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    The radio is full of ''it wasn't us",we didn't know. no unlawfullness! No politics, all science!

    Time to start again.
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    And Morrison is evidently moving to re-appoint Abbott era appointments to boards and commissions before the election despite them not being due. The Government seems to be a more and more collection of crooks, cheats, thieves, and persons of ill repute and no ethics whatsoever.

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    Is that like pilfering from the stationary cupboard just before you get fired.
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    They are doing their best to nobble any possible labour initiatives they don't like in anticipation of a very bad loss.

    We have evacuated home because of a bushfire about 1.5k away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    and BTW, I wonder if anyone will be penalised for "gross maladministration, negligence and unlawful actions" re water allocations within the MD Commission operations and the subsequent 'officially' sanctioned water thefts particularly in NSW?
    The taxpayer is subsidising now unviable businesses, and allowing the major environmental system of the country to be degraded to the point that without a substantial change in the natural rainfall over the catchment it may not ever fully recover. The last 20 years of stream flow records gives a 40% fall, Aus. has been drying out for 10's of thousands of years, precedent says it's unlikely to change.

    And Aus. has just recorded it's hottest January on record, who'd a thunk it. Despite floods further north Brisbane is well down on it's January rainfall. Anyone else think the arguments about MDB water allocations based on history are toast?
    Just bucketed down in Bundaberg...up there for a couple of days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Actually the ALP don't have to do anything but follow up on the policy, and as Bowen said if people do not like the idea, vote for someone else. They likely estimate they can win well enough anyhow and it makes campaign life quite difficult for the Libs if a major plank in their campaign is more or less dismissed as not particularly relevant. They likely estimate, with some safety, that more of those effected would vote Lib than Lab. But I guess we will see if the ALP blink on the issue, and maybe modify it somewhat in the short term. It's a peculiar sort of 'campaign promise' anyhow, it promises a group of voters less, not more.
    As a matter of interest such a change will impact my income, but not to a relly significant extent. I support the principle however, it should never have been implemented in the first place.
    As the article said:

    "........ Bowen would be treating everyone the same. That’s a pillar of the Australian taxation system.

    But Bowen and Shorten are attempting to smash that pillar, creating the most dangerous taxation precedent imaginable: blatant discrimination."

    So, not a single Left Wing Wally is concerned enough about this insidious precedent to comment?

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    I can remember Reith shrugging about the docklands demo's and saying "Well, they wouldn't vote for me anyway". Been about for a long time that.

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    I see the RDS is an issue for the usual with the usual...

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    Quote Originally Posted by purri View Post
    I see the RDS is an issue for the usual with the usual...
    No matter what I do, I can't separate the mental image of you from the local ladyboys. Same, same... but different. Then again, some of them are winners.
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    From the figures I see that the release of 'donation' figures, on all sides, is about as corrupting an influence that you can possibly imagine.
    The $13,800 figure is a product of the malign influence of Howard, but it's the unseen bribes via 3rd parties that are a bigger concern. Some states seem to be doing something about the earlier release of the figures, real time would be better, then voters could see where the bribes were coming from before they voted.

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    Finding facts: the left often ignores the story to create its own narrative


    CHRIS MITCHELL

    Media personalities Kerri-Anne Kennerley and Yumi Stynes (pictured) have clashed on race issues. Picture: Studio 10


    Where the Left of politics used to be about a hand-up for the less privileged it is now often about a put-down by the privileged of *people who disagree with them.



    Apart from recoiling at the easy assumption of moral superiority by abusive commenters who *assume superior knowledge, there is a serious risk here. Racism as a word means something, and if the wider community is to continue to accept that it does, people need to be careful not to throw it around just to silence those with whom they disagree.


    There is nothing racist about supporting the retention of January 26 as Australia Day, and many Aboriginal people do. Many *others would support a change but *regard it as a second-order issue compared with fixing the violence and substance abuse wreaking havoc in remote Australia.
    Some metropolitan self-identifying Aboriginal people think changing the date is a first-order issue and reject discussion by anyone other than Aborigines of *Aboriginal violence. They try to maintain the fiction that more symbolism and more apologising by white Australians will fix the Aboriginal world.


    Aboriginal leaders Warren Mundine and Marcia Langton told me in 2015 that total spending on Aboriginal programs exceeded $50 billion a year. Not much was improving the Aboriginal world despite decades of reconciliation activism and former prime minister Kevin Rudd’s 2008 apology to the Stolen Generations.

