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    So who is paying for the new accomodation and how are they supposed to survive financially?
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    I read the other day that a group of new security contractors from Aus. there to protect the new facilities were denied entry to PNG.
    Don't know if it was just a paperwork error or something more.

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    Australian immigration and asylum

    Refugees on Manus Island offered chance to move to Nauru

    Australian government accused of ‘political trick’ as hundreds of refugees refuse to leave Manus Island centre

    Refugees in the process of applying to be resettled in the US have been asked to volunteer to move to the offshore detention island of Nauru.


    Wednesday 11 October 2017 07.16 AEDTLast modified on Wednesday 11 October 201710.15 AEDT

    Refugees held by Australia on Manus Island have been offered the chance to move to Australia’s other offshore detention island of Nauru.
    The detention centre on Manus has become increasingly tense, chaotic and unstable in recent weeks, as the Papua New Guinea and Australian governments scramble to close it down by the self-imposed deadline of 31 October.
    Hundreds of refugees are refusing to leave the centre – ruled illegal by PNG’s highest court more than a year ago – saying they are not safe in Manus’s main town of Lorengau, where the governments are trying to move them.


    A poster posted in the Manus island centre offering Manus refugees the chance to move to Nauru.
    Two refugees have killed themselves on Manus in the past two months and there have been a significant number of violent incidents between Manusians and refugees in Lorengau.
    The Australian government has spent hundreds of millions of dollars building new housing in and around Lorengau and removed and diminished medical, food and other services in the detention centre, even banning cigarettes, in an attempt to get people to leave. But few refugees have been willing to move.

    On Tuesday night, authorities in the Manus detention centre posted a notice inviting refugees who were in the process of applying to be resettled in the US to volunteer to move to Nauru. Refugees who want to move must apply by 23 October.
    “The government of Nauru will then decide which refugees can transfer,” it said. “Refugees transferring to Nauru will have access to the same services and resettlement arrangements as other refugees in Nauru.
    “Transfers will not affect eligibility or progress of US resettlement applications.”
    The Iranian refugee and journalist Behrouz Boochani said there was widespread mistrust of the government’s offer.




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    Rupert will be proud of you.
    But I do notice the Aus. having a go at the Govt over it's failed employment services programme.

    But I'm sure you have 'superior' information on the subject that you cannot disclose.

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    Otherwise an interesting interview on RN this morning with the new Indian owner of the Whyalla smelter re renewable energies, solar, pumped hydro and wind, and an intention to expand and supply power to the grid.


    And evidently there's a separate proposal to build a pipeline from the WA gas fields to link into the National pipeline system in SA.
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    Reading the Age and Sydney Morning Herald today I noted the article about the recently released JFK files revealed the CIA considered assassinating Indonesian President Sukarno.
    http://www.smh.com.au/world/cia-cons...30-gzb4pf.html

    This got me thinking about the files Trump, at the last minute was advised not to release. I wonder if, among those not released, are files pertaining to the Whitlam Dismissal.
    Sit back with a glass of red for a little reminder....where there's smoke there's usually fire.

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    ​"Life is under no obligation to give us what we expect." Irrfan Khan. RIP

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    And another one (may) bite the dust.
    President of the Senate Steven Parry.
    I reckon he thinks he's gone.
    Eric reckons there's more……………...

    And if you saw 7.30 on a ex military surgeon blowing the whistle on B.F.'s vetoing of his medical opinions and requests for treatment on the Naru inmates, you like me may find there is no one to vote for any longer except the Greens in federal politics.
    I do hope that some time in the future these chickens will come home to roost in the form of criminal charges, and I don't just mean the politicians.
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    His dad came here at 8 evidently. I wonder how many of those that wrote the constitution and were in the first parliaments were actually not entitled to be there?

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    Watching a programme on Facebook. We are stuffed, we have stuffed ourselves and continue to do so. Now there are moves to tighten the regulations and controls but I reckon we can forget such minor matters as national sovereignty just as we have forgotten about privacy.

    And I am aware that participation here through Google is likely almost as bad.
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    Seems like everyone wants a referendum re Section 44. Not so keen on the Aboriginal representation request.
    How about a question on the PM's war declaration powers as well?

