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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Too damn busy for TV at present. I'm mounting work for the exhibition next weekend and fielding emails about 3 different matters. The regatta dinner (lack of large enough venue). My volunteer job (old farm machinery and H&S) and a family matter that I got roped into, that lot are more trouble than they are worth.
    Old farm machinery and H&S. Have fun with that one.

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    Yeah, same with old printing and typecasting machinery. Designed to do you harm.

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    There is likely a sociology doctorate in an examination of the relationship between machinery design and employer liability for injury under law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Old farm machinery and H&S. Have fun with that one.
    There's a great John Prine line that goes...There's roosters laying chickens and chickens laying eggs, farm machinery eating peoples arms and legs.
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    We fiddle, our coal burns across the globe


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    • By JOHN WILLIAMS


    Debate about coal-fired electricity and climate change has heated up recently with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s latest report and people such as former Liberal leader John Hewson entering the debate on the side or renewables.

    Take a look at the facts: Australia has 22 operating coal-fired generating plants of at least 30 megawatts capacity producing 128 million tonnes of CO2 annually, with no plans to construct any more. Compare that with China, our biggest trading partner, which has more than 1000 coal-fired power generating plants operating to the same capacity and a further 130 under construction. These plants emit 4271 million tonnes of CO2. The 130 others due to come online will produce more CO2 than Australia produces. And yet so many people believe that we are going to change the world.

    No, we don’t have a large tent over our country. We are part of the globe. India has 292 operating coal-fired plants and a further 41 under construction, emitting more than 1000 million tonnes of CO2.

    Facts don’t lie — between 2016 and last year coal-fired generation in the Asia-Pacific region increased by 330 terawatt hours, contributing 66 per cent to increased electricity supply. That is the equivalent of 33 Hazelwoods. These power plants will burn coal, so the options are: do they burn the cleaner, more efficient, higher-energy coal from Australia or do they burn the second-rate, poorer quality coal from overseas that will put more CO2emissions into the atmosphere?

    This is the crazy scenario we are facing. Coal-fired power generators are being built around the world, but how many are being built in Australia? None. And worse still, we are actually shutting them down. Since Hazelwood shut, prices have doubled in Victoria and NSW, and increased by more than 70 per cent in South Australia, Tasmania and Queensland. And to think that Australia is a country so rich in energy.

    Australia is responsible for 1.3 per cent of the world’s emissions. Chief Scientist Alan Finkel told Senate estimates that reducing the world’s carbon emissions by 1.3 per cent (in other words, Australia’s contribution) would have almost no impact on the world’s climate. But we all know it will have an impact on our economy, our standard of living and the way we do business.

    I’m a big supporter of renewable energy on one condition — it competes on a level playing field. The fact is, with renewable energy certificates at $80Mwh, one wind turbine will be paid a $700,000-a-year subsidy by those who are connected to the grid before a single watt of electricity is sold. Families, pensioners, supermarkets, engineering workshops, small businesses, big businesses — all will pay. This is a big advantage to renewable energy at a huge cost to consumers of electricity.

    Another problem we face is that businesses will relocate overseas because of our energy costs, and the country they move to will actually put out more CO2 doing exactly the same job. We lose businesses, jobs and money — and the result is more CO2 emissions. Not a great idea in my book.

    Face the facts. Along with China’s 130 coal-fired plants under construction, India has 41, Indonesia 20 and many other countries, including Japan, are doing similar.

    We can achieve much more by looking after our farmland (the soil that has to grow our food for thousands of years) and increase the storage of carbon in our soils by good management. As Christine Jones, an expert in regenerative land management, has pointed out, if farmers balance the magnesium and calcium levels in our agricultural soils we can increase soil carbon. Do this over our 450 million hectares of land, increasing the soil carbon by 3 per cent, and that will neutralise our emissions by 100 per cent for almost a century.

    This will achieve CO2 abatement and protect our food supply. That is a real solution — a win-win.

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    Bloke I used to paddle with had his arm torn off by a combine harvester………… of course he was doing something completely stupid at the time………………….

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Bloke I used to paddle with had his arm torn off by a combine harvester………… of course he was doing something completely stupid at the time………………….
    Trying to turn the politics thread into a farce, because the truth hurts, eh? Definite troll behaviour.

