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    It would need to have the power to refer prosecutions .
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    It would need to have the power to refer prosecutions .


    Yes , it would.

    Has not happened with expensive Royal Commissions in the past ......

    Come next election time , what`s the bet that the majors will announce that they are all aboard .

    And then it stops there for months or years .

    The fact that we don`t have a federal ICAC in 2018 says it all.
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    It's a hard question .....because there isn't a Federal ICAC, or anything with the same powers.
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    I'll believe it when the first lawyer is up before the judge.
    There'l be lots of talk, committees, drafts, abuse under privilege, lies under privilege, and then another election. I do not expect anything effective to come out of it. They are just attempting to salve their reputations as human beings, let alone as politicians.

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    I see you're obsessed with Shorten now ,you really are some kind of political barometer of Liberal anxiety ! Quite amusing .
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    Justified too!

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    It's alright ,your concerns are justified .
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Of course the powers exist.

    The hard part has been to get the unions subject to scrutiny. Ask Bill.

    Then there's GetUp. Seed funded by Bill but not subject to political regulations.

    FOUL
    Yes folks we have a winner for the foil hat award.
    Criticism of GetUp!'s campaigns

    Eric Abetz, a Liberal Party senator, has claimed that GetUp! is a front group for the Labor Party[37], and that it is funded by the billionaire George Soros[38]. Following a referral from Senator Abetz in 2005[39], (and again in 2010)[40] the Australian Electoral Commission examined whether GetUp! operates "wholly, or to a significant extent, for the benefit of one or more registered political parties;" on both occasions it found that GetUp! did "not appear to be controlled by one or more registered political parties, nor ... to operate wholly or to a significant extent to the benefit of one or more registered political parties."[41]
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    It doesn't surprise me that Getup is perceived by the Right as a Left leaning Labor front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    It doesn't surprise me that Getup is perceived by the Right as a Left leaning Labor front.
    Yep, Getup is a civil organisation, inspired by civil and ethical concerns, not corporate interests. Just about the opposite of the Liberal Party.
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    Whereas the LibNats have the IPA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Whereas the LibNats have the IPA.
    About right.
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    The Right are so utterly convinced their religious ideology is true that they can't accept anyone might arrive at the opposite conclusion - independently.

    But as long as they keep tertiary education too expensive for the working class, and talk in platitudes, they'll get their 40% to get them over the line, regardless of the harm they do to those same voters.
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    Such an intractable problem. My heart drops when i read these stories, i just can't believe we can't find a way out of this ongoing shame.
    Is it too simplistic to say poverty is at the root of this ongoing disaster? I'd like to see the correlation between the stagnation of wages, increasing living costs and the rate of out-of-home care. Poverty equals stress in the home, stress in the home equals dysfunction. Too simple?
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    Worth a read.
    https://indigenousx.com.au/chelsea-b.../#.WnEvjRaYOit

    In my defence of anger, there is a little bit more too it of course.
    bell hooks, an African American scholar who has written about feminism, race and love, also tells us about the importance of anger in an interview with George Yancey in the New York times, where she explains:
    “The first time that I got to be with Thich Nhat Hanh, I had just been longing to meet him. I was like, I’m going to meet this incredibly holy man. On the day that I was going to him, every step of the way I felt that I was encountering some kind of racism or sexism. When I got to him, the first thing out of my mouth was, “I am so angry!” And he, of course, Mr. Calm himself, Mr. Peace, said, “Well, you know, hold on to your anger, and use it as compost for your garden.” And I thought, “Yes, yes, I can do that!” …I was telling him about the struggles I was having with my male partner at the time and he said, “It is O.K. to say I want to kill you, but then you need to step back from that, and remember what brought you to this person in the first place.” And I think that if we think of anger as compost, we think of it as energy that can be recycled in the direction of our good. It is an empowering force. If we don’t think about it that way, it becomes a debilitating and destructive force”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Thanks for the article.

    Race is about power, and power is not readily relinquished – we simply cannot outthink or outrun it. We must fight it head on, and for that fight we need to be angry.
    and
    imperialist white supremacist capitalist patriarchy”
    so well said. I feel that one myself.

    Its long been my impression that Aboriginal women show incredible leadership and clarity of vision. They always hit the nail squarely on the head. You rarely hear them talk in circles: practical and direct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Yawn.

    Nothing but a collection of loser attitudes.

