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    So you're happy to leave out a whole third (3.5million people) of the total number of wage earners from the average.

    You will note that the ABC piece talks specifically about full time wages and not all wages. The FT wage average isn't used as an overall picture, but as an indicator figure, in this instance of geographic earning power from state to state.

    If you want to talk about a tax bracket policy is supposed be based on averages of the whole country, then you need to have a true picture of the whole country. That includes the 3.5 million PT workers. That demonstrates that the average wage is a bit below $60K. This is an unarguable fact. The ABS state it as such: "All"
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Speaking of who are left out of the figures.
    I spent a deal of today involved with a conference and survey of volunteers, both formal and informal, in our part of Victoria. Of course volunteers being unpaid no value is subscribed in GDP terms although a statistical value is available.
    Most of the info for 2012, if anyone's interested, is here
    http://volunteeringvictoria.org.au/w...n-Victoria.pdf

    And of course there's no allowance in these figures for unclaimed or unclaimable expenditure on materials and resources involved in their volunteering.

    I actually used my pro bono work experience in a project bid for the first time ever last week. Haven't heard back yet. Looking at another one to bid on due next week... will do same. Funny, never considered mentioning it before, but it's all experience. Actually pointed out that I've been to every city and major town in the country too... and many very remote areas. Would be interesting to score a paid job there (only a 5 week project).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Gibbs View Post
    So you're happy to leave out a whole third (3.5million people) of the total number of wage earners from the average.

    You will note that the ABC piece talks specifically about full time wages and not all wages. The FT wage average isn't used as an overall picture, but as an indicator figure, in this instance of geographic earning power from state to state.

    If you want to talk about a tax bracket policy is supposed be based on averages of the whole country, then you need to have a true picture of the whole country. That includes the 3.5 million PT workers. That demonstrates that the average wage is a bit below $60K. This is an unarguable fact. The ABS state it as such: "All"
    Oh dear. Here we go again.

    Duncan... it's the convention.

    Duncan... it leaves out over half the population - those who don't work. We don't average down the number by including them either.

    Do you want me to go on, or are you going to accept the number that everyone else, except for one landscape architect, uses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Now, Duncan.... if I were to do the same sort of number on you now, as you pulled the other day on me...
    Ian, I simply didn't want you posting to my thread. I wasn't in the mood for you right then. Really I wasn't. You kept posting to it, so I kept deleting it. It appears that you have a problem with being obtuse. Not my problem. Bleat about it all you wish as some kind of troll on my part. It wasn't I just find your responses to issues surrounding inequality to be generally predictable and boring. Hopefully now I've told you in black and white, you might adjust your approach.

    Don't pretend to be a victim when you're actually being a bully, don't be snide and slip in little jabs, and try and say nice things instead. It's also not a point to be argued, as it's the way in which I and many others here feel. If you have even the slightest concern for our feelings and how we perceive you then you may wish to quit with the unproductive jabs like this silly one above. You may not have any concern, but that's your problem. I'll continue to think of you as Eric Cartman from Southpark incarnate. However, I do await to be pleasantly surprised. Try it. Seriously.

    On that note I'm off to bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Gibbs View Post
    Ian, I simply didn't want you posting to my thread. I wasn't in the mood for you right then. Really I wasn't. You kept posting to it, so I kept deleting it. It appears that you have a problem with being obtuse. Not my problem. Bleat about it all you wish as some kind of troll on my part. It wasn't I just find your responses to issues surrounding inequality to be generally predictable and boring. Hopefully now I've told you in black and white, you might adjust your approach.

    Don't pretend to be a victim when you're actually being a bully, don't be snide and slip in little jabs, and try and say nice things instead. It's also not a point to be argued, as it's the way in which I and many others here feel. If you have even the slightest concern for our feelings and how we perceive you then you may wish to quit with the unproductive jabs like this silly one above. You may not have any concern, but that's your problem. I'll continue to think of you as Eric Cartman from Southpark incarnate. However, I do await to be pleasantly surprised. Try it. Seriously.

