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    Frances Shapter emailed, any relation Purri?
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    Yes, though we think abt 4 to 5 generations back as I'm 71. One mob in VIC abt 1885, the NSW mob 1836 but the Pate mob who married in are back to 1st born here to 2 convicts in 1795. A Darling ancestor ( Alfred D.) was a Luddite rioter sentenced to death in 1831. ("Convicts of the Eleanor") has quite a bit on the survivors of the trip. Solid Labour Party quals for membership, don't you think? My GGGM was a Darling.
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    Candidate material for sure !
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    ^ But unlikely to be nominated or seconded as old family Party clans dominate and have done so since the seat (Federal) was first created about 1928. The State seat has been occupied since inception by the same Troglodyte chieftains except for the the last Lib with a 2% margin and no chance of re-election. BTW as for credo in LAB circles I handed over a gig of an Indigenous national training institute to Warren Mundine after I burnt out from 10 years in the gig. He has some tales of internecine Labor party warfare! Hopefully Albo sets things right.

    Anyway watch Sherpa Ruit on russkified ABC soon/tonight with the institute's work, I'm off next door to Gabi H's place to catch up with him, Sanduk and Siddarth. Maybe the Eritrean mob will be there.

    Meanwhile the Libs have worse issues to deal with.
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    Big business rolling into politics to the sound of ACDC's Thunderstruck.
    He should get them to regulate guns, after all they know more about them than anyone else.

    Just reading Richard Denniss's Quarterly Essay - the effect of neo-liberal language on the liberal party (i paraphrase).
    The likes of Dutton telling everyone that privatisation is necessary because politicians are rubbish at running stuff and can't be trusted - means people think politicians are rubbish and can't be trusted. So they flee to minority parties.

    I hadn't realised the extent to which it is ex-Liberal voters who are largely transitioning to no notion, katter, et al.
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    7.30 are doing a segment on the Timor bugging and the subsequent legal actions.

    Someone, likely Downer and the government, has something to hide.

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    That whole episode stinks to high heaven !!!
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    An interesting read on a rising Indonesia. https://www.australianforeignaffairs...inue%20reading
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    ^ I said much the same in the late 60s and was howled down for it.
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    I think they thought the US would turn up if things got unpleasant…………………. I sometimes think of Dr. Mahatia's comment about the 'white trash of Asia'.

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    And as an aside, underpayment. It seems the round 50% of food service outlets are underpaying their staff and may not actually be viable.
    I've been saying that for years. Half the small businesses that were 'outcompeted' in the suburbs may have been 'outcompeted' on a less than legal basis.

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    I think that was Lee Kwan Yu
    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    I think they thought the US would turn up if things got unpleasant…………………. I sometimes think of Dr. Mahatia's comment about the 'white trash of Asia'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    An interesting read on a rising Indonesia. https://www.australianforeignaffairs...inue%20reading
    Put beside the treatment of East Timor it smacks of arrogance. Is it beneath Australia to work closely with Asians? Must they always be the enemy or someone from whom an advantage can be wrought?
    There are consequences for always being disrespectful.

    The Abbott on Islam during his Priministership;
    "Cultures are not all equal. We should be ready to proclaim the clear superiority of our culture to one that justifies killing people in the name of God," Mr Abbott wrote.
    There you go, a billion(?) people reduced to murders.

    What was the excuse for screwing the Timorese? Australian National Interest! What BS - Downer and co got cushy jobs, others were promoted into obscurity.
    Timor (and the whole region) saw duplicity laid bare and China is investing in schools, hospitals and roads in countries right inside our area of military influence. Its hard to intimidate an enemy destroyer with sinking when it's called 'The Solomon Islands'.
    Australian National Interest confused with corporate greed.
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    Interesting analysis of the Jobs figures from the Bureau of Statistics;
    https://www.theguardian.com/business...n-get-it-twice


    The unemployment rate in April was 4.1%
    Reflecting on that this morning, and the never ending mantra from wingnuts that "there's plenty of work, they're just lazy!", I asked "who is that 4%?"
    some of it, a small portion, will be people between jobs.

    The rest must be the least employable people in the country, no?
    Chronically ill, very low IQ, mentally ill, people with extremely low education, people who self esteem has been destroyed by abuse and so on.
    Victims of ageism and sexism - employers famously don't think older people are any value.
    Is it reasonable to expect the rate to be lower than this to the point where punishing these people is acceptable?

    On a bell curve of employable people, we're talking about an extreme end at the least employable. Don't we just have to accept that? By punishing and humiliating them aren't we just shaming ourselves?
    It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

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    The Libs see themselves as "self made men", that along with their compassion and empathy bypass surgery has them almost blind to anyone not ''succeeding'' in terms they can quantify in dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    7.30 are doing a segment on the Timor bugging and the subsequent legal actions.

    Someone, likely Downer and the government, has something to hide.
    First Dog on the Moon has taken up the leash....
    bad pun,bad....down boy.....

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rom-the-inside
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    ​"Life is under no obligation to give us what we expect." Irrfan Khan. RIP

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Interesting analysis of the Jobs figures from the Bureau of Statistics;
    https://www.theguardian.com/business...n-get-it-twice


    The unemployment rate in April was 4.1%
    Reflecting on that this morning, and the never ending mantra from wingnuts that "there's plenty of work, they're just lazy!", I asked "who is that 4%?"
    some of it, a small portion, will be people between jobs.

