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    A violent exchange that saw drunken Papua New Guinean naval personnel fire up to 100 rounds of ammunition at *asylum-seekers and staff on Manus Island began after detainees trespassed on to navy land and threw rocks at staff who asked them to leave, a witness says.

    The witness, an Australian staff member on the island who declined to be named, said it was “only a matter of time” before an incident such as Friday’s occurred, amid rising tensions between PNG locals, defence personnel and asylum-seeker inmates at Australia’s processing centre.
    Last month, a 28-year-old Pakistani refugee was charged over the alleged sexual assault of a 10-year-old girl in Lorengau, and in January another asylum-seeker was arrested and charged over the alleged assault of a 19-year-old student.
    The witness said tensions were inflamed last week when three refugees from the Pakistani and Afghani communities allegedly led the five-year-old son of a navy member into the centre “for purposes unknown”.
    The child was reportedly found and returned unharmed to outraged parents.
    PNG police yesterday confirmed in a statement that “a group of drunken soldiers” had “rampaged” through the detention centre, “firing several shots into the air and indiscriminately assaulting policemen, PNG immigration officers, other service providers and asylum-seekers”.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...52e0e224d0f527

    Obviously reason to open fire .... in someone's opinion.
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    Had to laugh this morning, a comment re the citizen test changes re language proficiency, "Good grammar does not necessarily make a good citizen".

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    Some Lib Party attempts to cool the Abbott v Turnbull war. Seeking the services of a peacemaker with a big club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Had to laugh this morning, a comment re the citizen test changes re language proficiency, "Good grammar does not necessarily make a good citizen".
    Good grammar does not necessarily make a competent politician.

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    Malcolm Turnbull told Coalition not doing enough to avert gas crisis
    “Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in.”

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    Has Abbott decided to help Labor win ? He's certainly their best friend right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    A violent exchange that saw drunken Papua New Guinean naval personnel fire up to 100 rounds of ammunition at *asylum-seekers and staff on Manus Island began after detainees trespassed on to navy land and threw rocks at staff who asked them to leave, a witness says.

    The witness, an Australian staff member on the island who declined to be named, said it was “only a matter of time” before an incident such as Friday’s occurred, amid rising tensions between PNG locals, defence personnel and asylum-seeker inmates at Australia’s processing centre.
    Last month, a 28-year-old Pakistani refugee was charged over the alleged sexual assault of a 10-year-old girl in Lorengau, and in January another asylum-seeker was arrested and charged over the alleged assault of a 19-year-old student.
    The witness said tensions were inflamed last week when three refugees from the Pakistani and Afghani communities allegedly led the five-year-old son of a navy member into the centre “for purposes unknown”.
    The child was reportedly found and returned unharmed to outraged parents.
    PNG police yesterday confirmed in a statement that “a group of drunken soldiers” had “rampaged” through the detention centre, “firing several shots into the air and indiscriminately assaulting policemen, PNG immigration officers, other service providers and asylum-seekers”.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...52e0e224d0f527

    Obviously reason to open fire .... in someone's opinion.
    The PNG police chief denied this version today, saying the child was hungry, was taken in a fed by refugees and Navy staff then escorted off the camp.

    No explanation given for the shooting .
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Gee, fancy that... the ABC didn't run the story about the local 5 year old kid being taken into the Manus Island centre by inmates "for purposes unknown"... and sparking the recent disruption where locals let off a few bullets.
    Hmmm....................

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    Exactly.
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    Nonetheless, this story still has legs, and we cannot believe anything that comes out of Manus, the PNG authorities or the Federal government at face value. The actual truth may not ever be known.

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    The story from the Oz would have covered the PNG military but they shot it down. All very strange really . Dutton is left holding the left overs .

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-2...-crime/8460948



    PNG police dispute Peter Dutton's account of Manus detention centre attack

    By Eric Tlozek, Stephanie Borys, Uma Patel and Sarah Whyte
    Updated about 6 hours ago
    PHOTO: PNG Defence Force personnel fired bullets into Manus accommodation buildings. (Digital Globe)
    RELATED STORY: Concern for 5yo may have led to Manus shooting, Dutton says
    RELATED STORY: Manus Detention shooting signals rising tensions
    RELATED STORY: PNG authorities investigate allegations soldiers shot at Manus Island detainees
    MAP: Papua New Guinea

    Papua New Guinea police have rejected claims by Australia's Immigration Minister Peter Dutton that concerns for a small boy led PNG soldiers to attack the detention centre on Manus Island.
    Mr Dutton said the incident — in which PNG soldiers fired shots into the centre — was triggered over concerns for the safety of a small child brought into the centre.
    Mr Dutton suggested Manus residents feared the boy had been sexually assaulted.
    But Manus province police commander David Yapu said Mr Dutton was referring to an unrelated incident in which there was no allegation of sexual assault, and no concerns for the boy's safety.
    "If there was a sexual assault, a formal complaint would be made by the parents for the police to pursue investigations," Mr Yapu said.
    Danger not over on Manus Island

    The attack by alleged PNG Defence Force members on the Manus Island detention centre follows increasing friction between asylum seekers and locals, and many fear worse violence is yet to come.

