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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Oh no - someone criticised your team, eh?

    Gotta rush blindly to their defence? Your capacity for critical analysis was displayed for all to see with your recent "Time" thread. Like I said - blind.

    The fact remains - it was the LibNats who delivered on SSM.

    The result is in the book.

    Your team failed to deliver it.

    Labor - Nay

    Greens - Nay

    LibNats - as Gary says, the ayes have it.
    Bullsh!t, Turnbull didn't have the guts to just do it. Labor had it's fair share of homophobes but Turnbull had the chance to do something that 60% of Australians were in favour of and he failed. Those wankers in Canberra just rubber stamped what the people knew was right. NONE of the political parties can claim any moral high ground on this and to try and claim any kudos just shows the levels they will sink to.
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    Correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Bullsh!t, Turnbull didn't have the guts to just do it. Labor had it's fair share of homophobes but Turnbull had the chance to do something that 60% of Australians were in favour of and he failed. Those wankers in Canberra just rubber stamped what the people knew was right. NONE of the political parties can claim any moral high ground on this and to try and claim any kudos just shows the levels they will sink to.
    Excuse me, but you sound like a very sore loser.

    Your side of politics had six years to do it... and they did NOTHING.

    Turnbull's government knew the power of the naysayers and, as I correctly pointed out around this time of the year, way back in 2015, that it would take some effort to achieve the result. I doubt, based on the rant above, that you have the brainpower to recall it... but I do. In fact, I recall the discussions I had in and around Parliament House on it very well. Very well indeed... and what I wrote on this thread about it has come true.

    I've been right on it the whole way through... but you've had nothing but bile, like you have on display here... It's blokes like you who make it so hard to achieve positive changes, like this one, in Australian politics. You should be ashamed of yourself.

    Labor and the Greens - the parties of hate
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    You want to support these leeches go right ahead. The ATO says these companies are not paying tax, companies like MYOB..zero taxable income for some reason. Also a not so surprising number of companies with the word coal in their name...zero tax.
    Oh and your old mate Rupert, zero tax paid. This all benefits the country how? See if you can answer that without making some welfare slur.
    It took all of 30 seconds to find out that your post is nothing but hot air and bile. Maybe you should enroll in some sort of education program? Primary school, perhaps?

    Here's some of the taxes paid by News Corp's related entities. I won't bother looking at issues like GST paid, payroll taxes, property taxes and the like. This is enough to demonstrate just how wrong you are (again). The politics of hate doesn't suit you.... you keep proving yourself wrong. Try love and do something for world peace.


    Entities related to News Corporation did pay tax:

    Foxtel Holdings paid $20 million on a taxable income of $66.7 million, a tax rate of 30 per cent.
    REA Group paid $88 million on a taxable income of $328 million, a tax rate of 27 per cent.
    News Pay TV Financing paid $8 million on a taxable income of $27.6 million
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Correct.
    Incorrect.... but it's not like you to notice things like that.

    You do it all the TIME.
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    Re #19183.
    Some changes can only be brought in by the party nearest to those who would say no. A similar labour proposal would have been lost on partisan lines. And certainly this would not have gotten up in parliament without the unexpected non-compulsory survey turnout and the 60/40 majority in it. But Malcolm managed the internal wrangles and deserves the kudos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    It took all of 30 seconds to find out that your post is nothing but hot air and bile. Maybe you should enroll in some sort of education program? Primary school, perhaps?

    Here's some of the taxes paid by News Corp's related entities. I won't bother looking at issues like GST paid, payroll taxes, property taxes and the like. This is enough to demonstrate just how wrong you are (again). The politics of hate doesn't suit you.... you keep proving yourself wrong. Try love and do something for world peace.


    Entities related to News Corporation did pay tax:

    Foxtel Holdings paid $20 million on a taxable income of $66.7 million, a tax rate of 30 per cent.
    REA Group paid $88 million on a taxable income of $328 million, a tax rate of 27 per cent.
    News Pay TV Financing paid $8 million on a taxable income of $27.6 million
    NEWS AUSTRALIA HOLDINGS PTY LIMITED 32105197028 2,940,636,294 0 0.000 0 0.00 The bold 0s are how much tax was paid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    It took all of 30 seconds to find out that your post is nothing but hot air and bile. Maybe you should enroll in some sort of education program? Primary school, perhaps?

    Here's some of the taxes paid by News Corp's related entities. I won't bother looking at issues like GST paid, payroll taxes, property taxes and the like. This is enough to demonstrate just how wrong you are (again). The politics of hate doesn't suit you.... you keep proving yourself wrong. Try love and do something for world peace.