    On that note I'm off to bed.
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    LOL, Kormann on RN defending Lib/Greens preference deals whilst warning about the Lab/Greens alliance.
    He tried to sidestep saying it's Tony Nut's concern, not his. Meanwhile Kroger is putting his oar in as well.

    And the Tele has come out in support of Albinese? Unbelievable!

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    Kormann sounds pretty frantic every time I hear him.
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    http://www.theage.com.au/environment...09-goqcm0.html

    The impending 400 ppm reading at Cape Grim comes at an awkward timing for CSIRO, which is the midst of cutting 275 jobs, many of them in climate science.


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    Quote Originally Posted by seanz View Post
    http://www.theage.com.au/environment...09-goqcm0.html

    The impending 400 ppm reading at Cape Grim comes at an awkward timing for CSIRO, which is the midst of cutting 275 jobs, many of them in climate science.



    New data out on Tuesday show that emissions from the country's main electricity grid covering the eastern states have risen 5.7 per cent - or 8.7 million tonnes - in the year to April compared with the final 12 months of the carbon tax that the Abbott government scrapped in July 2014, according to energy consultants Pitt & Sherry.
    The share of coal in the National Electricity Market has risen to 76.2 per cent - its highest level since September 2012 - from 72.3 per cent during the period since June 2014, the consultants' latest Cedex report said.


    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/environment...#ixzz48ILixigp
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    Heh, heh... the response around the ether to the bloke that Q&A rolled out is interesting. Meanwhile, this thread is starting to sound familiar


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    It's OK... South Australia is going to save us from electricity emissions. They just shut their last coal fired plant.

    That's going to be "interesting" - the following pre-dates that.

    Australian Financial Review
    Ben Potter and Simon Evans
    2 March 2016

    Power prices in South Australia have jumped 90 per cent

    Steven Mouzakis got a shock last year when he negotiated a new electricity supply deal for Brickwork’s Austral brick factory at Golden Grove, South Australia for 2016.


    “The energy price increased by 90 per cent,” Mr Mouzakis, the company’s Sydney-based national energy and sustainability manager, said. “How can we operate a business with energy costs increasing at 90 per cent?”


    BHP Billiton, which owns the giant copper-gold mine at Olympic Dam 572 kilometres north of Adelaide, is also suffering from South Australia’s volatile electricity market.


    “Security and reliability of power, as well as price increases for electricity in the forward market, are areas of concern for Olympic Dam,” a BHP Billiton spokesman said.


    The mining giant, which has cut 500 jobs at Olympic Dam in the past year, was one of several large electricity customers to attend a meeting on electricity prices hosted by the Weatherill government last Wednesday.


    Prices for electricity in 2017 and 2018 are $80 to $90 per megawatt hour, which is twice the price in Victoria. SA business groups fear they will be stuck with high prices for years after the meeting heard there were no short-term fixes for the squeeze.

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    Oh, while we're at it, Mr Tax whinger from Q&A, named his first (of two) daughters Indica. Says a lot


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    Oops. Here's the rest of the SA Powerdebacle story. Don't hear much of it on the ABC


    An electricity price jump of 90 per cent translates into the total electricity bill for the Golden Grove brick plant – which is run by general manager David Robertson – jumping about 40 per cent with distribution and supplier margins. Mr Mouzakis doesn’t hesitate to finger the culprit: the Weatherill government’s obsession with leading the nation in renewable energy. “We have seen a massive uptake of renewable energy in South Australia, and a reduction in baseload,” he said. “That’s really impacted on the forward prices.”

    There was little to lift the gloom at the government’s meeting.

    “It’s unlikely there are going to be any short-term fixes, particularly for the large users. They are going to have to be more pro-active and more sophisticated in how they manage their price risk,” said Business SA senior policy adviser Andrew McKenna.


    “How long do we accept that South Australia has got a forward wholesale price essentially double that of Victoria, and how long can the wider SA economy sustain that?”


