Consequences.

[RFNK]

You mean the one where she describes how her residence burnt down because of in-action by the ACT Government?

Amazing how a Government will not listen to property owners who are directly affected if it means doing some hazard reduction.

Rip Van Winkle wakes?

Rick

[WX]

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...U6cLbHl1TLyvMw


Morrison's government on the bushfires: from attacking climate 'lunatics' to calling in the troops

[WX]

He didn't bother to discuss it with the RFS first.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-...royed/11841386


Rural Fire Service (RFS) Commissioner Shane Fitzsimmons told Nine News that Scott Morrison's office had not told him about the extra resources, which he found out about via media reports.
"It is disappointing on one of our worst days this season to hear that announcement, then have to try to work through on top of everything else what it means and how it is going to operate," he said.

[WX]

You mean the one where she describes how her residence burnt down because of in-action by the ACT Government?

Amazing how a Government will not listen to property owners who are directly affected if it means doing some hazard reduction.

It's seems that in areas where hazard reduction was carried out it made almost no difference to the ferocity of the fires when they hit.

[skuthorp]

I did wonder whose going to be in command, the fire authorities, the Feds, the State government concerned, or a general?