    Entities related to News Corporation did pay tax:

    Foxtel Holdings paid $20 million on a taxable income of $66.7 million, a tax rate of 30 per cent.
    REA Group paid $88 million on a taxable income of $328 million, a tax rate of 27 per cent.
    News Pay TV Financing paid $8 million on a taxable income of $27.6 million
    Nice bit of cherry picking and I noticed you chose the chicken feed.
    Just in case you weren't sure who really owned News Australia.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corp_Australia
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    But it shows a range of household names paid no or little tax in 2015-16:

    • Adani: $0 tax paid on $724m revenue.
    • Chevron: $0 tax paid on $2.1bn revenue.
    • ExxonMobil Australia: $0 tax paid on $6.7bn revenue.
    • Origin Energy: $0 tax paid on $11.9bn revenue.
    • IBM: $0 tax paid on $3.6bn of revenue.
    • Ansell: $0 tax paid on $326m of revenue.
    • Glencore: $44m in tax paid on $24bn of revenue.
    • Ikea: $11m tax paid on $1bn of revenue (its first tax paid in the last three years).

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...ls-paid-no-tax
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Re #19183.
    Some changes can only be brought in by the party nearest to those who would say no. A similar labour proposal would have been lost on partisan lines. And certainly this would not have gotten up in parliament without the unexpected non-compulsory survey turnout and the 60/40 majority in it. But Malcolm managed the internal wrangles and deserves the kudos.
    And it's nice to see that some of the lefties, well, OK, at least one of the lefties on this thread has some integrity.

    Well said, sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Nice bit of cherry picking and I noticed you chose the chicken feed.
    Just in case you weren't sure who really owned News Australia.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corp_Australia
    News Australia? Who are they?

    Presumably you mean News Corp Australia?

    Your link provides zero detail on the ultimate ownership structure. IIRC, the Murdoch family have something like 39% of it. I suspect that a fair element of your superannuation assets are comprised of shares in News Corp too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    But it shows a range of household names paid no or little tax in 2015-16:

    • Adani: $0 tax paid on $724m revenue.
    • Chevron: $0 tax paid on $2.1bn revenue.
    • ExxonMobil Australia: $0 tax paid on $6.7bn revenue.
    • Origin Energy: $0 tax paid on $11.9bn revenue.
    • IBM: $0 tax paid on $3.6bn of revenue.
    • Ansell: $0 tax paid on $326m of revenue.
    • Glencore: $44m in tax paid on $24bn of revenue.
    • Ikea: $11m tax paid on $1bn of revenue (its first tax paid in the last three years).

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...ls-paid-no-tax
    Define tax.

    Are you saying that those companies pay zero payroll tax, zero property tax, zero GST?

    I note that many on your list are heavily into capital intensive projects at present. Do you understand the concept of tax deductions for legitimate business expenses and investment, or is that too hard for you?
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    We understand they contribute very little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    We understand they contribute very little.
    By the standards of the party that would tear down everything modern society is - and then issue hair shirts to all. The Greens remind me of Pol Pot - tear it all down and start again.

    Back to your lack of knowledge though. You never did define "tax". You never did explain your understanding of deductions for business and legitimate capital investment expenses. Don't know it eh? Doesn't matter... just bluster on. Tear it down.
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    I expect he'll be some time. Back around the time he was born, well, in 1936 anyhow, there were 88 pages of Australian tax legislation.

    The LibNats got rid of 4,100 pages of inoperative tax regulations in 2006. That left about 5,743 pages of tax legislation (OK, I say about, because that figure is from 2008).

    If it wasn't for nongs like the Greens and other uneducated cross-benchers, we'd be able to simplify our tax system.

    Speaking of nongs... some who I shan't name seem to have missed the recent (LibNat) changes to the legislation that means major international corporations will now be paying significantly more tax.

    Of course, the biggest chunk of tax revenue comes from wage and salary earners - about 45% of the tax take, with 20% from corporations, 15% from the GST... and then bits and bobs.

    Of course, a third of the tax take gets spent on welfare... but only about a quarter of that goes to age pensioners. There's a lot of bludgers with their hands out. Oh, let's not forget that about 1.2 to 1.5 million bludgers fail to lodge a tax return every year.