    The electricity squeeze is a problem for other large customers like Belgian metals group Nyrstar, which wants to buy electricity at a predictable price when it fires up the Port Pirie base metals smelter rather than take its chances in a volatile spot market.


    Supply of conventional baseload power in South Australia is tightening as wind power subsidised under the Renewable Energy Target policy is offered to the local market for very low – sometimes negative – prices.


    This is driving some coal and gas generators out, leaving the state heavily dependent when the wind drops on a couple of gas turbines and a high voltage link to Victoria’s brown power stations – and vulnerable to spot market spikes.


    “We have been the state that has taken on more of the Renewable Energy Target burden than any other state and that’s coming back to bite us,” Mr McKenna said.


    The meeting hosted by the government heard from consultants CQ Partners that the loss of the Northern coal-fired power station in May on top of earlier baseload power plant closures will leave the market illiquid and retailers and customers heavily dependent on AGL Energy and Origin Energy, the dominant generators still in the market. With gas prices two to three times their past prices, new gas power plants are unlikely to be built and would have a generating cost of $70 to $75 a megawatt hour.


    Mr McKenna said solutions proffered at the meeting were long term – an unfunded proposal by AGL to build grid-scale battery storage, and a smart grid proposal from Siemens of Germany to store surplus renewable energy in hydrogen fuel cells.


    The high voltage transmission line to Victoria’s brown coal power stations is being upgraded to 650 megawatts in two stages by March 2017.

    Mr Mouzakis said the expanded capacity was unlikely to be enough since if it was “we’d have seen a reduction in forward prices and we are not seeing that”.

    “We need some kind of mechanism either to rationalise capacity or to support capacity when we continue to need it and we have got to stop pretending that this is a market and it’ll just sort itself out when we have got this other massive intervention in the market.”


    Mr Hyslop, whose clients have included the Energy Supply Association of Australia, the federal government’s RET review and the Queensland Competition Authority, said it would be even more important to deal with NEM design issues if Labor won government and implemented a 50 per cent renewable energy target Australia wide. The current RET target is equal to about 24 per cent of NEM capacity by 2030.

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    Well we can have cheap coal fired power or we can cook in our own atmosphere. ..Please choose carefully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Well we can have cheap coal fired power or we can cook in our own atmosphere. ..Please choose carefully.
    Or we can transition sensibly.

    You want your cake and want to eat it too, eh?

    Who's paying the dole to all those who will get thrown out of work by this? You?

    Nah... you can just vote against those who can manage the transition, then blame them anyhow when those who just lie to you sound good. As long as the words sound good, eh? Poetry is so important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Oh, while we're at it, Mr Tax whinger from Q&A, named his first (of two) daughters Indica. Says a lot.
    It says absolutely nothing. You're playing the man and not the issue yet again.

    Should you try out for a shock-jock position on 2GB? You may need to work on your voice...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Gibbs View Post
    It says absolutely nothing. You're playing the man and not the issue yet again.

    Should you try out for a shock-jock position on 2GB? You may need to work on your voice...
    Ah, but, unlike many around this thread, I covered the issue first. Added that little bit at the end as flavouring. He'd already cooked himself. He doesn't pay tax, he doesn't want to either. He's a taker, not a contributor.... a familiar theme to many

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Or we can transition sensibly.

    You want your cake and want to eat it too, eh?

    Who's paying the dole to all those who will get thrown out of work by this? You?

    Nah... you can just vote against those who can manage the transition, then blame them anyhow when those who just lie to you sound good. As long as the words sound good, eh? Poetry is so important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Oops. Here's the rest of the SA Powerdebacle story. Don't hear much of it on the ABC


    An electricity price jump of 90 per cent translates into the total electricity bill for the Golden Grove brick plant – which is run by general manager David Robertson – jumping about 40 per cent with distribution and supplier margins. Mr Mouzakis doesn’t hesitate to finger the culprit: the Weatherill government’s obsession with leading the nation in renewable energy. “We have seen a massive uptake of renewable energy in South Australia, and a reduction in baseload,” he said. “That’s really impacted on the forward prices.”

