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    Imagine what the shouty men would say if welfare recipients said, "I'm entitled to more money because she's my partner, but the fact that she earns a mint is irrelevant because she's not my partner - by the way we want to go across the country, any chance you could cover the costs?".


    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...rests-register


    I wonder who Joyce will spend his family travel allowance on now.
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    Now for my typical lefty :;;
    If it was designed to remind Cabinet members of the consequences of their actions then perhaps we should start a petition to have them build, next to the war memorial, a monument in remembrance of the civilian casualties
    of the Iraq Invasion........
    or, if we want to feed the other hand, a mega you beut digital display showing in real time how shares in the major military manufacturing corporations are going...........




    • Lockheed Martin Corporation.
    • The Boeing Company. ...
    • Raytheon Company. ...
    • General Dynamics Corporation. ...
    • Northrop Grumman Corporation. ...
    • United Technologies Corporation. ...
    • L-3 Communications. ...
    • BAE Systems.



    ................the only manufacturing sector left in the USA that hasn't moved, lock stock and barrel offshore to China.

    the non partisan bit:

    And now Danny Andrews and the Victorian Labour Party are doing their best to get us into the race for a slice of the devils pie.
    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Imagine what the shouty men would say if welfare recipients said, "I'm entitled to more money because she's my partner, but the fact that she earns a mint is irrelevant because she's not my partner - by the way we want to go across the country, any chance you could cover the costs?".


    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...rests-register


    I wonder who Joyce will spend his family travel allowance on now.
    Careful Barnaby, carefull........
    That is more like it.
    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallam View Post
    Now for my typical lefty :;;
    If it was designed to remind Cabinet members of the consequences of their actions then perhaps we should start a petition to have them build, next to the war memorial, a monument in remembrance of the civilian casualties
    of the Iraq Invasion........

    or, if we want to feed the other hand, a mega you beut digital display showing in real time how shares in the major military manufacturing corporations are going...........




    • Lockheed Martin Corporation.
    • The Boeing Company. ...
    • Raytheon Company. ...
    • General Dynamics Corporation. ...
    • Northrop Grumman Corporation. ...
    • United Technologies Corporation. ...
    • L-3 Communications. ...
    • BAE Systems.



    ................the only manufacturing sector left in the USA that hasn't moved, lock stock and barrel offshore to China.

    the non partisan bit:

    And now Danny Andrews and the Victorian Labour Party are doing their best to get us into the race for a slice of the devils pie.
    That will happen the same day you see Blair, Howard and Bush in the dock at the Hague.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Speaking of Danny.... I read something about him wanting to legislate for consultants to be unionised. He'll bury the Labor Party before he's finished.
    Don't know about that but I think there should be more oversight on their work, the one's advising the LibNats are definitely on the wrong track.
    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Tony Abbott says Michaelia Cash must have 'had a brain snap' – as it happened
    Tony Abbott, speaking to 2GB, said he has “not the foggiest idea” what Michaelia Cash was talking about and can only assume “the minister had a brain snap”.
    “There has been so much cheap smear and it must end. It is bad when it comes from the Labor party, it is bad when it comes from the Liberal party, and it is particularly bad when it comes from a minister of the crown.
    “... I have no idea what was going through her mind at the time … I gathered she has apologised and she certainly should.”
    Let that sink in for a moment. Tony Abbott just had the most appropriate reaction from anyone we have heard from in the government today on this.
    Maybe because he is no longer the worst former minister for women this country has ever seen.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...-politics-live

    MICHAELIA CASH'S SLUT SHAMING threat of young women in Bill Shorten's office was well out of order.

    The outburst will forever stain her political reputation and she is undeserving of representing us as a minister, let alone as a politician – and one who is a former Minister for Women. She needs to be turfed, Prime Minister.

    Cash was prepared to sully the reputation of “young” women working in Bill Shorten's office and, by imputation, all young women working in Parliament House and throughout the nation.
    It was indiscriminate, cruel and unfair. And I consider her remarks verbal assaulting and abusive.

    Cash cannot be held up as a role model. We don't need her. Not the spite she brings to the job. We can do better. Bring on challenging, communicative, argumentative, consultative, inspiring, curious, warrior women, but dump the Michaelian malice..
    Already predictable jokes abound — about menses, menopause and assertions that if Cash can't stand the heat she should get back into the kitchen. Go check out the talent spotter for My Kitchen Rules, Michaelia. Get yourself a new job.


    And don't you dare front up at Centrelink.