    Of course, they don't make a nice juicy target - like the corporations who generate the jobs that pay the GST and enable the salary earners to pay tax - so, the bludgers just like to throw barbs

    Off you toddle....
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    The Greens Policies, I doubt you've ever looked at them. https://greens.org.au/policy
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    The Greens Policies, I doubt you've ever looked at them. https://greens.org.au/policy
    Of course you doubt. Par for the course with you - it's always the negative. You seem to forget, I've enjoyed mocking the stupidity of many of the Greens policies over the years. Do you think I do it like you, without research or understanding?

    Speaking of mocking - here's the closest they get to having a tax policy.... a bunch of motherhood statements:

    The Australian Greens believe that:

    1. A prosperous and sustainable economy relies upon a healthy natural environment. Economies exist within, and are dependent upon, natural systems. Environmental stewardship is, therefore, central to sound economic management.
    2. In order to provide for the needs of present and future generations, economic management should prioritise improving the quality of life rather than the production and consumption of material output. The pursuit of continuous material-based economic growth is incompatible with the planetís finite resources.
    3. Human induced climate change poses the greatest threat to our world, requiring Australia and all nations to transform to a low carbon economy. The cost of addressing climate change now is far less than the cost of failing to do so.
    4. Measures of national progress should include indicators of ecological sustainability and social wellbeing.
    5. Ending poverty and reducing inequalities in income and wealth are essential to social wellbeing and democracy. Achieving economic and social justice depends upon democratic participation in economic decision-making.
    6. Governments have an essential role in regulating markets and ensuring that any externalities are reflected in market prices of goods and services. In a mixed economy, markets that function well and are well informed, fair, efficient and competitive, have an important role in the allocation of resources
    7. Organised labour is fundamental to the achievement of a democratic and equitable economy.
    8. Deliberate and coordinated government intervention and, where appropriate, government assistance is necessary to encourage a diverse and resilient Australian economy and create more green employment opportunities in a dynamic economy.
    9. Future prosperity for Australia requires a diverse, innovative and productive economy with an educated and skilled workforce. Public investment in science, research and education is essential to realise this goal.
    10. While government finances must be sustainable over the long-term, it is appropriate to stimulate the economy during economic downturns and save during economic booms. Government financing should be managed to increase public equity.
    11. Government policies that guide investment should prioritise the long-term public interest not the short-term desire of companies to maximise profits.
    12. Natural monopolies and essential public services should generally be in public ownership. Whether in public or private ownership, natural monopolies and essential public services should be subject to a regime of transparency, accountability and stewardship that ensures maximum benefit to the public. Not-for-profit involvement with the provision of essential services and infrastructure should also be subject to a long-term community benefit test.
    13. Government financing is the preferred mechanism for funding public infrastructure.
    14. A secure and expanded revenue base is required so that governments can fund a high standard of infrastructure and human services including education, health, transport, environmental protection and social security. Much of the additional revenue required should be raised by taxing polluting industries, resource extraction and economic rent.
    15. The taxation and transfer system as a whole should be progressive, not regressive.
    16. Growing inequality of wealth is of concern and should be addressed though the tax system.
    17. Meaningfully reducing inequality requires the taxation of extreme dynastic wealth handed from one generation to another with appropriate exemptions.
    18. Tax revenue from the extraction of finite resources should be invested for the future or focused on providing public infrastructure.
    19. The tax regime can be a powerful tool to transform the economy using appropriate incentives and penalties that reward socially and ecologically responsible effort.
    20. Social services such as health, education and social care, should be available through universal access to high quality public and community services.
    21. Public assistance is generally best provided through universal service provision or targeted payments, rather than through tax concessions which often fail to assist low-income earners.
    22. Unemployment benefits, pensions and other government allowances should enable all Australians to live with dignity, provide an adequate income and be structured to avoid poverty traps.
    23. Organisations which focus on creating community and public benefits, such as those with co-operative and collaborative structures, should be supported.
    24. Strong support for local and regional economies is important as they contribute to a sustainable national economy by providing diversity and resilience.
    25. There must be recognition that Australiaís economy has been built upon the ongoing dispossession of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoplesí lands.

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    So which bits remind you of Pol Pot? ''The Greens remind me of Pol Pot - tear it all down and start again.'' BF
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    So which bits remind you of Pol Pot? ''The Greens remind me of Pol Pot - tear it all down and start again.'' BF
    You expect me to answer a question?

    Take a flying leap.... those wings of yours will save you. You've never answered a question directed your way in your life.

    Come up with a definition of "tax" yet? Answered the one about deductions, GST and property taxes?