    There was little to lift the gloom at the government’s meeting.

    “It’s unlikely there are going to be any short-term fixes, particularly for the large users. They are going to have to be more pro-active and more sophisticated in how they manage their price risk,” said Business SA senior policy adviser Andrew McKenna.


    “How long do we accept that South Australia has got a forward wholesale price essentially double that of Victoria, and how long can the wider SA economy sustain that?”


    The electricity squeeze is a problem for other large customers like Belgian metals group Nyrstar, which wants to buy electricity at a predictable price when it fires up the Port Pirie base metals smelter rather than take its chances in a volatile spot market.


    Supply of conventional baseload power in South Australia is tightening as wind power subsidised under the Renewable Energy Target policy is offered to the local market for very low – sometimes negative – prices.


    This is driving some coal and gas generators out, leaving the state heavily dependent when the wind drops on a couple of gas turbines and a high voltage link to Victoria’s brown power stations – and vulnerable to spot market spikes.


    “We have been the state that has taken on more of the Renewable Energy Target burden than any other state and that’s coming back to bite us,” Mr McKenna said.


    The meeting hosted by the government heard from consultants CQ Partners that the loss of the Northern coal-fired power station in May on top of earlier baseload power plant closures will leave the market illiquid and retailers and customers heavily dependent on AGL Energy and Origin Energy, the dominant generators still in the market. With gas prices two to three times their past prices, new gas power plants are unlikely to be built and would have a generating cost of $70 to $75 a megawatt hour.


    Mr McKenna said solutions proffered at the meeting were long term – an unfunded proposal by AGL to build grid-scale battery storage, and a smart grid proposal from Siemens of Germany to store surplus renewable energy in hydrogen fuel cells.


    The high voltage transmission line to Victoria’s brown coal power stations is being upgraded to 650 megawatts in two stages by March 2017.

    Mr Mouzakis said the expanded capacity was unlikely to be enough since if it was “we’d have seen a reduction in forward prices and we are not seeing that”.

    “We need some kind of mechanism either to rationalise capacity or to support capacity when we continue to need it and we have got to stop pretending that this is a market and it’ll just sort itself out when we have got this other massive intervention in the market.”


    Mr Hyslop, whose clients have included the Energy Supply Association of Australia, the federal government’s RET review and the Queensland Competition Authority, said it would be even more important to deal with NEM design issues if Labor won government and implemented a 50 per cent renewable energy target Australia wide. The current RET target is equal to about 24 per cent of NEM capacity by 2030.
    The world needs to make a RAPID transition to non fossil fuel , there will be costs in jobs and new jobs created. A functioning is more important than money....it can't be bought once lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    The world needs to make a RAPID transition to non fossil fuel , there will be costs in jobs and new jobs created. A functioning is more important than money....it can't be bought once lost.
    The world is doing the exact opposite. Your past refrain has been that we should lead the way.

    I AGREE WITH YOU

    Get it? I agree with you.

    Leading the way by creating economic disaster is going to achieve the exact opposite of what you and I want.

    I find it amazing that people can be so stupid as to support situations like that occurring in SA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Ah, but, unlike many around this thread, I covered the issue first. Added that little bit at the end as flavouring. He'd already cooked himself. He doesn't pay tax, he doesn't want to either. He's a taker, not a contributor.... a familiar theme to many
    Your "flavouring" is another of your pathetic and nasty little-boy jabs: The kind that I've pointed out. They do nothing other than reflect badly upon yourself.
    You have no idea about what amount of tax he does, or doesn't pay. Like the arrogant toff on the LHS of the Q&A panel who accused him of the same, you have no access to his accounts and all you're doing is heaping a useless value judgement on him. All that leaves you with is a useless value judgement and a bit of a whiff about you. Good job!

    Consumers (people in general) all contribute to the economy. If there aren't enough people doing so then the economy falters. I thought you, of all people, would know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Or we can transition sensibly.

    You want your cake and want to eat it too, eh?

    Who's paying the dole to all those who will get thrown out of work by this? You?

