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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    I think there are difficulties wit the conference communique, Morrison wont sign anything that mentions coal negatively.
    And anyhow it seems that PNG is dallying with Chinese investment. That's very close to home and likely more relevant.
    Dallying? China pretty much owns PNG. Australia made many aid consultants rich over many years but backed off years ago. Meanwhile China has been building stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    No - I didn't watch it. Maybe sometime I will get to it. Maybe I won't. I've been busy.... greening the planet

    Who has that cynical belief of which you speak. Not I.
    Your choice, you can learn something or you can stay ignorant of what he has to say.
    I have a bunch of trees to plant but until we get rain they will just have to stay in the pots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Oh look.... an internet flea
    ......to quote a gnat
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    Re trees. Peter's Fine Leafed Tuckeroo's are growing in their private bubblewrap greenhouses despite hail and temperatures of 2 or 3 degrees. I have hopes they will survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Re trees. Peter's Fine Leafed Tuckeroo's are growing in their private bubblewrap greenhouses despite hail and temperatures of 2 or 3 degrees. I have hopes they will survive.
    Mine is still in the pot. Need rain.
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    She would have been the intelligent choice...instead we got an evangelical Christian.
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    The right could not have controlled her. Scomo is 'right light', and amenable.

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    Here is a good look at the level playing field of Australian education:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-...3384#schoolmap


    ps: hushed whispers emanating from the old boys network in the corridors of power...... "can someone shut the bloody ABC down! It's not a good look for our education funding policy for this to be spread around! Thank god for Rupert......quick we need an op ed on education!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallam View Post
    Here is a good look at the level playing field of Australian education:
    Just in case there is a hint that the post is simply jealousy;

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...out-of-control

    http://saveourschools.com.au/funding...-in-australia/



    total government funding per student in public schools adjusted for inflation (“real funding”) was cut between 2009 and 2017 while funding for Catholic and Independent schools increased massively. Even during the Gonski funding period of 2013-2017 the funding increase for private schools was over three times the increase for public schools.
    The Coalition government continues to increase capital funding of private schools. Department of Education figures supplied to Senate Estimates in 2017 show they will get $1.9bn in capital funding from 2018 to 2027. There is no equivalent capital funding for public schools.
    It denies much-needed resources for disadvantaged public schools facing severe shortages in teaching staff, educational materials and modern classroom buildings and equipment.
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    There is no equivalent capital funding for public schools.
    What a load of unmitigated pap.
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    What a load of unmitigated pap.
    And your proof is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    And your proof is?
    Over a decade of doing capital works business cases for public education. The idiocy presented shows no understanding of the federal / state issue.

    Here - I just spent 30 seconds googling NSW capex:

    The NSW Government is investing $6.7 billion over the next four years to deliver 190 new and upgraded schools to support communities across NSW. In addition, a record $1.3 billion is being spent on school maintenance over five years, along with a record $500 million for the sustainable Cooler Classrooms program to provide air conditioning to schools. This is the largest investment in public education infrastructure in the history of NSW.

    https://education.nsw.gov.au/our-pri...sw-at-a-glance

    It'd be nice if some of our loonie left would actual post factual material... rather than demonstrating their idiocy on a regular basis
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    https://www.education.gov.au/how-are...nded-australia

    States are responsible for the delivery of school education


    In line with their responsibility for the delivery of school education, states and territories are the majority public funder of government schools (with 65.4 per cent of students) and the Australian Government is a minority public funder of the government sector.
    The Australian Government has historically been the majority public funder for non-government schools (with 34.6 per cent of students) reflecting its commitment to supporting parental choice and diversity in the schooling system. State governments are minority public funders of the non-government sector.
    Australian Government funding to non-government schools takes into account the capacity of school communities to contribute to their school's operating costs, for example the ability of parents to pay school fees.
    National average government per student funding by sector, 2016


    Source: Australian Curriculum, Assessment and Reporting Authority (ACARA) (2018). My School Finance Data Collection, as published on ACARA's National Report on Schooling in Australia: Data Portal


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    ... and they vote.

    Sheesh. I'm with Hanrahan... we're doomed.
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    ... and they vote.

    Sheesh. I'm with Hanrahan... we're doomed.
    We certainly are with the present mob of brain dead wankers.
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    A majority of pollies went to private schools, a bigger majority of their kids do. What do you expect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    We certainly are with the present mob of brain dead wankers.
    You come up with your earlier rubbish... get shown you are wrong... and still make a comment like this.

    You do understand where the brain dead appear to be don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    A majority of pollies went to private schools, a bigger majority of their kids do. What do you expect?
    Again... you've just been shown that funding per student to Government schools is $4,000 a year more.

    Brain dead too?
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    Yer not brain dead big fella, yer brain washed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Yer not brain dead big fella, yer brain washed.


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    First Dog with some practical solutions to micro plastic pollution.
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    Catholic and independent schools will receive an extra $4.6bn over the next decade in a peace deal with the two non-government sectors after the Catholic sector bitterly opposed the Coalition’s 2017 schools funding changes.The prime minister, Scott Morrison, and the education minister, Dan Tehan, announced the funding fix on Thursday, after months of backroom negotiations started by former minister Simon Birmingham before Malcolm Turnbull was deposed.
    The deal introduces a new direct measure of parents’ income to determine schools funding, as recommended by the Chaney review, and gives “overfunded” schools an extra two years to transition down to 80% of the schools resource standard.
    It also creates a $1.2bn fund for ill-defined priorities to improve “school choice and affordability”, which Tehan described as “sector-blind” despite the fact only independent and Catholic schools can apply. Guardian Australia understands the fund was not on the table until the last month, after the Liberal leadership and education portfolio change.
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    They are finding microplastic in new snow falling in antarctica. Plastic has changed the worlds physiology, and likely evolution.