    Dream on, Sunshine, dream on.
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    So it was just a general slur with no substance . SOP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    So it was just a general slur with no substance . SOP.


    What? Greens policies? Yep... that's them. No substance. Ever. Just motherhood statements. If we look hard enough, I'm sure we'll find apple pie somewhere in there.
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    Let's try this tear down Greens policy:

    Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples have a right to self-determination
    Self determination, eh?

    What's that mean?

    They don't have to comply with the laws of Australia? Make their own laws?

    What a dopey pack of idiots the Greens are.
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    The Greens are, and are likely to remain a ginger group. They actually don't have to be too specific and too practical for that matter as they are not likely to do a Macron and suddenly become the government. Their use in our preferential system is the same as the Democrats and the Australia Party before them. To give a voice to frustration in the first preference vote whilst one of the majors effectively gets the seat.
    But of course to much Machiavellian twists by two majors and you get an independent or another minor but it's always in the power of the two major parties to neutralise them in either house if they wish.

    And let me remind you that political moderates never achieved change, it's the ginger groups that push the envelope and move public opinion.

    Meantime your use of pejoratives seems more and more frantic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    The Greens are, and are likely to remain a ginger group. They actually don't have to be too specific and too practical for that matter as they are not likely to do a Macron and suddenly become the government. Their use in our preferential system is the same as the Democrats and the Australia Party before them. To give a voice to frustration in the first preference vote whilst one of the majors effectively gets the seat.
    But of course to much Machiavellian twists by two majors and you get an independent or another minor but it's always in the power of the two major parties to neutralise them in either house if they wish.

    And let me remind you that political moderates never achieved change, it's the ginger groups that push the envelope and move public opinion.

    Meantime your use of pejoratives seems more and more frantic.
    No, no, no.

    You forget the very basis this thread was founded on. I quote from the original post of this thread.....

    Is it too much to ask that all these bludgeing parasites get out of our taxpaying pockets?
    .... as I've said many times before.... I don't start the slanging, but if someone wants to, I'll step up to the mark. I've never been one to tolerate a bully.

    Funny thing was.... it turned out the OP wasn't taxpaying.
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    And does that mean he doesn't have a say, or a vote, or an opinion that is just as valid as yours or Bill's , or Paulines, or Peters?


    The greens successes are going to be in inner city electorates populated by reasonably wealthy voters whose natural home might have been the Liberals. And I men the 'liberal party' not the right wing at present calling the shots. They are just as disenfranchised by the Liberal party as are the relict left of the ALP.
    Re tax, the tax avoidance industry is alive and well and unprincipled practitioners of the law and in business should always be the subject of extreme scrutiny as the Tax Departments figures demonstrate,

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    And does that mean he doesn't have a say, or a vote, or an opinion that is just as valid as yours or Bill's , or Paulines, or Peters?


    The greens successes are going to be in inner city electorates populated by reasonably wealthy voters whose natural home might have been the Liberals. And I men the 'liberal party' not the right wing at present calling the shots. They are just as disenfranchised by the Liberal party as are the relict left of the ALP.
    Re tax, the tax avoidance industry is alive and well and unprincipled practitioners of the law and in business should always be the subject of extreme scrutiny as the Tax Departments figures demonstrate,
    Now there's a thought. Thanks.

    So - should welfare bludgers be entitled to vote? Prisoners aren't. Those on Councils or in Parliament recuse themselves from voting on issues in which they have a pecuniary interest. Those on the public payroll can't stand for Parliament - as one has just found out, when she was unable to take up a Senate seat.

    So, why don't the bludgers recuse themselves? They certainly have a conflict of interest.
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    Now there's a thought. Thanks.

    So - should welfare bludgers be entitled to vote? Prisoners aren't. Those on Councils or in Parliament recuse themselves from voting on issues Uhin which they have a pecuniary interest. Those on the public payroll can't stand for Parliament - as one has just found out, when she was unable to take up a Senate seat.

    So, why don't the bludgers recuse themselves? They certainly have a conflict of interest.
    Getting a bit desperate there sunshine. Who is the bully? I've noticed that those that bray about being bullied are usually the biggest bullies.
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    Those in a position of power recusing themselves is a completely different matter from the unemployed, or ill, or pensioners.
    And in my view why should teachers etc have to give up their careers for the chance of being elected? Unequal opportunity is writ large there. And a teacher once elected is unlikely to continue the daily turnout at school even if they could. A lawyer with a private practice can OTOH continue to operate with a locum if necessary.