    A 10-year-old boy was brought into the centre, the senior inspector said, to be given food some days before the attack by the soldiers.
    "He was given some fruits by the residents in the centre and then he was taken out again," he said.
    "So there was nothing done to him and also there was no official complaint by the parents of that small boy."
    Asylum seekers in the centre said the boy was begging for food at the centre entrance and that staff were aware that he was brought inside to be fed.
    They urged the Australian Government to release CCTV footage from the many cameras at the centre, saying it would show their account was correct.
    Mr Dutton's office declined to comment.
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    Saw a small story on Social Media paid advertising. Unannounced, deceptive, and likely untaxable.

    I am always astonished at how devious, dishonest,and stupid people can be.

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    "Papua New Guinea police have rejected claims by Australia's Immigration Minister Peter Dutton that concerns for a small boy led PNG soldiers to attack the detention centre on Manus Island.

    Mr Dutton's office declined to comment."

    The man is a disgrace, but to a large extent the situation,
    deplorable as it is, is a bi-partisan affair.

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    The whole thing is a disgrace, Australia's shame. Both the majors playing to the worst of Australian sentiment.
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    Dutton's having his own 'children overboard' moment.

    Meanwhile, the Liberal Party is showing its slip with moves to replace Kelly O'Dwyer in Higgins with Peta Credlin over changes to rich peoples' super.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...22-gvqajr.html

    It's a shame that the Libgnats are so awful, since it means we'll have Bland Spittoon as the next PM, barring any really bad zingers.
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    So much for supporting women with young children.
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    Well Kelly despite being a lawyer is not the smartest stick in the woodshed it must be said, but she's been a faithful follower of the party line on just about everything even when it makes her sound ridiculous. Peta might have some ideas of her own I reckon and not be backward about putting them forward, the Libs should think very carefully. But of course if O'Dwyer is dumped then it will show just how strong the right is.
    Mal. may not last beyond the next election, if till then.
    A very great disappointment, to himself as well.

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    Credlin is Abbott to all intents and purposes, so that would make it two Abbots for Mal to combat. No good for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Credlin is Abbott to all intents and purposes, so that would make it two Abbots for Mal to combat. No good for him.
    With Turnbull as prime minister we still have all the negatives of an Abbott government – indeed Turnbull is so desperate to prove his conservative bona fides he’ll even go further than Abbott did on issues such as 18C. And on other issues where the hope was he would change direction, such as climate change policy, he steadfastly sticks to Abbott’s path.

    At least under Abbott there was a hope that perhaps Turnbull would become leader and put an end to the politics of divide and debase; that he would end the style of politics that sought to use terrorism to justify policies that carry the taint of racism.But no. Now even that – admittedly small and misguided – hope is lost, and the conservative rump of the Liberal party is more rampant than ever.The announcement on 457 visas was a prime example of how it has all gone wrong.Done without anywhere near the proper level of consultation, the policy change was a perfect case of a government’s political solution making the policy worse.

    Yes Turnbull, the great hope for intelligent government, is now arguing that changes which inherently make it more difficult for people of different cultural backgrounds to become Australian citizens will enable our multicultural society to be “more successful”.

    It’s the type of logic you use when you have to make up a reason to do something that has no need to be done.A look at the document outlining the proposed changes also shows just how false is the entire premise.

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    I see Dutton is defending his seemingly false assertions re the disturbance and shooting on Manus.
    "I have information that you do not"

    Local pollie says it was over a dispute re a sporting venue, the business of the 10 year old boy and fruit was days before, and innocent. He was begging for food.
    BTW, 'officially' the processing centre does not exist, they are living on a Naval Base. But it is staffed and funded by Australia still. There is evidently CCTV footage available, but not released.

    But 40 inmates face charges of some sort of another. Tensions are high.

    What a mess.
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    Dutton doesn't know how to say, "I was wrong". Despite all evidence from the local police that he is.
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    On another matter, this too is very disturbing
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/educa...22-guj84k.html

    Cultural and language differences and actual student reproductive knowledge make it more difficult.

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    Brand protection?
    It will blow back badly and could cost the country a major export income.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    I see Dutton is defending his seemingly false assertions re the disturbance and shooting on Manus.
    "I have information that you do not"

    Local pollie says it was over a dispute re a sporting venue, the business of the 10 year old boy and fruit was days before, and innocent. He was begging for food.
    BTW, 'officially' the processing centre does not exist, they are living on a Naval Base. But it is staffed and funded by Australia still. There is evidently CCTV footage available, but not released.

