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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Poor old Ian has lost his mirror yet again.
    Come off it, you lefties do nothing but bitch and moan about anyone who gets off their butt and does something. The world doesn't owe you a living

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    What are you whinging about now ?
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    Speaking of which, I am watching a guy working here. Between the two stumps of arms, he's got a grand total of about 150mm of them. His job? Pushing empty shopping trolleys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    What are you whinging about now ?
    Pot, meet Kettle. Get your mirror.

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    I haven't been complaining, you're delusional.... again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Speaking of which, I am watching a guy working here. Between the two stumps of arms, he's got a grand total of about 150mm of them. His job? Pushing empty shopping trolleys.
    Whats his hourly rate? And you realise if he didnt have that job, hed probably starve to death. Yet you seem to suggest this is a good model of society. At least thats what I read into your post, given your politics. Let me know if Ive misunderstood Or if you prefer, just comment on my punctuation. i blame it on alcoholism and poor birth. But lets see wot u have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Whats his hourly rate? And you realise if he didnt have that job, hed probably starve to death. Yet you seem to suggest this is a good model of society. At least thats what I read into your post, given your politics. Let me know if Ive misunderstood Or if you prefer, just comment on my punctuation. i blame it on alcoholism and poor birth. But lets see wot u have.
    Sorry to hear about the alcoholism and birth problem. Yes, you've misunderstood. There's absolutely no way he would starve to death in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    I haven't been complaining, you're delusional.... again.
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    Poor old Ian has lost his mirror yet again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Sorry to hear about the alcoholism and birth problem. Yes, you've misunderstood. There's absolutely no way he would starve to death in this country.
    No you won't starve but the chances are you will be stuck in the rental cycle with buckley's chance of ever owning a home.
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    Don't feed the troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    I haven't been complaining, you're delusional.... again.
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    Poor old Ian has lost his mirror yet again.
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    Don't feed the troll.
    You are indeed trolling hard

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    No you won't starve but the chances are you will be stuck in the rental cycle with buckley's chance of ever owning a home.
    And from left field.... out near planet Neptune, we get this.

    Which particular discussion were you referring to?

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    House prices 'falling by over $1,000 a week' in Sydney and Melbourne, Deloitte says

    RELATED STORY: Chart of the day: House prices are slipping, and we're not alone
    RELATED STORY: The good, the bad and the ugly of Australia's house price fall

    The boom time is over and we're now officially experiencing the "house price fall we had to have", according to Deloitte Access Economics's latest business outlook.
    Key points:

    • Melbourne and Sydney expected to bear the brunt of the house price drop
    • Interest rates are tipped to rise — slowly
    • Wage growth is making "glacial gains" since bottoming out in 2016



    It has found what many had been predicting: prices are dipping as interest rates are rising, with our biggest cities feeling the winds of change most keenly.
    "Our house prices here in Australia had streaked past anything sensible by way of valuation," said Deloitte partner Chris Richardson.
    "Now, finally gravity has caught up with that stupidity and prices are falling.
    "In Sydney and Melbourne, housing prices are falling by over $1,000 a week."

    More at ..... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-...ction=politics

    It's a scary time for those with big mortgages.
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    In fairness. Gary seems to have missed the fact that this discussion is about a poor bloke in Thailand with no arms, who has a job pushing empty trolleys around a car park. He does it not because he needs to, but as his contribution to society, and for the pure enjoyment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    You should try harder. You could have squeezed all of that into a single quasi-sentence.
    I should try harder? You don't even bother to have a linear conversation. Your posts smack of pretence while spouting false assumptions about others.
    Consider for a moment, if you have any capacity to do so, that all of us occupy different positions along the "Left to Right" continuum. Otherwise you condemn yourself to small minded pettiness.
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    I think our resident rightie is a bit bored. Likely the local gendarmie aren't too keen on him flying his drone…………….

    I'm a bit bored too, it seems none of our 3rd rate Fed. politicos have learnt much over the last two decades. Same old same old.
    Locally Labour is producing the goods he promised last time, the Libs are promising to rebuild the heavy rail lines that Kennett and a few generations of both parties pulled up. Not going to happen.
    Law and order getting it's usual run.

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    Catalyst was very good tonight. 3D printed prosthetic hands, feet, legs, knees.
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    Too damn busy for TV at present. I'm mounting work for the exhibition next weekend and fielding emails about 3 different matters. The regatta dinner (lack of large enough venue). My volunteer job (old farm machinery and H&S) and a family matter that I got roped into, that lot are more trouble than they are worth.

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    NSW Renewable Energy Minister owns shares in a coal company.
    Nationals MP Ben Franklin, was today exposed for owning shares in coal company Firestone Energy Pty Ltd.
    The social contract that bestows authority — both moral and legal — on our political leaders is struck on the trust that they know what they are doing and will always act in our best interests:

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    And from left field.... out near planet Neptune, we get this.