    Progressive media and many in the Aboriginal service provision area do not really care about what is happening in remote Australia. It’s really about keeping bureaucrats happy for governments and politicians, while in media, editors seldom send reporters to remote communities, apart from this newspaper and Sky News.


    Fairfax — now owned by Nine Entertainment Co — The Guardian and the ABC are more interested in building audiences cheaply among groups that like to feel good about their values. That is an easier journalistic exercise than trying to report dysfunction such as that outlined in the 2007 Little Children Are Sacred report by the Northern Territory government.


    FM radio host Yumi Stynes was foolish on Monday morning to throw the accusation of racism at Kerri-Anne Kennerley on Network Ten’s Studio 10during a discussion of the previous weekend’s anti-Australia Day marches. Kennerley was speaking the truth.


    As co-presenter Joe Hildebrand pointed out eloquently on News.com.au on Wednesday, three Aboriginal women leaders — Langton, Jacinta Price and *Josephine Cashman — had given a searing presentation at the *National Press Club in Canberra on December 5, 2016, making the same point as Kennerley. Does Stynes think those three are racists too? Langton said rates of sexual assault against women in Aboriginal communities nationally were 32 times the average, and in some areas 80 times.


    Caroline Marcus got it right on Paul Murray Live on Sky News on Wednesday night. The white sisterhood had its big marches for equality in the 1960s and ’70s. Why no marches today for all the Aboriginal women and children still being raped and assaulted in the bush? And where are the feminists standing up for Price after she was viciously abused online this week over her position on Australia Day? Or is it OK to abuse a conservative woman?


    It is not just on race that the Left shows disdain for the views of ordinary Australians. In climate change, the politics of President Donald Trump’s America, the UK Brexit vote, on organised Christian *religion and on reporting the conservative side of federal politics, generally the Left media loves to *accuse those dissenting from fashionable views of being stupid.


    People on social media do it to get “likes” from the other sheep on Twitter and Facebook. But for thought leaders in the Left it is a deliberate tactic, known in politics and the media as de-legitimising. Don’t deal with facts that might prove hard to undermine, just try to damage the moral and intellectual standing of your opponent.


    Why, for example, all the publicity for challengers to sitting Liberals at the next election? Many in the Left media accept the idea former prime minister Tony Abbott, Treasurer Josh Frydenberg and Health Minister Greg Hunt are stupid because of their government’s position on climate change.


    In this narrative, Abbott, who used to write editorials for this newspaper and is a former Rhodes Scholar, a volunteer lifesaver and Rural Fire Service member whose charity bike rides have raised millions for the Manly Women’s Shelter, is a poor local member *because of his position on climate change.


    But Zali Steggall, an Olympic bronze medal skier and lawyer with a restaurant named after her in Manly, now running against Abbott as a GetUp-backed independent, is the solution?


    At least The Sydney Morning Herald was smart enough to publish a piece by John Ruddick on Wednesday pointing out why *Abbott will win.


    Why so much publicity on our ABC for failed one-term Liberal MP Julia Banks who has decided to challenge Hunt, an excellent Health Minister and former minister for the environment? This is the same Banks who claimed she was being bullied by the Right of her party in the lead-up to the overthrow of Malcolm Turnbull last year, but later told The Australian Women’s Weekly it was Scott Morrison’s supporters rather than Peter Dutton’s backers who had bullied her. Our ABC apparently does not think sorting out the truth of Banks’s self-serving allegation is a story.


    Herald Sun political editor James Campbell and former Gillard chief of staff Nicholas Reece told Paul Murray on Sky News on Thursday night that Banks could not win the seat but could preference Labor to oust Hunt. It is *another GetUp ploy, but why no real interest at the ABC or the Nine newspapers about GetUp’s role as a front for the ALP in these challenges? And why no mention in a long report on The World Today last Wednesday that Oliver Yates, the former Liberal appointed by Labor in 2012 as CEO of the Clean Energy Finance Corporation, who is challenging Frydenberg in his Victorian electorate of Kooyong, also over climate change, was a board member of a company that sold the Indian company Adani its coal tenements? It was in this paper that morning.


    Why did Left commenters last week on the work of this newspaper’s environment editor *Graham Lloyd and columnist Nick Cater resort to insults about both men’s intelligence when they simply pointed out the facts of power generation costs highlighted by last week’s grid response to two hot days in Victoria and South Australia? And why so little interest at the ABC and Nine/Fairfax in pursuing the reasons for the power costs blowout?