    Nah... you can just vote against those who can manage the transition, then blame them anyhow when those who just lie to you sound good. As long as the words sound good, eh? Poetry is so important.
    I don't know why I even bother with your posts Ian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Gibbs View Post
    Your "flavouring" is another of your pathetic and nasty little-boy jabs: The kind that I've pointed out. They do nothing other than reflect badly upon yourself.
    You have no idea about what amount of tax he does, or doesn't pay. Like the arrogant toff on the LHS of the Q&A panel who accused him of the same, you have no access to his accounts and all you're doing is heaping a useless value judgement on him. All that leaves you with is a useless value judgement and a bit of a whiff about you. Good job!

    Consumers (people in general) all contribute to the economy. If there aren't enough people doing so then the economy falters. I thought you, of all people, would know that.
    Yet again, you make an unfounded attack on another forumite. Nasty.

    He makes $16 an hour working sporadically. (He decides to work part time - next up, you'll want him included in wage stats).

    He gets $520 a fortnight Austudy allowance.

    His partner (from whom he is separated) lives in a government house (housing commission) with his two daughters.

    He thinks he's exploited.

    I'd suggest that he's exploiting his fellow Australians.

    I'll await the apology that you owe me for your unwarranted nastiness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    I don't know why I even bother with your posts Ian.
    Bye.

    Let me know if you ever decide to pay tax.

    I'll open a bottle of champagne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Bye.

    Let me know if you ever decide to pay tax.

    I'll open a bottle of champagne.
    I pay tax. It seems the Ozs attempt to shaft the guy from Q&A has backfired. People are pointing out that News Limited doesn't pay tax either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    I pay tax. It seems the Ozs attempt to shaft the guy from Q&A has backfired. People are pointing out that News Limited doesn't pay tax either.
    HFC.


    I just knew they'd try to 'get' him. Dissent will not be tolerated, resistance is futile....the truth hurts etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    I pay tax. It seems the Ozs attempt to shaft the guy from Q&A has backfired. People are pointing out that News Limited doesn't pay tax either.
    How is reporting facts an attempt to shaft someone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    The world is doing the exact opposite. Your past refrain has been that we should lead the way.

    I AGREE WITH YOU

    Get it? I agree with you.

    Leading the way by creating economic disaster is going to achieve the exact opposite of what you and I want.

    I find it amazing that people can be so stupid as to support situations like that occurring in SA.
    So we have to wait until the CO2 levels are at 450 ppm before we do anything ? Imagine this as a war to save our ecosystem and you will be about on the money. Infrastructure spending to reduce our CO2 outputs is the way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Yet again, you make an unfounded attack on another forumite. Nasty.

    He makes $16 an hour working sporadically. (He decides to work part time - next up, you'll want him included in wage stats).

    He gets $520 a fortnight Austudy allowance.

    His partner (from whom he is separated) lives in a government house (housing commission) with his two daughters.

    He thinks he's exploited.

    I'd suggest that he's exploiting his fellow Australians.

    I'll await the apology that you owe me for your unwarranted nastiness.

    Is Duncan going to apologise for his bullying attack in post 10526?

    Duncan. Stand up and apologise like a man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Yet again, you make an unfounded attack on another forumite. Nasty.

    He makes $16 an hour working sporadically. (He decides to work part time - next up, you'll want him included in wage stats).

    He gets $520 a fortnight Austudy allowance.

    His partner (from whom he is separated) lives in a government house (housing commission) with his two daughters.

    He thinks he's exploited.

    I'd suggest that he's exploiting his fellow Australians.

    I'll await the apology that you owe me for your unwarranted nastiness.
    I've since found the OZ article and I apologise for my mistake.

    I don't apologise for pointing out that your characterisation of Mr Storrar as some kind of bludger, sponge, exploiter or loser, or any other negative descriptor you care to use. I find such characterisations nasty and pointless. It doesn't further your argument and only makes you appear arrogant. Try again.