    Meanwhile, the left seems wont to ignore this issue too:

    Victoria Labor MPs caught in ‘Red shirt’ rort scheme refuse police interview


    Premier of Victoria Daniel Andrews marches with protesters. Picture: Getty




    Victorian Labor MPs embroiled in the “Rorts for Votes” scheme are reportedly refusing to be interviewed by police, meaning detectives must decide whether to lay charges without questioning them first.

    Ombudsman Deborah Glass found Labor “crossed a line” in the permissible use of MP entitlements during the 2014 state election campaign, when it employed a team of field officers who were paid in part by MPs’ staff allowances to the tune of $388,000.

    Labor has since paid back the money.

    Twenty-one members of the Daniel Andrews government were named in the report as beneficiaries including six sitting ministers.

    Rob Stary, the lawyer representing 20 of the ministers named, has told police his clients will not attend interviews with fraud squad detectives, The Age
    report today.

    Police have the power to arrest the MPs without questioning them first and the ministers will retain the right to silence once in custody.

    It is understood the taskforce has been instructed not to arrest any of the MPs.

    The six sitting ministers named in the Ombudsman’s report are Energy Minister Lily D’Ambrosio, Corrections Minister Gayle Tierney, Youth Affairs Minister Jenny Mikakos, Sports Minister John Eren, Attorney-General Martin Pakula, Special Minister of State Gavin Jennings.

    The probe into the “red shirts” scandal has cost $878,855.

    The Andrews government has been dogged for more than three years by the scandal, which is named for the distinctive red T-shirts its campaigners wore during the 2014 election campaign.

    Under the rort, some campaigners’ salaries were partially paid out of MPs’ staff allowances in a practice that was found to break parliamentary rules, which stipulate that parliamentary funds cannot be used for party political purposes.




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    Both sides rort the system what’s new.
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    We can achieve much more by looking after our farmland (the soil that has to grow our food for thousands of years) and increase the storage of carbon in our soils by good management. As Christine Jones, an expert in regenerative land management, has pointed out, if farmers balance the magnesium and calcium levels in our agricultural soils we can increase soil carbon. Do this over our 450 million hectares of land, increasing the soil carbon by 3 per cent, and that will neutralise our emissions by 100 per cent for almost a century.

    That sounds delightfully simple Ian, can you direct us to the Federal support for such a scheme?
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    I see the Reserve Bank is waking up to the need for collective bargaining. Impressive list of reasons - I've read that somewhere before.

    Since [1980], the labour market has undergone a radical transformation. Business has cut the cost of labour by getting out of the business of direct employment and sourcing workers more cheaply through different structures. Those structures include supply chains, labour hire companies and franchising. A minority of Australian workers enjoy secure employment.Add to that the millions of workers employed by other small businesses and you have a growing proportion of the workforce who are unable to collectively bargain for wage increases.


    In almost five years, the number of workers employed on an enterprise agreement in the private sector has tanked by about 40%.....

    Enterprise bargaining is useless for most employees of small business. Two or three workers employed at 7 Eleven cannot effectively bargain for wage increases. Each franchise is a separate enterprise with a handful of vulnerable employees. The entity that calls the shots is the 7 Eleven head office but the workers are not allowed to bargain with it.

    Gig workers can’t bargain with an app. Casual workers have no bargaining power. If they annoy the boss, they risk not getting another shift. As we know these employees are vulnerable to predatory and unlawful wage theft. How are they supposed to bargain?

    Consider also the lot of early childhood educators, low paid workers who have tried to use the system. They have walked off the job six times in the last two years. Overwhelmingly women, they are paid less than a living wage for incredibly important work. Over 80% of the workers are employed in small centres with an average of 15 employees. They simply don’t have the bargaining power to obtain an enterprise agreement, leaving them dependent on the safety net of award rates.

    What [these workers] really need, ...is an ability to come together and bargain with the sector as a whole, to raise standards across the board, and win fair outcomes. Sector wide bargaining is permitted in a clear majority of wealthy countries.
    Bloody Communists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    We can achieve much more by looking after our farmland (the soil that has to grow our food for thousands of years) and increase the storage of carbon in our soils by good management. As Christine Jones, an expert in regenerative land management, has pointed out, if farmers balance the magnesium and calcium levels in our agricultural soils we can increase soil carbon. Do this over our 450 million hectares of land, increasing the soil carbon by 3 per cent, and that will neutralise our emissions by 100 per cent for almost a century.