    Which particular discussion were you referring to?
    You made this comment.
    There's absolutely no way he would starve to death in this country.
    I pointed out that you are right he would not starve in this country, however...
    The social contract that bestows authority — both moral and legal — on our political leaders is struck on the trust that they know what they are doing and will always act in our best interests:

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    NSW Renewable Energy Minister owns shares in a coal company.
    Nationals MP Ben Franklin, was today exposed for owning shares in coal company Firestone Energy Pty Ltd.
    Somewhat divided loyalties !!! or perhaps royalties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Too damn busy for TV at present. I'm mounting work for the exhibition next weekend and fielding emails about 3 different matters. The regatta dinner (lack of large enough venue). My volunteer job (old farm machinery and H&S) and a family matter that I got roped into, that lot are more trouble than they are worth.
    Old farm machinery and H&S. Have fun with that one.

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    Yeah, same with old printing and typecasting machinery. Designed to do you harm.

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    There is likely a sociology doctorate in an examination of the relationship between machinery design and employer liability for injury under law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Old farm machinery and H&S. Have fun with that one.
    There's a great John Prine line that goes...There's roosters laying chickens and chickens laying eggs, farm machinery eating peoples arms and legs.
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    We fiddle, our coal burns across the globe


    Illustration: Eric Lobbecke


    • By JOHN WILLIAMS


    Debate about coal-fired electricity and climate change has heated up recently with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s latest report and people such as former Liberal leader John Hewson entering the debate on the side or renewables.

    Take a look at the facts: Australia has 22 operating coal-fired generating plants of at least 30 megawatts capacity producing 128 million tonnes of CO2 annually, with no plans to construct any more. Compare that with China, our biggest trading partner, which has more than 1000 coal-fired power generating plants operating to the same capacity and a further 130 under construction. These plants emit 4271 million tonnes of CO2. The 130 others due to come online will produce more CO2 than Australia produces. And yet so many people believe that we are going to change the world.

    No, we don’t have a large tent over our country. We are part of the globe. India has 292 operating coal-fired plants and a further 41 under construction, emitting more than 1000 million tonnes of CO2.

    Facts don’t lie — between 2016 and last year coal-fired generation in the Asia-Pacific region increased by 330 terawatt hours, contributing 66 per cent to increased electricity supply. That is the equivalent of 33 Hazelwoods. These power plants will burn coal, so the options are: do they burn the cleaner, more efficient, higher-energy coal from Australia or do they burn the second-rate, poorer quality coal from overseas that will put more CO2emissions into the atmosphere?

    This is the crazy scenario we are facing. Coal-fired power generators are being built around the world, but how many are being built in Australia? None. And worse still, we are actually shutting them down. Since Hazelwood shut, prices have doubled in Victoria and NSW, and increased by more than 70 per cent in South Australia, Tasmania and Queensland. And to think that Australia is a country so rich in energy.

    Australia is responsible for 1.3 per cent of the world’s emissions. Chief Scientist Alan Finkel told Senate estimates that reducing the world’s carbon emissions by 1.3 per cent (in other words, Australia’s contribution) would have almost no impact on the world’s climate. But we all know it will have an impact on our economy, our standard of living and the way we do business.

    I’m a big supporter of renewable energy on one condition — it competes on a level playing field. The fact is, with renewable energy certificates at $80Mwh, one wind turbine will be paid a $700,000-a-year subsidy by those who are connected to the grid before a single watt of electricity is sold. Families, pensioners, supermarkets, engineering workshops, small businesses, big businesses — all will pay. This is a big advantage to renewable energy at a huge cost to consumers of electricity.

    Another problem we face is that businesses will relocate overseas because of our energy costs, and the country they move to will actually put out more CO2 doing exactly the same job. We lose businesses, jobs and money — and the result is more CO2 emissions. Not a great idea in my book.

    Face the facts. Along with China’s 130 coal-fired plants under construction, India has 41, Indonesia 20 and many other countries, including Japan, are doing similar.

    We can achieve much more by looking after our farmland (the soil that has to grow our food for thousands of years) and increase the storage of carbon in our soils by good management. As Christine Jones, an expert in regenerative land management, has pointed out, if farmers balance the magnesium and calcium levels in our agricultural soils we can increase soil carbon. Do this over our 450 million hectares of land, increasing the soil carbon by 3 per cent, and that will neutralise our emissions by 100 per cent for almost a century.

    This will achieve CO2 abatement and protect our food supply. That is a real solution — a win-win.


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    Bloke I used to paddle with had his arm torn off by a combine harvester………… of course he was doing something completely stupid at the time………………….

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Bloke I used to paddle with had his arm torn off by a combine harvester………… of course he was doing something completely stupid at the time………………….
    Trying to turn the politics thread into a farce, because the truth hurts, eh? Definite troll behaviour.

    Meanwhile, the left seems wont to ignore this issue too:

    Victoria Labor MPs caught in ‘Red shirt’ rort scheme refuse police interview


    Premier of Victoria Daniel Andrews marches with protesters. Picture: Getty




    Victorian Labor MPs embroiled in the “Rorts for Votes” scheme are reportedly refusing to be interviewed by police, meaning detectives must decide whether to lay charges without questioning them first.