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    Have they changed the accounting conditions for the Catholic Education Office? What goes on there is a scandal and there is no effective audit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Have they changed the accounting conditions for the Catholic Education Office? What goes on there is a scandal and there is no effective audit.
    I don’t know it’s not something I keep abreast of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    A majority of pollies went to private schools, a bigger majority of their kids do. What do you expect?
    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Yer not brain dead big fella, yer brain washed.


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    ??? Did you guys actually bother to read and comprehend post #26125 ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    ??? Did you guys actually bother to read and comprehend post #26125 ??
    Yes and did you read 26133?
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    Jones may have pushed his luck with this.
    Yes, this is what it’s come to. One of Australia’s loudest shock jocks issuing violent language against one of the few female leaders of the world, New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.The comment came on air this morning from Alan Jones, in response to Ardern declaring that Australia must “answer to the Pacific” on climate change — just as Pacific leaders were preparing for a day of closed talks in Tuvalu, with Australia expected to water down the final communique.
    Jones responded by calling Ardern “a joke”, “an absolutely and utter light-weight” and a “clown” who had swallowed the [climate change] hoax”, who in his mind needs shutting up.
    “I just wonder whether Scott Morrison is going to be fully briefed to shove a sock down her throat,” he said.
    “She is a joke this woman, an absolute and utter light-weight.”
    2GB had run Jones’ comment in a headline on a story declaring he’d slammed the New Zealand Prime Minister. Perhaps it was later deemed inappropriate — given 2GB has since amended it to include the softer comment from Jones that Ardern“is a joke”.
    https://womensagenda.com.au/latest/j...-shove-a-sock/
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    Jones is, I reckon, in sync with the LibNats on climate policy because the party is being held to ransom by the right who, reportedly, threatened to cross the floor over the issue. Jones likely has that position because he's paid to have it, after all he's said as much.
    I am rather ashamed to call myself an Australian over the goings on in Tuvalu re "don't mention coal''. There are other issues too, like ASIO and their ilk attempting censorship, or just shutting down of the press. Those who would trade freedom for security will end up loosing both" to paraphrase the quote. And then there's witness K. That stinks to high heaven and all concerned are still covering up.
    Like Australia's island prisons. Like the sabotaging of the tax system for short term electoral advantage.
    Australia will of course pay. But then Australia elected them didn't they? And then there's gambling momey, and a Fed ICAC…….. sadly most parties are implicated in those matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    ??? Did you guys actually bother to read and comprehend post #26125 ??
    Thepoint Larks is not who has responsibility for funding schools, the point is the degree to which the government is giving money to schools who don't need it.
    They're giving money to schools that are making profits in the millions, so its going straight into shareholders pockets.

    Just another way of taking some of everyones money and giving it to the richest people in the country, in the name of diamond plating their kids schools.

    Knox Grammer will have a better theatre than nearly every professional theatre company in Australia (bar the top state companies). Why is it important for the government to contribute almost half a million dollars to that, and say, not ensure it gets to one of the many public schools whose students reside in prefabs?

    Clearly you don't see a problem there so we'll just have to disagree.



    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Yes and did you read 26133?
    "Sector blind" provided you are a private school........
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    How is this okay, how come our politicians aren't jumping up and down and demanding tighter oversights and tougher penalties for over spending?
    You know like those being forced on people trying to survive on the pittance known as Newstart?
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-...ances/11421224
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    Saw this in the New York Times. Corruption and destruction go hand in hand, it seems.

    How One Billionaire Could Keep Three Countries Hooked on Coal for Decades

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/15/c...core-ios-share
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Yes and did you read 26133?
    I did Gary, which is why I asked if you’d read the one that I had posted - which I thought had (perhaps wrongly) had clarified the makeup of school funding

    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Thepoint Larks is not who has responsibility for funding schools, the point is the degree to which the government is giving money to schools who don't need it.
    They're giving money to schools that are making profits in the millions, so its going straight into shareholders pockets.

    Just another way of taking some of everyones money and giving it to the richest people in the country, in the name of diamond plating their kids schools.

    Knox Grammer will have a better theatre than nearly every professional theatre company in Australia (bar the top state companies). Why is it important for the government to contribute almost half a million dollars to that, and say, not ensure it gets to one of the many public schools whose students reside in prefabs?

    Clearly you don't see a problem there so we'll just have to disagree.





    "Sector blind" provided you are a private school........
    I don’t know anything about Knox grammar and clearly I’m missing something here, but it seems to me that the the general thought through this discussion is that anyone who sends their children to a Catholic or other religious based school or anything other than a State school (Government sector school), must be wealthy. And that anyone who sends their children to a State school must be poor...????
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    We have a married couple friends, both who teach in the Catholic sector. They are having a sleep in in our spare room as I type. One at a top fee paying school, the other in a struggling one. Part of the problem, if you accept the principle of subsidising a church based school is that the money to the Catholic sector (and maybe other religious sectors) is paid into the Education Office and it's up to them to distribute it. Aleegations are that most goes to the big profit making schools, and not to where it's needed most. There is no independent audit of the subsidy so who knows.
    It's been so for a long time.

    Frankly I'm more disgusted at our Government's behaviour in Tuvalu. But then that's been going on for a while too, Australian governments' disgusting behaviours.

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