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    But still its a close run race.

    A party with a plan to take on serious challenges.
    A party with nothing.

    It will be a sad indictment of the Australian electorate if the Libs win this election.
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    ……………and pipe water from the Kimberlys to Perth………….. (it's all down hill you know….)

    MD rainfalls are down 40%.

    All the experts are saying "approaching tipping point".


    And I see that President Scomo was a one man show at the Lib launch today.
    No wet season last year and none this year. The intermittent drizzle and showers are keeping things green.
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    This is a fine descriptor.
    Cholesterol Clive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    This is a fine descriptor.
    Cholesterol Clive.
    Some pubs now serve the Clive Parma'.
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    Some interesting reading to be found here....results of a search:
    FOIA | CIA FOIA (foia.cia.gov)


    Makes interesting reading......:
    YOUR MEETING WITH AUSTRALIAN PRIME MINISTER MALCOLM FRASER ON JUNE 30, 1981
    Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo da Vinci.

    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

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    Well first we had a coup, we already had a CIA operative as ambassador who relayed instructions, then we got Hawke, and he played ball too. "All the way…." still applied, and applies but the time is approaching, as Peter and I have discussed in length, when I think the US, because of its own arcane and internally divided system of government will de facto relinquish its past pseodo-colonial dominance to China.

    I am very sorry that Peter is no longer able to conduct such discussions any more, at a distance at least.

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    ^ Cobbled up from various as the report would be US equivalent AUSTEO at least and perhap with an ALPHA designation. Now tell me about Nugan Hand "Bank" and do go back to school eh?
    Quote Originally Posted by Hallam View Post
    Some interesting reading to be found here....results of a search:
    FOIA | CIA FOIA (foia.cia.gov)


    Makes interesting reading......:
    YOUR MEETING WITH AUSTRALIAN PRIME MINISTER MALCOLM FRASER ON JUNE 30, 1981
    Xanthorrea

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    Lots of stuff covered up over the years Rick, Downers games with wheat and Saddam come to mind. And of course all those years where the Trotskyite left, used as a bogeyman by the right were often financed and administrated by ASIO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by purri View Post
    ^ Cobbled up from various as the report would be US equivalent AUSTEO at least and perhap with an ALPHA designation. Now tell me about Nugan Hand "Bank" and do go back to school eh?
    Ok, why the go back to school comment? I'm finding your post difficult to understand, especially the first sentence. Do you assume that what I posted was in some way defining a limit of the scope of my post or my general knowledge of the subject? I was merely posting those links so others could go and search for what else is there. I'm well aware of the Nugan Hand "Bank" etc etc but no where near over it all and never claimed to be. Why be such a prick?

    Too lazy in your determination to not jump to false assumptions? In case you haven't noticed i don't take kindly to being told to go back to school as a blatant put down, especially in the absence of any provocation on my behalf. I expect an apology.

    There where plenty of references to the subject.............. just do a search and get off my back..... and i'm sure there will be no "real" secrets divulged:

    here is a little primer to get you going?

    AUSTRALIAN MYSTERY FALL OF A BANKING FIRM SPOTLIGHTS THE ROLES OF HIGH U.S. OFFICIALS | CIA FOIA (foia.cia.gov)


    THE NUGAN HAND BANK

    SENATE PERMANENT INVESTIGATIONS SUBCOMMITEE STAFF REQUEST RE NUGAN HAND BANK | CIA FOIA (foia.cia.gov)

    AUSTRALIAN MYSTERY: ADMIRALS, GENERALS, EX-CIA MEN TOOK PROMINENT ROLES IN NUGAN HAND BANK

    THE OPPOSITION LABOR PARTY TODAY OFFERED IN PARLIAMENT DOCUMENTS ALLEGING LINKS BETWEEN THE COLLAPSED NUGAN HAND MERCHANT BANK, HEROIN DEALING AND THE U.S. CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY.

    RETIRED U.S. MILITARY PERSONNEL AND GOVERNMENT ADVISERS DOMINATED TOP POSITIONS IN THE MYSTERIOUS NUGAN HAND BANK, WHICH WAS ACCUSED OF ACTING AS A CIA FRONT, AN OFFICIAL AUSTRALIAN REPORT SAID TUESDAY. | CIA FOIA (foia.cia.gov)

    U.S. STONEWALLS AUSTRALIANS ON PROBE ON BANK
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    Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo da Vinci.

    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

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    U.S. STONEWALLS AUSTRALIANS ON PROBE ON BANK


    Indeed……………. but I used to refer to Aus. as a US satrapy. Not far wrong I think.

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    I apologise. OK? As an aside I had some dealings with them, the outfit was quite suspect was my deduction
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    All ok, thanks
    Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo da Vinci.