    But 40 inmates face charges of some sort of another. Tensions are high.

    What a mess.
    Strangely PNG is asking Australia to release the footage while Dutton is saying it's up to PNG to release the footage.
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    Nothing strange about that seeing that the whole setup is a para-legal fiction.

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    The Kelly/Credlin battle seems to be hotting up. Very factional of course.....

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    I wonder who has the numbers ?
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    4 corners. Horrifying, photographs of 6,700 Syrians tortured and killed by the Assad regime, but we've seen this sort of pics before. After WW2. Like then the authorities kept meticulous records, names, numbers dates.

    And these have been acquired by a group accounting war crimes by Assad's regime.

    Might never be a prosecution though.

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    I didn't watch it, I've seen too much already.
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    Immigration minister Peter Dutton has stood by his department’s version of events surrounding a child entering Manus Island during Easter and called for the ABC and Fairfax to apologise “in the next 24 hours” for suggesting the information he provided was false.

    The minister last week said PNG defence personnel may have opened fire because three asylum seekers were spotted leading a five-year-old boy towards the immigration centre. The claims have been contradicted by the PNG defence force, Manus province police commander David Yapu and a former Manus Island MP, Ronny Knight.

    Mr Dutton told Sky News tonight he had reconfirmed his original story with sources on the ground at Manus Island today and told the program he would not budge on those version of events.

    “What I said is factual, I stand by it 100 per cent, and I’m not going to be cowered into a different position when I know what I’ve said to be the truth,” he said. “And I’ll stand by those comments and I expect the ABC and Fairfax and others to be making an apology in the next 24 hours given the revelations that have been released tonight in relation to their discredited witness.”

    Some reports about the incident used evidence from Former Manus Island MP Ronny Knight, who said the violence was unrelated to the fact that a child had been taken into the centre, however it emerged a court had recently upheld a decision from two years ago dismissing him from office over charges of misappropriating funds.


    “When you have the ABC and others who are relying on reports and the accounts of people convicted of fraud and who have been have been excluded from parliament, taken their word over the word of the Australian government, frankly I think the ABC has lost the plot and I think they should be out apologising,” said Mr Dutton.


    “The problem is, in relation to a lot of the journalists, they’ve morphed into advocates and lost control of any dispassionate view of this circumstance. “


    “If somebody from the ABC or from Fairfax or The Guardian or some of these fringe dwellers out on the internet have a different view a more substantive view or more informed view let them put it on the table.


    “But I have relayed the facts as they have been provided to me by my department, and those people with knowledge of what happened on the ground and I’m not changing my position, my version, one bit.”
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    PNG says different and wants the video footage released.
    My take is that if you poke someone with a sharp stick they'll get annoyed, if you smile and shake their hand they will be your friends.

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    Adani coalmine at heightened risk of becoming a stranded asset, report says

    The Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis (IEEFA), says the Carmichael project is likely to be “cash flow negative” for the majority its operating life, even with concessional loans.

    The IEEFA’s new report, Adani’s Remote Prospects, warns Adani Enterprises is not in a strong financial position.

    It has thrown into doubt the wisdom of lending the project $1bn worth of taxpayers’ dollar through the Northern Australia Infrastructure Facility
    John Hewson says $1bn loan to Adani the 'last thing' Coalition should be doing


    It comes a week after John Hewson, a former Liberal party leader, warned the Carmichael coalmine was already a “stranded asset” and the last thing the Turnbull government should be doing is lending Adani $1bn.

    The report argues that, beyond the estimated A$1.4bn already sunk in the Carmichael coalmine project, the project may require a further A$5.3bn of investment to get the project operating, and Adani Enterprise will struggle to contribute equity to the project.“The project risks over-stretching the balance sheet of Adani Enterprises to an extreme degree, creating a high level of financial risk to both shareholders and potential financiers,” the report warns.

    Tim Buckley, the director of energy research at IEEFA, a former top-rated equities analyst at Citigroup, said the Carmichael project had the fundamentals of a “feckless entrepreneurial scheme equivalent to those last seen in Australia in the 1980’s”.

    “Absent massive taxpayer subsidies, no independent investor would give the proposal a second glance given its strategic and financial predicament, particularly set against a rapidly declining market for seaborne thermal coal,” Buckley said.



    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/apr/24/adani-coalmine-at-heightened-risk-of-becoming-a-stranded-asset-report-says


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    Interesting, I wonder if they persist ?
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    A pause;
    Heavy rain at the dawn service this morning but the numbers were up. The pub opened early, breakfast, coffee and rum.
    Lest we forget.

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