    The rest must be the least employable people in the country, no?
    Chronically ill, very low IQ, mentally ill, people with extremely low education, people who self esteem has been destroyed by abuse and so on.
    Victims of ageism and sexism - employers famously don't think older people are any value.
    Is it reasonable to expect the rate to be lower than this to the point where punishing these people is acceptable?

    On a bell curve of employable people, we're talking about an extreme end at the least employable. Don't we just have to accept that? By punishing and humiliating them aren't we just shaming ourselves?
    See#21796, Legally unviable businesses underpaying their staff. But it counts as a job in the stats, ergo, nothing will be done if it can be got away with.

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    Hmm, if personal data is compulsorily placed on a data base by a company, and then hacked, compensation can apply if you sue.
    If personal data is compulsorily placed on a data base by a government, and then hacked, should the government be held accountable without recourse to a suit?
    Medical data about everyone is about to be placed on such a database and all sorts of organisations and businesses will have 'official' access. There's nothing surer than that it will be hacked internationally, or even accessed illegally by interested parties like insurance and finance companies. The government being the enforcer of the legislation should be the body held responsible in the first instance, what about the hacking of secondary sources?

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    Yes it will be hacked but medically, in case of an emergency away from home for instance, it will have huge benefits.

    You're unconscious after a car accident in ICU. Are you allergic to the following drugs ?....etc.
    Doctor shopping for Fentanil ?
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    Well thank you mr. Stiglitz.

    http://evonomics.com/joseph-stiglitz...earned-income/

    A link posted on another thread, but so pertinent to conversations here.
    Interesting to learn more about the meaning of rent - i had no idea it had such a broad application in economics.

    The term ‘rent’ was originally used to describe the returns to land, since the owner of the land receives these payments by virtue of his or his ownership and not because of anything he or she does. The term was then extended to include monopoly profits (or monopoly rents)— the income that one receives simply from control of a monopoly— and in general returns due to similar ownership claims. Thus, rent-seeking means getting an income not as a reward for creating wealth but by grabbing a larger share of the wealth that would have been produced anyway. Indeed, rent-seekers typically destroy wealth, as a by-product of their taking away from others. A monopolist who overcharges for her or his product takes money from those whom she or he is overcharging and at the same time destroys value.
    It is also well documented that banks deemed ‘too big to fail’ enjoy a rent due to an implicit state guarantee. Investors know that these large financial institutions can count, in effect, on a government guarantee, and thus they are willing to provide them funds at lower interest rates. The big banks can thus prosper not because they are more efficient or provide better service but because they are in effect subsidised by taxpayers.
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    Population policy anyone? An enquiry being called for.
    Maybe not a party bi-partisan matter, but the opinions will certainly cross party lines. And with an election coming the debate itself could be somewhat unpredictable for both majors.

    And I reckon Purri will have something to say about it!

    And why we are about it, MyHealth. Opt in or opt out?
    Do you trust governments, the PS, the medical profession, the hackers, the market in illegally accessed information,…………….. the 'hangers on' that will inevitably be given accesss over time?
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    Opt in, downsides considered. I have a few health issues now and if I go bad away from home this could be very useful. It may even prove a useful tool for controlling doctor shopping and opiate misuse.
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    Well, after 'the liars conference' as someone called it this morning how will our politicians react? Will they react for that matter considering how compromised they are by their own history.

    And I see that fat corporate bonuses are still well and truly on the books despite the RC.

    And the more I think about it the more likely I will be to opt out of the medical records scheme. But I reckon it's only a matter of time before we have no choice, likely by stealth. From the British experience efforts to 'commercialise' the data, sell it in other words, are likely to be mirrored here.
    And of course it will be as leaky as a sieve.
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    Craig Kelley, facing a preselection battle seems to have gone quite off the rails. Full Donald with somersalt and all the inconsistencies.

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    9 out of a possible 10 for self destructive tendencies.
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    Tell me again, the family unit is a fundamental cornerstone of conservative politics?

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...aks-of-despair

    Once again Australia basks in the spot light of the United Nations.
    How do you say Sayonara in Tamill?
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    I regard this as a criminal action by all concerned, PM, Minister, right down to the operatives who put him on the plane. And if he dies in custody or by malfeasance, then the charge should range from accessory before the fact of murder down to manslaughter for the lower ranks.
    Nuremberg judgement as a precedent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Tell me again, the family unit is a fundamental cornerstone of conservative politics?

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...aks-of-despair

    Once again Australia basks in the spot light of the United Nations.
    How do you say Sayonara in Tamill?
    White families . I think our history of taking Aborigine children away made that clear.
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    I am a bit amused tonight, Bolt seems to think, from a cursory look at the page, that Donald can be excused his possibly treasonous behaviour on the grounds of diminished responsibility. To quote directly he's "dumb".

    And David Marr on Kelly, to paraphrase, 'Situation normal for NSW politics, the gold medal state for corruption. But plenty of competition for silver and bronze from the others".
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    Oh dear, you reminded me of that miserable creature, Bolt.
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    VOTES SWING
    COALITION 47.7% -2.6%
    LABOR 52.3% +2.6%
    Coalition 38.4% -3.4%
    Labor 36.7% +1.9%
    Greens 9.8% -0.4%
    One Nation 6.4% +5.1%

    https://www.pollbludger.net/

    SEATS CHANGE
    COALITION 60 -16
    LABOR 86 +17
    Others 5


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    Why am I less than enthusiastic about those numbers……….. But at least Dutton and Morrison would lose their jobs, and hopefully their seats.

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    That in itself would be a Great Leap Forward.
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