    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

    "Freighters on the nod on the surface of the bay, One of these days we're going to sail away"
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    Quote Originally Posted by purri View Post
    I apologise. OK? As an aside I had some dealings with them, the outfit was quite suspect was my deduction
    The 'outfit' was made up of senior US military and Presidential hangers on, all with their fingers in the drug importing pie. And our politicians got their orders and licked a55 as usual.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...he-experts-say

    I really am sick of the Liberals and the whole conservative Neo-Liberal experiment. Just a pack of supply side lies to the core.
    I just can't believe this race is as tight as it appears to be. The Libs don't have a single thing to offer, corporates are bursting at the seams with profits but claim productivity is low, and the planet is burning.

    What does it take to get rid of this carp?
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    They are about scaring people about their finances in an already difficult environment for the ordinary voters. Those at the top are doing very nicely and will pay big Party bribes to keep it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by purri View Post
    I apologise. OK? As an aside I had some dealings with them, the outfit was quite suspect was my deduction
    Upper case denotes shouting....bit passive aggressive mate.
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    I'm thinking that this election win might be poison chalice. China and America will be fine, us maybe not so if there's a trade war, or even a trade snit………...

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    I use the Commonwealth Style Guide and Fowlers Common English Useage, not internerd vox pop.
    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Upper case denotes shouting....bit passive aggressive mate.
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    Vox pop is vox pop.

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    About 4 million of us have already voted, more by friday night. It will be interesting to see what the Commission decide to do, and what the Parties decide re their campaigns. For about a third of the electorate the campaigns are no longwr relevant, if they ever were of course, and that is a moot point.
    And then there's Clive, cashed up, buting 3 and 4 pages in the print press, dozens of slots on TV and who knows what on social media, paying his campaign workers on polling day. It's deliberately mocking the whole democratic process, and the Libs are in his pocket if he succeeds in scraping them back into power, or having the balance in the senate. And where's Clive? He's in Fiji I heard, he has no policies and really doesn't care. He's treating the electorate like fools, and there may be enough of them out there for him to be proven right.

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    I had a thought yesterday that the whole Clive Palmer thing could almost be a deliberate back handed strategy to get the Libs over the line, and if successful the price the Libs will have to pay Clive will be costly.
    Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo da Vinci.

    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

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    Of course that's what he's about, the Chinese are paying him a million a day in royalties already, and only thre Lib/Nats will be sympathetic to his projects in the Galilee Basin.

    But as to many other problems, wages, homelessness, elder abuse by relatives and nursing homes, youth unemployment, all those structural problems including a mismatch in education and future jobs are not going to be fixed by one,two or three Labour terms in government if the opposition does not come to the party, and if the divide between the boomers and the younger group shut out of the housing and secure job market is not addressed by the wider community. An 'I'm alright Jack, ………you' is not going to cut it.
    And then there's climate change, a game changer in its own right, and man in general will have to pay the ante.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallam View Post
    I had a thought yesterday that the whole Clive Palmer thing could almost be a deliberate back handed strategy to get the Libs over the line, and if successful the price the Libs will have to pay Clive will be costly.
    Palmer is a strategy to help spoil the senate in a Labor government. That's why the Coalition want him there.

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    Seems the NSW libs are telling their voters to ignore the 'official' how to vote card, and put Molan ahead of the Davies, the Nat senate candidate. Barnaby is not pleased……...
    Who'd a thunk it eh?

    …and Barney is rattling on about a 'Green Labour Independent Alliance' and 'the most socialist government in the world'.
    I think they are a tad concerned.
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    2GB is raising the Shorten rape allegation as a last minute spoiler.
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    and Morrison is saying 'it's not the right time for a change'……...

    There is no honour amongst thieves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallam View Post
    For some reason i'm thinking i'm going to really enjoy the lead up to the election..........there is so much subtle and not so subtle un relieved pressure building up in the Lib / Nat camp, environmental minister too afraid to say bo peep.......Daily Telegraph Journalist putting her foot in it....... Dutton has disappeared off the media landscape........Abbott is, as every one is saying, fighting for his political life Ha Ha Ha!!......Julia Banks splitting the Lib vote in Flinders with Hunt also a non event on the media front .....any one seen Mathias Cormann?.........and i keep hearing angry Victorian Libs on talkback radio expressing their contempt for their once but no longer favoured party. The question is where will the pressure vent?
    The pressure is getting too much...... venting a bit here, a bit there, .......how far will it go in the next two days?
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    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

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    We are in a nasty place politically, but then so is much of the western world…………………...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    2GB is raising the Shorten rape allegation as a last minute spoiler.
    So, perhaps he should have faced it in court?

