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    He's frantically avoiding a dagger right now.

    "NoMan's land'', a very good line.
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    I reckon Cash and Morrison have been in leadership campaign mode for some weeks at least.

    I just had a visit from my liberal voting paddling mate. He's always vote liberal, but says he cannot this time around. He won't vote labour or greens with whom he has lost what respect he had for their alternate position and asked what I was going to do. Conclusion was below the line and a lot of research. He thinks he might vote 1 for Muir in the senate for a start.

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    At least he's enthusiastic! Boom boom!
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    Wouldn't Mal love the old Senate back? Sans Leyonjhelm preferably. I'd say there will be a few Xenophon team in too and they will not be friends of the Libs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Gibbs View Post
    He's basically done what Rudd did to ensure his own demise: Do nothing. Rudd said that AGW is the greatest moral challenge of out time (which it is) and then folded when the Senate blocked the CPRS and his huge popularity collapsed. Mal', as we all know is a republican and supporter of SSM, so why he's cow-towing to the right wing rump (not to mention hanging onto a whole raft of Abbott's policies) is beyond reason. He's letting Bill set the agenda (tax, banking RC...) and I'm sure it won't be long until his miserable tenure as Abbott's communication minister will come home to roost during the campaign with the NBN being completely stuffed up, just because Abbott was the nation's "No" Man, turning the Libgnats into "No" Man's Land.

    Unbelievable! Here we all were thinking Mal' would be smart!
    That's desperation for you!
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    As usual things look very dodgy in PNG politics and policing.
    "Papua New Guinea's police commissioner has shut down the country's high-profile Fraud and Anti-Corruption squad, which has been targeting senior members of the Government for arrest. The Commissioner sent officers to lock down the squad's headquarters in central Port Moresby, saying he was enforcing his authority on a rogue part of the police force. But his actions come just after anti-corruption officers arrested several people who'd been opposing their attempts to arrest the Prime Minister for official corruption."

    Plenty of references on the net, here's another
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-1...police/7333396

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    Chaos plus thousands dying from antibiotic resistant TB http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/...-04-17/7326118

    We are looking at Haiti on our doorstep the way it's going.
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    I see that Sinodinis is required to appear before a Parliamentary enquiry, but at the same time a Greens motion to establish a federal ICAC was voted down by BOTH majors.

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    Follow the money.
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    Speaking of money...the chequebook is out in Lebanon.
    We don't know how lucky we are....

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    …………… and it produced results. Compensation, and everybody goes home. But the kids stay.

    And so do the snatch team. KIdnapping?
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    Well blow me down, all of a sudden Barrier Reef bleaching and climate change is an emergency? So a teleconference meeting at 10.30 pm? There must be an election in the offing…………..

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-2...-miles/7343012

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    Just a side note on our ANZAC Day, there was an article on the spectacle it has become.

    Because the truth of the Gallipoli experience was probably not "eating great tucker, watching historic footage on huge screens, seeing iconic entertainers live on stage and camping in authentic swags" ... or it might have been if you could add in the constant possibility of lingering and painful death, the stench of **** and bloated bodies, the gibbering fear in the boy beside you stinking with his own nervous urine and sweat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    I see that Sinodinis is required to appear before a Parliamentary enquiry, but at the same time a Greens motion to establish a federal ICAC was voted down by BOTH majors.
    It's a bit hard to know which comment to make there.
    The thought of a federal ICAC must be a terrifying prospect for many politicians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Just a side note on our ANZAC Day, there was an article on the spectacle it has become.
    Because the truth of the Gallipoli experience was probably not "eating great tucker, watching historic footage on huge screens, seeing iconic entertainers live on stage and camping in authentic swags" ... or it might have been if you could add in the constant possibility of lingering and painful death, the stench of **** and bloated bodies, the gibbering fear in the boy beside you stinking with his own nervous urine and sweat.

    for both the Turks and the invaders.
    War must be the greatest tragedy humans can ever arrange.
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    ​"Life is under no obligation to give us what we expect." Irrfan Khan. RIP

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    We remember and are ashamed of what was done in our name.

    Another Howard election gimmick, no wonder he's despised for all except the Port Arthur reaction.
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    Do not be on a government benefit without a Mum and Dad to give you a bed. Hard is Mum and Dad are dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    We remember and are ashamed of what was done in our name.
    Well, yes. But Howard was basically right.

    International law governing rescue of those adrift at sea in international waters calls for a nearby vessel to pick them up and take them to land. But that's essentially all it says. Normally the vessel would continue on her scheduled voyage and put the folk ashore at a port on or near her route. The law doesn't say anything about taking them to the nearest land or even somewhere they can get medical attention. However, a suitable landing port is usually suggested by the country that manages the rescue. In this case that country was Indonesia (not Australia), and Indonesia suggested the port of Merak. Note that Merak is on the east side of Sunda Strait which the Tampa intended to transit on her way to Singapore, and so would have perfectly satisfied standard rescue procedure.

    Note that international law most certainly does not require the rescuing vessel to take those rescued to any particular destination they might prefer.... The Tampa's master was under no legal compulsion to take them anywhere in particular, and the suggested port of Merak was pretty clearly the most suitable.

    But these people were asylum-seekers who did not want to be landed in Indonesia, they wanted to come here. (I daresay they knew that Indonesia wouldn't have given them asylum but would have returned them home, which was not what they wanted at all.)

    In taking the asylum-seekers from their vessel the Tampa's master became responsible for them under international law. Quite right and proper, and good on him. That's about all he did that was good though. In taking them to Christmas Island he was not acting in accordance with the law. He said that he was acting under pressure from those rescued -- which he may have been, but in that case it would have been piracy, about which there was no suggestion. In fact though he was acting under instructions from his own government (please don't ask me how I know this).

