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    Incorrect: That would be "Weirld Dummination."

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    Good Lord - Copy some good idea from NZ? What a heresy! What's next? Lawyerless ACC accident compensation that NZ pioneered in 1975 and which both delivers decent no fault compensation at a fraction of the cost of Australias primitive adversarial system but is also applauded by employers and employees alike? Abolition of the States(provinces) done by NZ in 1855? Passing a coherent town planning and resource management law - the 1991 RMA which eliminates 99% of the litigation and blatant political corruption that bedevils Australian development proposals while sustainably managing natural and physical resources. Heresy I say. The little brothers across the Tasman are to be looked down on, generally ignored (even on ANZAC Day) - Certainly not seen as providing any kind of useful idea to we superior Australians. Heresy I say!

    Oh, things look good from a distance....


    ACC is "lawyerless" as long as they get it right...then it's all lawyers all the time and ACC has lots of them. Does fill in a few grey areas that TAC and WorkSafe don't. Do those agencies even exist in Vic anymore?

    The provinces still exist and have there own (measly) authority and sometimes (Canterbury) we even get to elect who sits on their board. Which is nice because either way we still pay for the 'service'.

    I see no evidence of coherent town planning. None. It's not that nothing happens, it's just that it lacks coherence.

    As to the lack of corruption. Ashburton council recently sold water bottling rights to a company. Not sure who they sold it to because the whole thing was a secret. A lack of transparency? To some, that indicates corruption.

    Sustainable management? There is some of that, but the condition of our rivers etc would indicate there really isn't enough.

    Don't worry NZ ignores Australia on Anzac day too...
    We don't know how lucky we are....

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    Our household has NZ WW2 medals for Mum, NZ Army Nursing Corps and AIF for Dad. A rounded ANZAC day.
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    ANZAC day has become such a nationalist holiday that acknowledging another country just goes against the grain.


    Nice to have the medals like that.
    We don't know how lucky we are....

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    My 11 year old granddaughter wore this this year.
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    No wonder they don't want to touch negative gearing.
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    This could be interesting.
    Papua New Guinea's Supreme Court has ruled Australia's detention of asylum seekers on Manus Island is illegal.
    The five-man bench of the court ruled the detention breached the right to personal liberty in the PNG constitution.
    There are 850 men in the detention centre on Manus Island, about half of whom have been found to be refugees.
    The Supreme Court has ordered the PNG and Australian Governments to immediately take steps to end the detention of asylum seekers in PNG.
    The centre operators and PNG's immigration authorities have recently been trying to move refugees out of detention and into a so-called transit centre.
    They are also offering them the chance to leave detention during the day under certain conditions.
    The asylum seekers whose applications have not succeeded are unable to leave detention and are being told they must go back to their country of origin.
    The Supreme Court decision means that both groups — refugees and asylum-seekers — are being illegally detained, because their freedom of movement is curtailed.

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    I can see LOTS of aid going to PNG very, very soon.
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    The PNG politicians will be calling Panama and other tax shelters as we speak. All that lovely money to ……….. um…..acquire.
    BTW, I'm not meaning to be racist, just a realist.
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    However it was a unanimous decision of the PNG High Court ....Dutton has a problem.
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    Both parties have a problem, and I wonder what RW radio will say tomorrow?
    I wonder how the yellow press will approach it.

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    The Oz will be fuming but the PNG High Court is just that and so is the PNG Constitution.
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    Well I watched my favourite tv show tonight Antique Roadshow and then flicked around. Looking for cerebral stimulation but sadly it was not to be for what did I find? Current Affair indulging in a bit of dole bludger bashing. It seems that while the wealthy are busy dodging the payment of income tax to the tune of billions. The great unwashed are dodging honest work by getting sick notes from their local GP
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    However it was a unanimous decision of the PNG High Court ....Dutton has a problem.
    Supreme Court, not High Court.

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    Distraction from the main game, it's private commercial TV after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    This could be interesting.
    Absolutely typical PNG court decision. I've only been able to find the first 3 pages of the actual decision, but as far as I can see the State failed to comply with a pretrial directions order to do with disputed and admitted facts, and so the court ordered summary judgement without a trial. That is to say there was no evidence and no argument on the issues. The government simply failed to defend the proceedings, so the claimant, which was the leader of the opposition, got the orders they sought. It's not really a decision at all. Just a great example of the failure of PNG as a state.