    That sounds delightfully simple Ian, can you direct us to the Federal support for such a scheme?
    That doesn't need money - it needs unicorns pulling ploughs made of rainbows.
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    Enterprise bargaining
    It's a sick joke, there is no bargaining. The employer says I will pay you this much for this many hours and you will get those hours at my convenience...take it or leave it.
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    Dates to the day the HC said that non union workers were entitled to increases that the union and their members had funded a court case to get. They got a free ride, why join?
    Of course what could you expect from a pack of guns for hire, in parliament and in court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Dates to the day the HC said that non union workers were entitled to increases that the union and their members had funded a court case to get. They got a free ride, why join?
    Of course what could you expect from a pack of guns for hire, in parliament and in court.
    It was a low blow to the unions and their members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    It was a low blow to the unions and their members.
    It was just one step in a long road of making the unions behave according to the same laws that everyone else has to work to. Full disclosure of how they spent their members money was another. Still a ways to go there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    It was just one step in a long road of making the unions behave according to the same laws that everyone else has to work to. Full disclosure of how they spent their members money was another. Still a ways to go there.
    They remain several miles ahead of the banks when it comes to ethical conduct.
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    Ah, but the banks fund the LibNats, and supply fat directors positions to post politics mates. But it must be said that that sort of corruption applies to both majors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    That doesn't need money - it needs unicorns pulling ploughs made of rainbows.
    I think I saw a number the other day of how many thousand hectares of native scrub QLD farmers are clearing every year. With the support of the conservative government. Regenerative farming sounds cute, but it's probably a lefty hippy organic thing. Like wind farms.

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    The NSW LibNats just plain hate the bush.


    Clearing of native vegetation in NSW jumps 800% in three years
    New South Wales gave permission to clear over 7,000 hectares of native vegetation in 2015-16, the second highest rate of clearing in a decade, while the creation of new conservation areas and restoration of bushland has slumped under the Berejiklian government.
    In 2013-14, 900 hectares was cleared in total. In 2014-15 this jumped to 2,730 hectares and by 2015-16 it had increased to 7,390 hectares.
    At the same time measures to conserve native vegetation, such as new conservation measures and restoration, slumped to the lowest level in a decade. Restoration of native vegetation areas fell to 116,170 hectares in 2015-16, less than half the decade average.
    Weed removal programs also went into reverse, with just a tiny fraction of the areas being managed for weeds – 29,970 hectares compared to the decade average of 182,200 hectares.

    Land-clearing wipes out $1bn taxpayer-funded emissions gains

    The 2014-16 Native Vegetation report card was released following an eight-month battle by Guardian Australia in the NSW Civil and Administrative tribunal to have it released.

    The most recent report from 2016-17 has still not been released, with the department claiming it is still not complete.
    Because the data had not been released for three years, Guardian Australia attempted to use freedom of information laws to make it public.
    The data is particularly important because during that time, the Berejiklian government replaced the Native Vegetation Act, with a much more liberal regime –the Biodiversity Conservation Act 2017 – which allows farms and landholders to self-assess whether they need to make a formal application to clear land using satellite maps.
    Environmental groups and the government’s own Office of Environment and Heritage have warned that the new regime will lead to a major increase in loss of habitat, on a scale only seen in Queensland, which is the nation’s worst state for land clearing.
    A document obtained by the Nature Conservation Council (NCC) under freedom of information revealed the new land-clearing laws would cause extensive harm to wildlife habitat but pressed ahead with the changes anyway.
    “This is damning evidence that the environment minister approved these new laws knowing they would expose 99% of identified koala habitat on private land to clearing,” NCC boss, Kate Smolski, said at the time. The department also warned of a 45% spike in land clearing.

    Koalas are at the centre of a perfect storm. The species is slipping away


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    The woody vegetation report card which measures the tree cover over NSW showed fire and rural and other infrastructure development were the main causes of a major drop.
    It revealed NSW lost 106,100 hectares (0.13% of the area of the state) in 2013–14 and 40,000 hectares (0.05% of the area of the state) in 2014–15.
    The data lags the other data by one year. The data shows clearing for crops, pasture and thinning increased slightly, by 1%, in 2013–14 compared to 2012–1 and 5% from 2013–14 to 2014–15.
    The rate of clearing due to rural and major infrastructure increased by 23% from 2012–13 to 2013–14 and there was was a further 4% increase in the clearing rate from 2013–14 to 2014–15.