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    Did you notice how her apology was not really an apology...IF I have offended anyone..if?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Did you notice how her apology was not really an apology...IF I have offended anyone..if?
    One of the reasons she is not liked in her own office. She is considered to be a bully.
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    Angry and malicious .
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    Puts the PM in a spot, he can't dismiss her now. Maybe a little later meantime the opposition can make hay…………..or cash in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Your misogyny is showing
    No what she said was wrong, irrespective of the fact she is female. Though it certainly doesn't help her case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Your misogyny is showing
    Errrr ........not my article Sunshine.

    Tess Lawrence

    Tess Lawrence is a broadcaster, journalist advocate and specialist in ethical media services and crisis management and consultant in media strategy, contentious multi-cultural, interfaith, human rights and issues of injustice.
    She has taught at a number of institutions, including Deakin University in Ethics and New Reporting and is a forensic researcher and analyst (communications) and implemented, underwrote and directed the campaign seeking sanctuary for the surviving Iraqi soldiers responsible for the rescue of Australian hostage Douglas Wood. Tess Lawrence was the first female feature writer permitted to sit in the previously all-male Features Department at the Melbourne Herald.

    She has the distinction of travelling around Saudi Arabia sans a male chaperone and sought sanctuary in "the empty quarter" in the company of the bedu who protected her from regime spies as she spent time in the desert after the first Gulf War. She was nonetheless arrested three times by the religious police. She remains a defiant adulte terrible and is a passionate advocate of citizen journalism and believes it to be an authentic voice of the journalist as witness.

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    She makes good points.
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    I'd say Cash's misogyny is the misogyny with lights on it at the moment .
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    I'd say Cash's misogyny is the misogyny with lights on it at the moment .
    Take a bow Mr Sibley.
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    You're making a habit of this Ian!
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    Tasmanian Liberals want to water down their gun laws, something gunners everywhere have in common.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-0...ction=politics

    Tasmania's Premier has denied trying to sneak through a plan to water down guns laws, releasing information to the shooters lobby during the election campaign.
    The Liberals have promised changes to gun laws if elected, including extending firearms licence periods.
    The proposal was sent to a firearms consultation group about three weeks ago, but was not released publicly.
    The Sporting Shooters Association has welcomed a commitment to double the length of licences to 10 years for Category A and B firearms.
    It said a statement, the Liberal Party also pledged infringement notices for minor breaches of gun storage rules rather than summons and firearm seizures.
    Premier Will Hodgman has denied it would amount to watering down of the gun controls brought in two decades ago, after the Port Arthur massacre.
    He also rejected suggestions it was sneaky for his government to not have made the information available on the party's website.
    "I don't believe it to be so, key stakeholders or those with an interest in this have been advised, it's publicly available," he said.
    The Premier said the party was trying to strike a balance between the needs of farmers and complying with national gun laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    So, not a single watermelon will comment about the remarks Senator Douggie Cameron was making about staff, ahead of what Senator Michaelia Cash had to say?

    You just chase the women do you?

    It's OK for men to do it, not women?

    What a pitiful bunch of misogynists.

    Shame on you all.
    Okay so what did Cameron say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Tasmanian Liberals want to water down their gun laws, something gunners everywhere have in common.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-0...ction=politics
    The Liberal Party also pledged infringement notices for minor breaches of gun storage rules rather than summons and firearm seizures.

    How is this a step in the right direction ?
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    The rural gunner vote is a strong one everywhere.
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    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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    Michaelia Cash is what you get when you hire on merit. Or at least the Liberal Party's version of merit.
    Merit. That's the excuse used by the party of the Prime Minister to keep women in their places. The Liberal argument goes that there can be no mechanism such as quotas to ensure decent representation of women or minorities in the party because that would get in the way of getting the best person for the job.


    So when they went looking for the best person for the job, a senator in Western Australia, they found Cash. They wanted someone just like them.
    They found her.

    • Minister for Jobs and Innovation Michaelia Cash during the estimates hearing on Wednesday. Photo: Alex EllinghausenA woman who behaves exactly like a man. The sneering, the threats, the bullying, the intimidation, all on show in Senate estimates on Wednesday. This, of course, is all par for the course among male politicians; and you can hear their appalling behaviour in question time.

    But on Wednesday, we heard Cash at her worst. Actually not just her worst.