    Which is a pity, because it would be great to have a proper decision to the same effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoEyeDeer View Post
    Supreme Court, not High Court.
    Correct !
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Correct !
    Circus more like. I'm quite sure that the PNG courts quite deliberately set out to give default judgements on procedural issues, in order to avoid awarding judgement on the merits of a matter. So much easier to say "Sorri tumuch, lawyer bilong yu gone buggerap" than to actually tell a party that their position is crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Y View Post
    Absolutely typical PNG court decision. I've only been able to find the first 3 pages of the actual decision, but as far as I can see the State failed to comply with a pretrial directions order to do with disputed and admitted facts, and so the court ordered summary judgement without a trial. That is to say there was no evidence and no argument on the issues. The government simply failed to defend the proceedings, so the claimant, which was the leader of the opposition, got the orders they sought. It's not really a decision at all. Just a great example of the failure of PNG as a state.

    Which is a pity, because it would be great to have a proper decision to the same effect.

    I wasn't really expecting much to come of it.
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    Much chest thumping re the sub decision, I bet Malcolm prefer's French cuisine to Sushi………….

    I do note that the figure quoted for direct employment was round 2500 here,
    "Mr Turnbull stressed the 12 submarines would be built in Adelaide and the project would create 2,800 Australian jobs." (not just Sth Australian jobs)
    and over 4000 in France.
    "Speaking to Lateline, Senator Payne played down reports in French media the deal would keep 4,000 people employed at the plant in France."
    There will of course be a knock on effect but
    "Mr Turnbull also dodged questions about the exact percentage of the build that will take place in Australia, saying those negotiations have not been settled".

    I note Labour was somewhat less than gracious, announcement day is not the time to quibble on unknown detail.

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    Labor is just playing silly buggers, of course. The funny bit here is that now the decision has been made, there's no reason for the SA electorate to keep Truffles and Co on anyway. No matter who they vote for the deal will be going ahead. So although the LNP got frightened into pork barrelling in desperation*, it may not do them any good at all.

    *Although I don't doubt that the French subs will be good ones, and I do think it makes sense to keep strategic industries operational in this country.

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    "*Although I don't doubt that the French subs will be good ones, and I do think it makes sense to keep strategic industries operational in this country."
    That's what I said about the car industry, quite apart from the loss of expertise and training.

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    Interesting that Bruce's canoe was made in Queensland.

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    Bruce's canoe?

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    I note that Dutton and Marles are singing from the same song sheet re Manus Island and the detainees.
    Bipartisanship at it's grimmest but they are desperate not to restart the trafficking with an election looming.

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    Yup. There's no way the electorate will stand for porous borders again. It'd be political suicide.

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    Those dreaded TV images, bugger the Refugee Convention.
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    I'll avoid that, sorry , I'm a wee bit delicate sometimes.
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    So, Manus is to be closed and Aus. will have to make other arrangements.
    "Papua New Guinea's Prime Minister Peter O'Neill says the Manus Island regional processing centre will be closed following a ruling from the country's Supreme Court. PNG's Supreme Court yesterday ruled Australia's detention of asylum seekers on Manus Island is illegal.Mr O'Neill has now released a statement which said his government "will immediately ask the Australian Government to make alternative arrangements for the asylum seekers".

    That's put the cat amongst both parties pigeons I expect. With an essentially bi partisan policy blaming the other may be a very delicate game.

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    I wonder if Dutton will just refuse to cooperate ?
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    I don't think that is an option, running about shouting like chook without a head. Especially with an election in the offing. But for it to be an electoral minus Labor has to have a plan, and I don't think they have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    I don't think that is an option, running about shouting like chook without a head. Especially with an election in the offing. But for it to be an electoral minus Labor has to have a plan, and I don't think they have.
    Have you seen Labors climate change policy? It's rubbish.
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    It's better than nothing and that seems to be the LNP policy.
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