    The ABC took the cake for moral posturing on Wednesday when ABC local radio’s Country Hour carried a report saying farmers needed federal subsidies to plant trees on grazing land to provide shade for livestock. Within 15 years stock would not be able to withstand the heat on outback farms. What does the science say? *Average temperatures in Australia have risen 0.7C since the start of the 20th century?


    Reporters who privilege feelings about the climate to the *exclusion of facts about the cost of renewables just prove that ordinary Australians are pretty smart.


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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    From the figures I see that the release of 'donation' figures, on all sides, is about as corrupting an influence that you can possibly imagine.
    The $13,800 figure is a product of the malign influence of Howard, but it's the unseen bribes via 3rd parties that are a bigger concern. Some states seem to be doing something about the earlier release of the figures, real time would be better, then voters could see where the bribes were coming from before they voted.
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    "Fairfax — now owned by Nine Entertainment Co —"

    a reminder, the only useful line in the C&P.



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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    "Fairfax — now owned by Nine Entertainment Co —"

    a reminder, the only useful line in the C&P.


    Indeed.
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    One thing about the fires near us has been the drop out of the compulsory NBN phone system along with the power outages, that have been frequent. And being close the mobile network was also patchy at times. I can think of a whole slwe of politicians I'd like to hang by their balls over our bushfire.

    Then there's the Banking Royal Commission, I noted that Commissioner Hayne refused to shake Freydenberg's hand for a photo op the other day. We know which party has the ethics there.

    And re the Aussie banks, keep an eye on the US lawsuit against our banks re the 'fixing' of interest rates, J.P.Morgan are giving a great deal of evidence to that case it seems.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...KCN1NS1SF?il=0

    "JPMorgan this week reached a separate $7 million settlement of investor claims that it conspired with rivals to rig the Australian Bank Bill Swap Reference Rate, becoming the first bank to settle that litigation. The same law firms represented investors in that case and the Euribor case."

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    One thing about the fires near us has been the drop out of the compulsory NBN phone system along with the power outages, that have been frequent. And being close the mobile network was also patchy at times. I can think of a whole slwe of politicians I'd like to hang by their balls over our bushfire.

    Then there's the Banking Royal Commission, I noted that Commissioner Hayne refused to shake Freydenberg's hand for a photo op the other day. We know which party has the ethics there.

    And re the Aussie banks, keep an eye on the US lawsuit against our banks re the 'fixing' of interest rates, J.P.Morgan are giving a great deal of evidence to that case it seems.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...KCN1NS1SF?il=0

    "JPMorgan this week reached a separate $7 million settlement of investor claims that it conspired with rivals to rig the Australian Bank Bill Swap Reference Rate, becoming the first bank to settle that litigation. The same law firms represented investors in that case and the Euribor case."
    Loved the photo. Ian will probably point out it's all labor's fault but I think we can safely say all parties are complicit in the crime.
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    This is a great article in my humble opinion. Great because a vocabulary is developing. here come the poets i called for.
    Glad to see words forming around the structural unfairness in ouir tax system, and the fear of telling the super rich they won't be getting as much free money next year as they did this year.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business...-class-welfare
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    And this;
    https://www.theguardian.com/business...-tax-avoidance

    “most wealth is not created at the top, but merely devoured there”
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    I say, steady on old chap….billionaires paying just taxes? IT JUST A
    "AINT CRICKET> WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY BUY POLITICIANS FOR FRE GOODNESS SAKE?

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    Banking royal commission final report a scathing account of 'conduct driven by greed'



    Key points:

    • Bankers are not named and shamed,but Kenneth Hayne lays out the potential for more than 20 prosecutions involving the major banks, at the discretion of the regulators, some of which could be criminal, some civil, and some both.
    • Of the 24 referrals for “further action”, all the major banks are listed, except Westpac.
    • The regulators stay as they are, but are on notice to do better when it comes to enforcement. If Asic doesn’t pick up its game and prosecute more often, not just settle out of plain sight, there is room to make it just an investigative body and hand prosecuting powers to something else.
    • The report points the way to an end to practices such as conflicted remuneration – you can’t advise for a client and get rewarded by a bank/financial service for providing that client at the same time, for instance. That seems like a pretty big no brainer, but it has taken a royal commission to get here.
    • There will be a compensation scheme of last resort, funded by the banks. The government is working up legislation on that now. All the banks will have to pay, because it is part of their licence. For those who belonged to entities that have gone belly up, you’ll also be covered.