    Mr Storrar has to negotiate an increasingly complex, and to those with a limited education, probably bewildering financial system which is geared toward those who already have money. Australian's are growing increasingly sick and tired of the whole "bludger" argument, particularly after O'Dwyer wheeled out her $6K toaster tax claim example. This will possibly be the undoing of the Libgnats. But that's really why you're attacking Mr Storrar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    How is reporting facts an attempt to shaft someone?
    They were attempting to discredit what he was saying by attacking him personally. Maybe News Limited should pay their tax before they try belittling the efforts of someone trying to manage on bugger all.
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    I pay tax. It seems the Ozs attempt to shaft the guy from Q&A has backfired. People are pointing out that News Limited doesn't pay tax either.
    I think you owe the Oz an apology.

    Is this article in the Oz, by Caroline Overington an attempt to shaft Duncan (that Duncan, not "our Duncan")

    Do you guys not engage your brain before posting? Dunc launches a nasty, almost evil attack on me, despite the fact my post was based on fact. You guys let that slide... I guess its because I must "be on the other side"? You launch into an attack on the Oz, presumably because you think its on the other side.

    Grow up, stop being so nasty. Check your facts... at least occasionally. I've come to expect it from Dunc, but maybe there's some hope from some of you?

    Here's the article:


    Should the prime minister be curious as to what bothers the average Australian, he need look no further than Duncan.

    A crowd-funding campaign to buy this guy a $6000 toaster has raised more than $22,000 in less than 24 hours, and that’s despite claims, now being checked, that Duncan doesn’t deserve a cent of your support. “I know him personally ... take back ur (your) money he doesn’t deserve it,’’ writes a woman who claims to know Duncan.

    That’s a heavy accusation, but first: what’s this about a $6000 toaster?

    Well, Duncan Storrar was the battler in the audience on the ABC’s Q&A on Monday night, dressed in the off-white hoodie, the bad teeth and the scratchy beard.

    He claimed to have a mild disability and he’s not well-educated, so he’s been low-paid all his life.
    Duncan asked the panel of finely-attired politicians and businesspeople why the wealthy were getting an equivalent of a tax-cut in the Budget, when a tax-cut would change his life. He’d be able to tell the kids that “Dad’s not broke, and we can go to the pictures’’.

    The panel reacted with the kind of Dickensian heartlessness that is hard to fathom.

    Innes Willox, who used to work for Alexander Downer and is now with the Australian Industry Group, was the most withering, telling Duncan that he probably didn’t pay any tax anyway.

    Indeed, it turns out Duncan pays no net tax and relies on Austudy payments after a difficult life marked by ill health.
    Duncan may not have had Willox’s polish — his oyster-silk tie was probably worth more than Duncan makes in a month — but he refused to be bullied.

    With great dignity, he replied that he paid tax every time he went to the supermarket.

    Next up was cabinet minister Kelly O’Dwyer — relaxed and comfortable in what looked like crepe Carla Zampatti — who told Duncan that her government was pleased to be offering support to a cafe owner with $2 million annual turnover, to assist with the purchase of a $6000 toaster.

    Viewers with a $12 Kmart number that burns one side and leaves the other side raw were agog. For the record, the $6000 toaster is the type you find in the Qantas lounge, as if Duncan’s ever been in the Qantas lounge.

    Never has the disconnect between the rule-makers and those they’re meant to serve been so stark.

    Many in the audience took umbrage, and by Tuesday night, there was a Go-Fund Me page in Duncan’s honour, set up by a guy called Samuel Slammer Fawcett, who demonstrates the kind of dry wit for which Australians are famous.

    “Duncan seems like a good bloke,’ he wrote, “We reckon he deserves a bit of a helping hand so we’ve decided to buy him a new toaster. Six grand oughta cover it. And if he has a little bit left over, maybe he can take his kids to the movies or something.”

    The public had a big belly laugh, then put hand in pocket, and the $6000 target was reached with ease. It’s still climbing as we speak, and what’s remarkable is that it’s climbing despite claims made very early on by a woman called Tamika Drew, who says she’s known Duncan since she was seven-years-old: “I don’t want people to waste away there (sic) money.’’