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    It's going to be hard to keep Stevebaby's thread afloat over the silly season, though it can hardly be sillier than the last 6 months.

    Reshuffle anyone? Brandis to London?

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    Abbott as Ambassador to the Vatican?
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    The Saturday paper is worth buying this issue.
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/...15127380005608

    and not by any means to excuse Dastyari…… but the factional links and leaks are interesting
    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/...15127380005616

    and from the Aus, if you can get past the paywall
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts...4cf4ff83d1ab7b
    Something Peter and I have been talking about for at least 5 years.
    The Quarterly Essay is worth buying as well.
    "We are now at a crucial turning point where this aspiration has become a key part of the Communist Party’s bid for enduring domestic legitimacy. Xi Jinping’s “China Dream” is not simply greater prosperity and justice for the hundreds of millions of still impoverished Chinese but making the country — as he put it in his address to the recent 19th Party Congress in Beijing — the greatest power in the world. Note that expression: not in East Asia only, or even in Asia, but in the world.This is a radical shift in world affairs and it is happening before our eyes.
    The US cannot and will not stay the course as this happens, White argues, so we will not have the option of choosing between the US and China, because the US “will not be there”. We must come to terms with a Chinese dominated order and will have to pay heavy costs in doing so. “Let’s get on with it,” he concludes.
    There is a great deal to consider in this. White and Keating make sweeping claims, fail to spell out plausible strategic scenarios and glibly talk of accepting Chinese dominance. All this calls for serious debate. Let’s get on with it."


    Without America: Australia in the New Asia
    By Hugh White
    Quarterly Essay 68 Black Inc, 112pp, $22.99
    The Big Picture: Towards an Independent Foreign Policy Australian Foreign Affairs Issue 1
    Edited by Jonathan Pearlman
    Black Inc, 143pp, $22.99

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    China gets Xi Jinping and the USA chooses Trump. Lucky us .
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    Classic Bob Hawke, from the new book: Nobody on Bill Shortenís frontbench would be worthy of a seat in a Hawke cabinet.
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    Malcolm Turnbull and top cabinet ministers have been slapped with a stinging rebuke from a former senior colleague over their plan to target “covert” agents who work for foreign powers, amid a political storm over Chinese influence in national affairs.

    Former trade minister Andrew Robb, who masterminded John Howard’s 1996 election victory, warned the Prime Minister and other members of the national *security committee of federal cabinet against fuelling a “smear” against his name that suggests “treasonous” activity because he advises a Chinese company.
    The letter to the nation’s security ministers, obtained by The Australian, challenges the government’s claims and appears certain to escalate concerns about new criminal penalties on those who fail to sign up to a register of people working for foreign *entities.
    It also comes as the government last night moved to refer Labor senator Sam Dastyari to the privileges committee to investigate whether he has used his time in parliament to act as an agent for the Chinese government in return for taking money.
    Attorney-General George Brandis was granted permission from the Senate President to refer Senator Dastyari to the committee, which has the power to apply jail terms of up to six months.
    The foreign-*interference laws have sparked a strong reaction from Beijing. Mr Howard played down political concerns over the law changes and insisted they would not weaken public support for the Coalition at the December 16 by-election in Bennelong, which has a large Chinese community.
    Mr Robb rejects the government’s suggestion that his work for Chinese company Landbridge will require him to sign up to the new security register and insists he has not done any work for the company in Australia.
    “The unqualified emphasis and prominence given by government ministers to my supposed situation, alongside Senator Dastyari, has supported the clear implication and smear asserted by an earlier Four Corners program that I am engaged in some form of treasonous activity,” Mr Robb writes in the letter.
    “No more damaging implication could be levelled against a present or former political figure.”
    The extraordinary letter challenges the government’s claims on the day Mr Turnbull introduced the foreign-interference reforms into parliament, to set up a register of those working for foreign entities and to criminalise “covert” activities.
    Mr Robb’s warnings over the attacks on his reputation carry influence across the Coalition and its supporters given his long service as Liberal Party federal director and trade minister, during which he led free-trade agreements with China, Japan and South Korea. The letter is dated December 6 and addressed to members of the national security committee of cabinet, which includes Mr Turnbull, Foreign Minister Julie Bishop, Treasurer Scott Morrison, Attorney-General *George Brandis, Immigration Minister Peter Dutton and Defence Minister Marise Payne.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...6a22dcce6307a6
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    Oh dear. If you are going to C&P, would you please treat your audience with a modicum of respect... and reformat the bloody stuff please.
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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