    Translation.... I can't (more often, won't, rather than can't) do it... so you owe me a living.
    Why are you here then?
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    Biggy has little empathy for any group that isn't in the fight, red of tooth and claw, for it's own interest. Of course it helps if you have been very careful in choosing your parents and ethnicity.
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    Race is about power.
    Keeping power is all about keeping those with little power down.
    its the law of the jungle, certainly not the law of a civilised person, but it works for the brutal unthinking.
    but they don’t need to think, the ducks are lined up for them, even if they haven’t the wit to see it. Pathetic!
    Those who do see it yet persist are nasty, crude, uncivilised, immoral and cowardly. Selfish is equally not a virtue.

    Clearly some people are dull witted insecure bullies.
    if I was eight years old, i’d say Losers, but i’m not 8, and I shouldn’t pick on those of low intelligence.
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    Mysterious craters blowing out of Russia could mean trouble for the whole planet

    According to conventional estimates, methane warms the planet by 34 times as much as carbon dioxide over 100 years. But such estimates ignore the fact that atmospheric methane decomposes into carbon dioxide, a less potent greenhouse gas, after 10 to 20 years.

    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/03/siberia-batagiaka-crater-climate-change/


    Siberia's Growing 'Doorway to Hell' Offers Clues on Climate Change




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    interesting sub-head…………...

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    I note that ASIO entered ABC offices "early in the morning" to recover the documents thrown out by the Fed PS. Not actually a 'raid' but rather ridiculous in the circumstances. I wonder if they 'raided' the ex-government furniture store?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    Such an intractable problem. My heart drops when i read these stories, i just can't believe we can't find a way out of this ongoing shame.
    Is it too simplistic to say poverty is at the root of this ongoing disaster? I'd like to see the correlation between the stagnation of wages, increasing living costs and the rate of out-of-home care. Poverty equals stress in the home, stress in the home equals dysfunction. Too simple?
    Tragically, the experience of family members who have experience in this sort of area indicates that much of it may be an intractable problem. I've got relos by marriage who do things like spending years living in tents working for NGOs in disadvantaged areas in other countries suffering similar issues, so there is no doubting their genuine desire to help. And yet they can see no solution at all in the short term. In one case, the aid worker is living in an isolated village. A relative is in charge of putting a highway through the area. An indigenous friend who has become enormously successful in his career is running a company that donates huge sums each year.

    The friend's company could easily hand over the cash to build a road to join the aid worker's village to the highway. The problems caused by isolation would vanish - and be replaced by the greater problem of the men then going to work in other areas and bringing back AIDS. In this case there's lots of money, lots of will, lots of technical capacity - and no solution in the short term. There are also significant difficulties caused by people being people - in this case, the teachers didn't finish primary school but they won't agree to a more qualified person coming in because that would mean the best paying job around would go to someone from out of the village. Therefore the children do not get a decent education.

    Personally, from spending a little bit of time in outback indigenous settlements and towns and working with indigenous organisations, I just can't see a solution unless both "sides" change their positions. The current setup clearly is not working, and it's not just about poverty; witness Katherine's posts about the despair in the communities she works in despite the money brought in by mining royalties.
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    Here's a bit of light reading for you.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-3...isions/9168442
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    And Morrison would be one of the first to say that they need to build the confidence of the Australian public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Should have gone to the country he worked with to see if they shelter cowards.
    What are you on about?
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    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-3...e-rise/9375284

    House prices are more than just a barrier to the housing market - they kill businesses and innovation by amplifying risk.

    Australia is leading the way in bankruptcies, fueled by the enormous personal debt caused by high mortgages.

    I said it before, how do mum and dad start their own business when they have so much of their capital tied up in just having a roof over their heads? Short term there's no solution, drag house prices down too quickly and you have negative equity which is a disaster for home owners, but long term we have to find a way if we want to develop our country and so our kids don't end up in the record breaking bankruptcy basket.
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    https://www.theguardian.com/business...ent-feeling-it


    Right - so inflation is low and wages are stagnant. So 'on the street' there is no growth at all.
    But big business is making record profits, and the rich are getting richer.

    How is this not trickle up?


    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...operty-profits
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    What are you on about?
    He's just a shouty man. He's not 'on' about anything, he doesn't think. He just blurts out ideology. Why even ask?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gypsie View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/business...ent-feeling-it


    Right - so inflation is low and wages are stagnant. So 'on the street' there is no growth at all.
    But big business is making record profits, and the rich are getting richer.

    How is this not trickle up?


    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...operty-profits
    It`s not a trickle ( up ) , because it has become a flood.

    Look at the banks : Every man and his dog was given home loans for decades further and further inflating the mortgage bubble.
    Now it has reached the point where the banks are sucking the life out of our economy with million dollar mortgages for what actually is , by world standards , poorly designed and constructed housing.
    Wholesale leaching of money.
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    Bring on the revolution!
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