      Treasurer Josh Frydenberg says government will take action on all 76 of Kenneth Hayne’s recommendations.



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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Absolutely spot on.

    I went to a citizenship ceremony, to become a citizen, and nobody treated it flippantly. I was possibly the least in awe, i simply applied because it was less hassle than renewing my visa. But for some people there it was THE most important thing in their lives at that point.
    Tears were common as people got overwhelmed by the emotion of it.

    To try and paint a picture that citizen applicants are disrespectful makes absolutely NO sense. It is complete hogwash.
    It just makes my blood boil to watch these idiots set up yet another group as bad guys just to create hate and suspicion and squeeze a vote out of it.
    It is their way.

    So, MDB Royal Commission pushed off the front page by Government backpedalling as they begin to attempt to explain (a) how they'll bring their generous mates into line without actually bringing any of their mates into line and (b), as the election nears, why they refused to hold any real investigation of Australia's hopelessly corrupt banking system, even though there was already overwhelming evidence that it was sorely needed.

    Meanwhile, the Government(s')'s response to the MDB Royal Commission is to bag everyone other than themselves, send thoughts and prayers to anyone who isn't a Qld or Nth NSW irrigator, and hope that it rains before the elections. As an aside, the spokesperson for the NSW Farmers says the fuss is all about South Australians having somewhere to go skiing - such is his deep knowledge of the issues. Aaaaanyway, nothing will happen and our most important river system will continue to die along with its wildlife and, increasingly, the diversity of industries which depend on the green ooze which remains.

    I hope that Labor wins both elections but only because (a) there's no hope that the Coalition will ever do anything worthwhile to protect our environment, at any level, (b) there's a slim hope that Labor will actually implement some aspects of their environmental agenda, (c) Labor will do less harm to the environment, and (d) no one else has a hope of forming government.

    Labor and the Coalition will both continue to kowtow to Murdoch and the other Americans, including the FWIT in the Whitehouse, and, more than likely, get us into a war with China. Neither party has anything like a national vision or even a plan, both continue to crawl all over each other in their race to be the first to destroy any remaining public assets and services for a quick budgetary topup (regardless of any longer-term responsibilities); neither of them have the faintest intention to provide any transparency in government; neither of them places any value on Australian manufacturing or innovation; and, neither of them have the intelligence or commitment required to solve real problems. To a person, they market themselves, caring nothing about any constituents who aren't either donors or useful symbolics. They are parasites. It would be wonderful to be rid of all of them but the only way that's likely to happen (failing arrival of a perfectly timed meteorite strike in exactly the right place(s)), would be for the independents and some minor parties who actually SEEM to care about the environment to win en masse. Sadly, the latter is even less likely than the former but, there remains some hope that more independents'll do quite well this time and that might well prove to be a good thing. Any good thing in either the NSW or Federal parliaments would bring some blessed relief.

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    I agree completely Rick, I thought I was the cynical one. I think we should crowd fund the completion of the fence round parliament, and a security force to keep them locked inside. But Hayne has tossed it all back into the governments hands to put up or shut up re prosecutions, and that wedges them completely re their funder's possible criminality. It's likely Hayne and Orr are the persons with the best reputations in the legal fraternity in Aus. most of the rest of them being for sale to the highest bidder.
    I am however encouraged by Bill's refusal to 'call on Rupert', and donald may do more to distance Aus from the US than our supine lot of asslickers will ever do.

    And then there's the Border Force and the Fed. Police as an arm of a conservative government.
    They may need to be completely disbanded and reformed by Labour lest they nurture a viper.
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    The deluded always regard realists as cynics. I'm not a cynic and I know you're not either, Jeff. The government and the opposition are composed almost entirely of cynics - that's the problem!

    I hope you're right re the Hayne commission outcomes but, to be honest, I have trouble regarding the whole thing as anything but a sideshow. We're already beyond the brink of environmental catastrophe of which climate change is only one aspect and that's a much more important issue than the behaviour of greedy bankers. Our politicians are behaving like the brothers on the train in The Marx Bros Go West where they burn the train to keep it going. They really are clueless.