    I don't think it would get up myself, politicians and politics being held in such low regard. Largely as a consequence of their own actions of course.

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    Agree, the PM's war declaration powers are a worry
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    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.




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    "All The Way With …………………………."*

    *(Fill in curent US president's name here)

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Seems like everyone wants a referendum re Section 44. Not so keen on the Aboriginal representation request.
    How about a question on the PM's war declaration powers as well?

    I don't think it would get up myself, politicians and politics being held in such low regard. Largely as a consequence of their own actions of course.
    All the way with any current POTUS !!
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    Senate President Stephen Parry resigns after confirmation of UK citizenship

    In another blow to the Turnbull Government, Liberal senator Stephen Parry confirms he is a British citizen and will now stand down as Senate President and resign from the Parliament.


    http://www.abc.net.au/news/?WT.srch=...waAhNLEALw_wcB
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    The LibNat chaos continues !
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    I can't help feeling a bit sorry for them Peter.
    I wonder if an audit of parliament members will get up? After all you'd think it would be in all their interests.

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    I guess some parents told their kids they were citizens of another country .... by virtue of their father's nationality but it seems not to have crossed a lot of minds. It's a major failure of the various party organisations.
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    I wonder how different it was when the Constitution was written? Either way the parties have been remarkably slack in their understanding of and compliance with the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Half the people in this country have at least one parent born overseas. It would seem that the interpretation of the Constitution should have allowed for the way things have changed since it was written near on 120 years ago.

    When Barnaby's father came here, he wasn't a New Zealand citizen (if I understand things correctly). Parry's father was 8 when he came here. Parry was born here and as I understand it, did nothing to enact citizenship elsewhere.
    ........and would not that legal precedent open up a minefield to future constitutional law cases brought before the High Court?
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    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.




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    We were talking about Australian law not NZ law, I fail to see the relevance of NZ constitutional law to our constitutional law ! More distraction from BF.

    Our political parties remain slack when it comes to the basic questions.
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    It’s only become a problem since it affected the LibNats. Perfectly good rule when it only affected the Greens.
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    Strangely enough things have changed since 1920.... but apparently the Nats didn't notice .
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    You might find it affects half the parliament under a hard-line interpretation
    Please read my post again.
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    Don't politicians ever read the constitution ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Please read my post again
    I agree with what you said but that is not what I was talking about.
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    If inattentive to important details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    It’s only become a problem since it affected the LibNats. Perfectly good rule when it only affected the Greens.
    Yep, Barnaby's glee at Water's oversight looked a bit stupid after a few days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    You might find it affects half the parliament under a hard-line interpretation
    Eric reckons so. I reckon there are teams of researchers from both majors poring through the paperwork as we speak, and not a few non-party groups doing the same to both of them.

    Do you reckon a referendum on section 44 would pass? I do not. And after the off-hand dismissal of the Aboriginal request, and the general reputation of politicians even more so. But I reckon the campaign has begun appealing to those with parents born overseas who may not be eligible to be an Australian federal politician without repudiating their parent's heritage. Probably a fair enough concern in todays Australia.
    But I still reckon it wouldn't pass.
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    Is she, or can she be a Slovenian citizen by their laws, that is the relevant question?

    A good friend, an ex-American teacher, owns property in the US but she is not now an American citizen.
    Her Australian born children would I think not be eligible doubly because of hers and their father's original birth place without double renouncements.

    I have an investment in Scotland and would I think have inherited a Brit. entitlement from my mother.

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    Glenlivett



    Years ago I'd left some cash in the RBS, and rather than bring it home I bought some stock.
    Actually its Pernod Ricard via Grants these days.
    10% last year.

    Should have just bought the whisky.

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    None of the majors seem interested in a full citizenship audit of pollies. That isn't doing anything for the population's confidence in our representatives.
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    I think the old term for such behaviour was anally retentive.


    Never thought about going to the AGM……. France and Scotland…………Hmmm.

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    I reckon they all know the names of those who would walk and everyone has them.
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    I reckon it's pretty black letter law in this case. No interpretation.
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