    The loss from fire was an order of magnitude higher than the rates for other years. Several large fires occurred across the Blue Mountains and the NSW Central Coast in October 2013. In 2014–15 there was a significant decrease in the rate of mapped fire scars from 71,900 hectares per year to 6,700 hectares per year.
    The new Biodiversity Conservation Act came into force in August 2017. Figures on its impact may not be available for at least two years, judging by the department’s slow release of data under the old Act.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/04/clearing-of-native-vegetation-in-nsw-jumps-800-in-three-years?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR0bEU_Qed9hUvaW-o7P0jnTpUn0QQ7TdTWS5s7Y5i_CReEJ-EYxq-SeoOQ
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    It was just one step in a long road of making the unions behave according to the same laws that everyone else has to work to.
    What rot, it was transparently about diluting the incentives to join a union.

    Now the supply side is stuck in a hole of their own making; with customers whose incomes are stagnant, growing public anger, growing political focus and growing clarity about the nature of the problem. Having disempowered working people, the supply side will ultimately be disempowered when regulators HAVE to step in hard (watch the banks).

    To peddle the old propaganda at this point is ideology gone stupid.

    If I, for example, owned a pub in a popular tourist destination, I’d be pretty adamant that I wanted more people in my biggest market, to have more disposable income. The ONLY way they are getting that – according to the left wing lunatics at the reserve bank – is to collectively bargain. i.e. I would be calling for stronger unions. (unless I was ideologically blind and was prepared to shoot myself in the foot rather than see working class people better off - after all tax cuts is what happens to rich people).
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    The NSW LibNats just plain hate the bush.


    Clearing of native vegetation in NSW jumps 800% in three years
    I trained as a painter but i rarely contemplate going back to being an artist.
    But every now and then i fantasize about making a series of paintings of all the people who have the power to create change for the better but use it to make things worse.

    I imagine dutch renaissance style portraits of politicians surrounded by symbols of their failures hanging in Art galleries in a couple of centuries time. ScoMo for example in full Prime Ministerial repose with a lump of coal on his desk. Abbot looking whistfully out a window with a windfarm on the horizon and a mouse running into a hole in the wall. Dutton standing on a pile of emaciated children, while trying to smile.

    Amongst other things these people are obsessed with themselves and their legacy. It'd be nice to send a clear signal to show what history will remember them for.
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    A new series of PM portraits, Gillard holding the hand of an RC choir boy? I like it.
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    Imagine Trumps picture.
    Maybe something like the Raft of the Medusa?
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    A painting of the former head of the CIA in an official pose, smiling while surrounded by detainees at various stages of the water boarding process.......and standing in a corner mouthing off his "all the way with the USA" platitudes is little Johnny Howard.......that would be nice!
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    Resettled Nauru refugees unhappy in US:

    Asylum seekers resettled in the United States have been complaining back to friends in Nauru about the conditions in their new country, Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton claims.

    “We are seeing ... reports of people that have gone from Nauru to the United States saying it is harder than they thought because they need to find work in the United States,” Mr Dutton told parliament on Thursday.

    “And they are saying to people on Nauru now you would be better to go to New Zealand or Australia because they have a better welfare system.” — AAP
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    Well if Dutton says it......
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    .....smart people. I'd rather live in Australia or NZ than the USA.
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    and in the USA if you don't have a job you have no health care. A serious consideration for those with refugee status and accumulated trauma.
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    Julia Banks has just done the best thing in parliament a Liberal has done in years. Brocken rank on the refugee issue. Good on her!
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    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...-politics-live

    Well done ! An ethical Liberal, amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    What rot, it was transparently about diluting the incentives to join a union.

    Now the supply side is stuck in a hole of their own making; with customers whose incomes are stagnant, growing public anger, growing political focus and growing clarity about the nature of the problem. Having disempowered working people, the supply side will ultimately be disempowered when regulators HAVE to step in hard (watch the banks).

    To peddle the old propaganda at this point is ideology gone stupid.

    If I, for example, owned a pub in a popular tourist destination, I’d be pretty adamant that I wanted more people in my biggest market, to have more disposable income. The ONLY way they are getting that – according to the left wing lunatics at the reserve bank – is to collectively bargain. i.e. I would be calling for stronger unions. (unless I was ideologically blind and was prepared to shoot myself in the foot rather than see working class people better off - after all tax cuts is what happens to rich people).
    Left wing...really?
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    .....hyperbole?
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    Ms Banks may be resigning as a Liberal, but it seems she was keen to talk to Julia, and may be thinking of standing an an independent in her present seat………….

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    She would be unlikely to get Liberal Preselection after standing up to the uber right.
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