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    NO bankers will see inside.
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    I note the Oz editor defending the banks on The Drum. Expected. And even more so. Rupert will be pleased.
    But the interesting think I reckon will be what the community sees in the Government and banking reaction. The banks and Gov't will try to legalise it all away, but the voters I think may have other ideas.

    But I'm with Peter on the jailing of bankers. Won't happen.
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    It's certainly unlikely. If the government is scasred enough though they might throw a few scapegoats to the wolves. Watching all these grand announcements about what the government intends to do - they're calling it `action' (as if they have any clue about action!) - is fairly hilarious. Talk about walking onto a minefield! Labor is just drooling in the knowledge of all the news archives they have of Morrison defending the banks, prattling on about what a cynical exercise of labor's it is etc. Labor will wait for the official election announcement, of course, but it's so obvious they're itching to use it all.

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    Amanda is shouting "Look! Over here!" in fairfax that was, trying to revive 'mediscare' again. I don't think Labour needs it, and anyway it's likely more believable now after the Government's non-performance and confirmation that voters distrust is justified.

    Industry Super, despite Kelly's best efforts, seem to have come out relatively unscathed. The performance of AMP in particular has trashed finance and banking run funds reputation. The private funds have no clothes. Of course the enormous amount lately stripped out of those funds have primarily gone to Industry funds.

    And as for Freudenberg and Morrison, voted against a banking enquiry 26 times. Hypocrites and self servers.
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    [QUOTE=skuthorp;5803849
    And as for Freudenberg and Morrison, voted against a banking enquiry 26 times. Hypocrites and self servers.[/QUOTE]

    That will be the line to remember from this election.
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    BTW Rick, #23452, I agree with you about the climate and the MDBC royal Commission.

    Put it in the "fiddling whilst Rome burns" category. With the 40% reduction in stream flows some of those industries upstream are bankrupt without the public paying subsidies, and without the thieving of water. Then there's the parasites, water brokers and politicians currying electoral favours.

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    [QUOTE=skuthorp;5803849
    And as for Freudenberg and Morrison, voted against a banking enquiry 26 times. Hypocrites and self servers.[/QUOTE]



    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    That will be the line to remember from this election.
    I`m sure it will be.

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    "And then there's the Border Force and the Fed. Police as an arm of a conservative government.
    They may need to be completely disbanded and reformed by Labour lest they nurture a viper."

    4 corners doing a job on the Saudis, and BF and the feds…and the Government. Hopefully another nail in the coffin though I doubt Labour will defy US orders over the Saudi's. BF asking why Saudi women are travelling without an escort? What country are they serving?
    And it get's worse. One of the men involved is one of the men involved in the Kashoggi murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    "And then there's the Border Force and the Fed. Police as an arm of a conservative government.
    They may need to be completely disbanded and reformed by Labour lest they nurture a viper."

    4 corners doing a job on the Saudis, and BF and the feds…and the Government. Hopefully another nail in the coffin though I doubt Labour will defy US orders over the Saudi's. BF asking why Saudi women are travelling without an escort? What country are they serving?
    And it get's worse. One of the men involved is one of the men involved in the Kashoggi murder.
    Clarify please Jeff , "involved" in what ?

    And one of which men ?

    Federal Police ?

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    One of the Saudi's who was attempting to get a Saudi woman refugee to visit the embassy was also involved in the Kashoggi murder. Identified as a Saudi Intelligence operative. There's a history here, and either we are dancing to the US tune, or the Saudi one, or both.

    On the subject of BF and their activities, I'd love to see a few of them explain themselves to the Hague under the Nuremberg judgements and Australia's treaty obligations which are supposedly law. Orders are not an excuse. But then I'd like to see Howard, Blair et al there too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    One of the Saudi's who was attempting to get a Saudi woman refugee to visit the embassy was also involved in the Kashoggi murder. Identified as a Saudi Intelligence operative. There's a history here, and either we are dancing to the US tune, or the Saudi one, or both.

    On the subject of BF and their activities, I'd love to see a few of them explain themselves to the Hague under the Nuremberg judgements and Australia's treaty obligations which are supposedly law. Orders are not an excuse. But then I'd like to see Howard, Blair et al there too.
    Ahhh ...gotcha .

    Re BF .....It appears that treaty obligations are " optional " .

    The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.

    Albert Einstein.

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    Freudenberg on RN this morning, re the Hayne report saying "Under Labour this happened…..'' and "We were the ones who called the enquiry" but he wasn't allowed to get away with it.

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