    Ombudsman Deborah Glass found Labor “crossed a line” in the permissible use of MP entitlements during the 2014 state election campaign, when it employed a team of field officers who were paid in part by MPs’ staff allowances to the tune of $388,000.

    Labor has since paid back the money.

    Twenty-one members of the Daniel Andrews government were named in the report as beneficiaries including six sitting ministers.

    Rob Stary, the lawyer representing 20 of the ministers named, has told police his clients will not attend interviews with fraud squad detectives, The Age
    report today.

    Police have the power to arrest the MPs without questioning them first and the ministers will retain the right to silence once in custody.

    It is understood the taskforce has been instructed not to arrest any of the MPs.

    The six sitting ministers named in the Ombudsman’s report are Energy Minister Lily D’Ambrosio, Corrections Minister Gayle Tierney, Youth Affairs Minister Jenny Mikakos, Sports Minister John Eren, Attorney-General Martin Pakula, Special Minister of State Gavin Jennings.

    The probe into the “red shirts” scandal has cost $878,855.

    The Andrews government has been dogged for more than three years by the scandal, which is named for the distinctive red T-shirts its campaigners wore during the 2014 election campaign.

    Under the rort, some campaigners’ salaries were partially paid out of MPs’ staff allowances in a practice that was found to break parliamentary rules, which stipulate that parliamentary funds cannot be used for party political purposes.





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    Both sides rort the system what’s new.
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    We can achieve much more by looking after our farmland (the soil that has to grow our food for thousands of years) and increase the storage of carbon in our soils by good management. As Christine Jones, an expert in regenerative land management, has pointed out, if farmers balance the magnesium and calcium levels in our agricultural soils we can increase soil carbon. Do this over our 450 million hectares of land, increasing the soil carbon by 3 per cent, and that will neutralise our emissions by 100 per cent for almost a century.

    That sounds delightfully simple Ian, can you direct us to the Federal support for such a scheme?
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    I see the Reserve Bank is waking up to the need for collective bargaining. Impressive list of reasons - I've read that somewhere before.

    Since [1980], the labour market has undergone a radical transformation. Business has cut the cost of labour by getting out of the business of direct employment and sourcing workers more cheaply through different structures. Those structures include supply chains, labour hire companies and franchising. A minority of Australian workers enjoy secure employment.Add to that the millions of workers employed by other small businesses and you have a growing proportion of the workforce who are unable to collectively bargain for wage increases.


    In almost five years, the number of workers employed on an enterprise agreement in the private sector has tanked by about 40%.....

    Enterprise bargaining is useless for most employees of small business. Two or three workers employed at 7 Eleven cannot effectively bargain for wage increases. Each franchise is a separate enterprise with a handful of vulnerable employees. The entity that calls the shots is the 7 Eleven head office but the workers are not allowed to bargain with it.

    Gig workers can’t bargain with an app. Casual workers have no bargaining power. If they annoy the boss, they risk not getting another shift. As we know these employees are vulnerable to predatory and unlawful wage theft. How are they supposed to bargain?

    Consider also the lot of early childhood educators, low paid workers who have tried to use the system. They have walked off the job six times in the last two years. Overwhelmingly women, they are paid less than a living wage for incredibly important work. Over 80% of the workers are employed in small centres with an average of 15 employees. They simply don’t have the bargaining power to obtain an enterprise agreement, leaving them dependent on the safety net of award rates.

    What [these workers] really need, ...is an ability to come together and bargain with the sector as a whole, to raise standards across the board, and win fair outcomes. Sector wide bargaining is permitted in a clear majority of wealthy countries.
    Bloody Communists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    We can achieve much more by looking after our farmland (the soil that has to grow our food for thousands of years) and increase the storage of carbon in our soils by good management. As Christine Jones, an expert in regenerative land management, has pointed out, if farmers balance the magnesium and calcium levels in our agricultural soils we can increase soil carbon. Do this over our 450 million hectares of land, increasing the soil carbon by 3 per cent, and that will neutralise our emissions by 100 per cent for almost a century.

    That sounds delightfully simple Ian, can you direct us to the Federal support for such a scheme?
    That doesn't need money - it needs unicorns pulling ploughs made of rainbows.
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    Enterprise bargaining
    It's a sick joke, there is no bargaining. The employer says I will pay you this much for this many hours and you will get those hours at my convenience...take it or leave it.
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    Dates to the day the HC said that non union workers were entitled to increases that the union and their members had funded a court case to get. They got a free ride, why join?
    Of course what could you expect from a pack of guns for hire, in parliament and in court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Dates to the day the HC said that non union workers were entitled to increases that the union and their members had funded a court case to get. They got a free ride, why join?
    Of course what could you expect from a pack of guns for hire, in parliament and in court.
    It was a low blow to the unions and their members.
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