    Tamika, who has been contacted for comment, warns people not to give money, making a number of so far unsubstantiated claims saying: “... I know him personally … take back ur (your) money he doesnt deserve it.’’

    She added: “did not wish to leave a hateful comment … i just care for all of you and i am not against the cause just the advocate i wanted people to know from both sides and be safe with their money’’.

    What’s interesting is that while some punters immediately shied from the cause, others don’t care. They’re still giving, with some saying they were still happy to support a bloke prepared to take his message to the masters; and with others saying “I believe every one is entitled to adequate income and access to services — irrespective of their situation.’’

    The quick response to Duncan’s plight — or, more accurately, to the plight of his kids — is the clearest window into what the public considers important in this campaign.

    The tax eligibility or otherwise of the $6000 toaster isn’t it.

    The fact that Duncan’s kids can’t go to the pictures? That’s not something Australians want to walk by. Because, come on, and fair go.

    Whatever’s up with the parents, the kids aren’t to blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    They were attempting to discredit what he was saying by attacking him personally. Maybe News Limited should pay their tax before they try belittling the efforts of someone trying to manage on bugger all.
    See my post above.

    As for News Limited paying their tax... there's a legion of gubbies dedicated to making sure that News Limited pays every red cent that they are due to pay. Are you suggesting that companies that make a loss should pay tax? Are you saying that tax deductions shouldn't exist? Are you saying that News Limited evaded tax? Just what are you saying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    See my post above.

    As for News Limited paying their tax... there's a legion of gubbies dedicated to making sure that News Limited pays every red cent that they are due to pay. Are you suggesting that companies that make a loss should pay tax? Are you saying that tax deductions shouldn't exist? Are you saying that News Limited evaded tax? Just what are you saying?
    They evade tax by devious means. Example, a few years ago they extracted an extremely large sum out of the ATO by doing a paper transfer of assets. What they did was technically legal but extremely unethical.
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    How is reporting facts an attempt to shaft someone?
    Just call it a hunch...

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    ..... and 50% of the population all want to be in that same entitlement bucket. It used to be a safety net... now its greed incarnate by a pack of bludgers
    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    ... as for that guy. No... he doesn't pay tax every time he goes to the shop... unless he's perhaps talking about booze or cigarettes.... or processed food items. [...] instead of swallowing all this pap from the entitlement generation.
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    Oh, while we're at it, Mr Tax whinger from Q&A, named his first (of two) daughters Indica. Says a lot
    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    He'd already cooked himself. He doesn't pay tax, he doesn't want to either. He's a taker, not a contributor.... a familiar theme to many
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    He thinks he's exploited.

    I'd suggest that he's exploiting his fellow Australians.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    A crowd-funding campaign to buy this guy a $6000 toaster has raised more than $22,000 in less than 24 hours, and that’s despite claims, now being checked, that Duncan doesn’t deserve a cent of your support. “I know him personally ... take back ur (your) money he doesn’t deserve it,’’ writes a woman who claims to know Duncan.

    [...]
    Well, Duncan Storrar was the battler in the audience on the ABC’s Q&A on Monday night, dressed in the off-white hoodie, the bad teeth and the scratchy beard.

    [...]
    For the record, the $6000 toaster is the type you find in the Qantas lounge, as if Duncan’s ever been in the Qantas lounge.
    [...]

    Whatever’s up with the parents, the kids aren’t to blame.
    If you take out all the negative descriptors, of him (and others, including me) and make your argument clearly, I, and others, might actually take you seriously. But you don't so we won't.

    What you are missing is if the TFT is raised, then the weekly take home amount Mr Storrar receives is increased and he doesn't have to wait until after June to get the tax he's paid back from the ATO. He pays tax on a withholding basis, based upon his pro-rata hourly rate. If the TFT is raised then his weekly take home also increases and he's not struggling as much.

    But keep insulting him and telling us all what a 'bludger' he is, if you want your arguments to fail miserably. By all means!
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