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    When the minister in charge of a portfolio says he's not responsible for a $422 million spending decision in his department. If he's not responsible then he's irresponsible. One would have thought Labour could have used this to more advantage during the campaign. Thinking back to the Rudd Gillard Rudd season and the Murdoch press at the time this would have bold print headlines during the election campaign if the shoe was on the left foot!

    Senators grill bureaucrats over $422m Paladin Holdings security contracts on Manus Island - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

    Lest we forget:

    GMJAU - ‘Kick this mob out’: The Murdoch media and the Australian Labor Government (2007 to 2013)
    Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo da Vinci.

    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    So, perhaps he should have faced it in court?
    The police investigated and found no supporting evidence, the woman in question, according to 2GB has fresh evidence and witnesses. Being of a cynical mind this close to an election I think it's an attempt at a last minute smear campaign.
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    Smear and fear (sorry, unintended slogan there) is all the conservatives have.
    They had six years to come up with a policy agenda and demonstrate how it could deliver on inequality, climate change, under employment and everything else - and they did nothing except respond to Labours policies during that time.

    The Libs should be more grateful to Labour, without them they wouldn't have known what to do.
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    The police investigated and found no supporting evidence, the woman in question, according to 2GB has fresh evidence and witnesses. Being of a cynical mind this close to an election I think it's an attempt at a last minute smear campaign.
    You lefties were so keen to cheer the Pell conviction... as was I, but now the precedent is set and it seems you guys don't like it, eh?

    Joint statement from Peter Faris QC and alleged Bill Shorten rape victim

    Tuesday, 14 May 2019

    Peter Faris QC is the former head of the National Crime Authority.
    I know him well.
    He is an eminent barrister and an expert in the criminal law.
    I have been corresponding with Kathy for some months.
    I believe her allegations against Shorten.
    This is Kathy with Peter Faris QC in Melbourne today.

    And this is their joint statement.
    Statement of Kathy Sherriff

    In 1986 I was raped by Bill Shorten.
    I was 16 years old at the time.
    At a later point the matter was reported to Victoria Police.
    In August 2014, after a long investigation, the Victorian Police told me they were not proceeding to prosecute Bill Shorten for my rape. I was devastated.
    Part of the reason the police gave me was that the Victorian OPP thought there was no reasonable prospect of conviction - because it was only my word against Billís. Another reason was that some of the people I said were witnesses could not be found by the police.
    The police told me that if new witnesses were located or other evidence was found, then they would look at reopening my case.
    Since then I have worked hard to find the people I knew were at the conference that weekend in August 1986 and who knew what happened to me. I looked for all the evidence I could find to support my case. For 5 years this has been my focus so that I can have justice and this matter can go to trial.
    My whole life has been impacted by the events of that weekend and until this case is dealt with by the courts, I cannot move past it.
    Today, Peter Faris QC has agreed to assist me in my pursuit of justice and we have arranged to meet with Victorian Police to present the new evidence.
    We call for my case to be reopened.
    I have done this on my own accord without the assistance of the media or the many friends and supporters who have tried to help me in the past or in recent months.
    This is my journey alone.
    I know that many people will criticise the timing of my actions - but my right to justice and the rights of rape victims everywhere, is more important than politics.
    If anyone has any questions they can contact me through face book or contact
    Mr Peter Faris QC.
    Statement of Mr Peter Faris QC.

    I am a retired Criminal Barrister and I am assisting Kathy in her endeavour to get Justice.
    In my view the Police should reopen the investigation into this matter and the Office of Public Prosecutions should prosecute Shorten.
    This is a serious complaint of rape and Kathy is entitled to her day in court as is Shorten.
    This case is similar in circumstances to the Pell case where the victim was the only eye-witness.
    As we know in that case a conviction was obtained on that evidence.
    Kathy is entitled to be heard in a criminal trial and to have a jury decide guilt or innocence.
    Peter Faris QC
    ENDS
    And this is a photo taken around the time of Shorten's alleged offending.
    The alleged offender Bill Shorten is the young man with the clenched fist raised in the centre of the photo.




    And this is my take on the implications of the guilty verdict against Cardinal George Pell - a jury verdict delivered after only one witness, the complainant, gave evidence against the Cardinal.

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    ^ If you use the tip of your finger you can get more muck out of the corners at the bottom of the bucket.
    (imagine of wing nuts debated policy?)

    Here's a take on the conflict of interest problem ahead of the coalition - if they win. Re: Palmer.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...d-consequences
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    https://twitter.com/theweeklytv/stat...499355648?s=12
    bit of a laugh for your Thursday afternoon

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