    Michaelia Cash at her worst threatening over rumours about staffers during estimates

    Michaelia Cash is what you get when you hire on merit. Or at least the Liberal Party's version of merit.
    Merit. That's the excuse used by the party of the Prime Minister to keep women in their places. The Liberal argument goes that there can be no mechanism such as quotas to ensure decent representation of women or minorities in the party because that would get in the way of getting the best person for the job.

    So when they went looking for the best person for the job, a senator in Western Australia, they found Cash. They wanted someone just like them.
    They found her.

    Minister for Jobs and Innovation Michaelia Cash during the estimates hearing on Wednesday. Photo: Alex EllinghausenA woman who behaves exactly like a man. The sneering, the threats, the bullying, the intimidation, all on show in Senate estimates on Wednesday. This, of course, is all par for the course among male politicians; and you can hear their appalling behaviour in question time.

    But on Wednesday, we heard Cash at her worst. Actually not just her worst.
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    The worst.The failed former minister for women and phony Employment Minister threatened advisers to Opposition Leader Bill Shorten. She told a Senate estimates hearing she would "name every young woman in Mr Shorten's office of which rumours in this place abound".


    "You want me to start naming them? You want me to start naming them for Mr Shorten to come out and deny any of the rumours that are circulating in this building now for many, many years?"
    First, let me say that wherever young women work, rumours swirl. That is the just the way the patriarchy works, babe, idle chitchat, goss.

    "Whoa! She got her job because her legs are up to here!" Never mind that she also has an MBA, a PhD; and experience as long as those legs. (Could everyone note how tall young women are these days? I have height envy.)

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    Are you complaining that we don't like the "trickle down " boys ?
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    Think about it, you'll understand .Maybe,
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Hey Gary, you never comment on your, or Old Mate's partisanship. Why is that?
    Who is that?
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    'Old Mate' has been banned and absent form these discussions for some time, unfortunately.

    And some where this afternoon I heard Dutton speaking and a reference to the Hitler youth………… bit I was just passing through an arcade and did not get the content...

    Ah ha! Dutton being very grubby, but then is anyone surprised?
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    The definition of stupid has got to be the belief that more guns will negate the bloodshed done with guns.

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    Stuff Sovereign risk, let's be a responsible nation and keep the coal as a long term carbon store .
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post

    Yep , weak leader.

    Weak as Turnbull ....maybe.

    Spoiled for choice , aren`t we ?
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    He has a point actually, unpleasant as that may seem in this case. But of course one governments decisions cannot bind a future government decisions and a contract could be repudiated but it may be expensive. But some gangster republics nationalise industries without compensation……..
    feel like a revolution coming on?

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    During a discussion about research, Senator Carr, aged 62, was musing about the impact of the French Revolution when Senator Paterson, aged 30, chimed in to ask him about the Russian Revolution — a barbed comment suggesting a socialist bent.
    Senator Carr then pointed at Senator Paterson as he responded, prompting a terse exchange between the pair.
    CARR: Those in the Hitler Youth [points at Paterson] would understand that only too well.
    PATERSON: That's outrageous Senator Carr, that is seriously offensive. I ask that you withdraw that.
    CARR: I was being facetious don't be silly.
    PATERSON: It's not being facetious. Accusing someone of being a Nazi is a very serious thing, it's appalling.
    CARR: If you took offence, I withdraw it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    He has a point actually, unpleasant as that may seem in this case. But of course one governments decisions cannot bind a future government decisions and a contract could be repudiated but it may be expensive. But some gangster republics nationalise industries without compensation……..
    feel like a revolution coming on?

    Why not ? A revolution would shake up those muppets.
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    The guy is a TOSSER. Turf him ASAP
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    Nah, never get a revolution going in Aus. The climate is not condusive, the populace to comfortable, and politics treated with amusement and distain rather than anger. Years ago a prominent Aussie communist said the only way was to join the Conservative political party and push them further to the extreme right till hopefully the populace would rise up. Of course you'd be the first in the tumbril but you would have achieved your purpose.

    Maybe in the 1930's, but not today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Go right ahead. Some 18 year old with a similar view went to gaol for it today. 14 to 19 years
    Nice try Troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Nah, never get a revolution going in Aus. The climate is not condusive, the populace to comfortable, and politics treated with amusement and distain rather than anger. Years ago a prominent Aussie communist said the only way was to join the Conservative political party and push them further to the extreme right till hopefully the populace would rise up. Of course you'd be the first in the tumbril but you would have achieved your purpose.

    Maybe in the 1930's, but not today.
    Apathy and distain.
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