    Norway claimed at the UN that we'd failed to meet our obligations to distressed mariners under international law in this case, which was quite untrue. UNHCR got all hot under the collar about it too, quite inappropriately. (Like many civil libertarians and others of that ilk, UNHCR often acts from its heart rather than its head.) There;s no question but the Norwegian Government was playing brinkmanship with us over Tampa. We had no obligation to accept the asylum seekers at Christmas Island or anywhere else, and Howard should have stopped at turning the Tampa away from Australian waters. If the Tampa's master wanted to create an international incident (he may not have, but his government wanted him to) then he couldn't have done better than to enter Australian waters illegally -- which indeed he did. Where Howard slipped up was in the 'children overboard' business. That was stupid. But in the rest of the affair he was in the right.

    Wiki has an account of the Tampa affair which is mainly but not entirely correct, and also somewhat incomplete.

    This affair become a major plank of the then Liberal Government's new border protection policy (although an asylum-seeker policy was already in force, with the 'Pacific solution'. A legal challenge was made against detention of the asylum-seekers, but subsequently failed. See this article.)

    This was the policy that Rudd stupidly threw out immediately on the Labor Party's accession to power in 2007, with all the unfortunate consequences we've seen since.

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    It seems rumour has it that Japan is running 3rd in the sub build race, and that Abe is considering a direct appeal to Turnbull for a captains pick.
    "The Japanese Government is weighing options for a top-level intervention to promote its flagging bid to build Australia's $50bn future fleet of submarines.The ABC has been told a direct call by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to Malcolm Turnbull to plead Japan's case is among the options being considered.After 14 months assessing bids by Japanese, French and German submarine builders, the Competitive Evaluation Process is reaching a conclusion and the National Security Committee of Cabinet is now considering a final decision.
    Hints have emerged that the two European bidders have trumped the Japanese offering of an adapted version of its four-tonne displacement Soryu class boat for Australia's next fleet of 12 submarines."
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-2...roject/7347926

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    Four tonne displacement?

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    I'm going to put this here, be warned though much that is said in the article is confronting. it's certainly not the romanticized view most people want to believe on ANZAC Day.
    http://junkee.com/what-does-glorifyi...en-today/76563
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoEyeDeer View Post
    Four tonne displacement?

    Yes due to low enlistments for submarine duty we are buying midget subs.
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    Well, they'll be economical to run and hard to detect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoEyeDeer View Post
    Well, they'll be economical to run and hard to detect.

    Well they would have been but I think the Environment Minister is specifying that they be coal fired.
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    Perfectly logical. Coal is good for humanity. War is good for humanity. Obviously military craft should be powered by coal.

    And after all, he is the world's best environment minister.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    It seems rumour has it that Japan is running 3rd in the sub build race, and that Abe is considering a direct appeal to Turnbull for a captains pick.
    "The Japanese Government is weighing options for a top-level intervention to promote its flagging bid to build Australia's $50bn future fleet of submarines.The ABC has been told a direct call by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to Malcolm Turnbull to plead Japan's case is among the options being considered.After 14 months assessing bids by Japanese, French and German submarine builders, the Competitive Evaluation Process is reaching a conclusion and the National Security Committee of Cabinet is now considering a final decision.
    Hints have emerged that the two European bidders have trumped the Japanese offering of an adapted version of its four-tonne displacement Soryu class boat for Australia's next fleet of 12 submarines."
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-2...roject/7347926
    Further to which our glorious AFP have been called out to investigate…………….a leak. But investigating 'a leak' raises the speculation from a rumour to, an actual leak which may have legs. The Japanese certainly thought it did, maybe chasing Tony's promise? Better to have ignored it?
    Of course if they do or don't chose the Japanese sub there'l always be speculation now eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoEyeDeer View Post
    Perfectly logical. Coal is good for humanity. War is good for humanity. Obviously military craft should be powered by coal.

    And after all, he is the world's best environment minister.
    The best money can buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoEyeDeer View Post
    Perfectly logical. Coal is good for humanity. War is good for humanity. Obviously military craft should be powered by coal.

    And after all, he is the world's best environment minister.
    "In 1783, Jean-Baptiste Meusnier, a captain in the French Army's engineer corps, designed the cigar-shaped model for the airship (dirigible) that is still used today. But it was not until 1852 that Henri Giffard, a French engineer, successfully launched the first man-carrying airship. His 144-foot-long craft used a steam engine and large propeller to travel at 6 miles per hour for nearly 20 miles before landing safely. Yet the heavy weight of the steam engine was a barrier to faster and longer flights, so designers did not follow his example."

    Do you think it's out of patent yet?

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    Heard a long interview by Tom Switzer of Tony Abbott on RN this morning. Worth listening to.

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    I slept in .
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    Well done you.
    We don't know how lucky we are....

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    I'm finding it very easy to get very tired , such is life.

    From the political cartoon thread, it seems to fit Australia rather well.... when I think about the Reef and the Carmichael Mine in particular.

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    And on the forthcoming (whenever) elections, I was sent this this morning --


    The Predictor Update

    The BREAKTHROUGH has happened
    Dr Kevin Boneham has the first rolling average of all the polls to have Labor in FRONT at 50.1.
    Poll Bludger has his rolling average at 50.1 to the Coalition.
    All this means is, both sides CAN win.

    What does Labor need to win
    Dr Kevin Boneham's current model estimates that Labor requires 51.0% two-party preferred for an even chance of forming government at all, or 51.4% for a 50-50 chance of a majority because of the independents.
    This means Labor probably needs another 2% to be a good chance of winning.

    The seat situation
    Poll Bludger has a margin of 11 seats to the Coalition with them being quite strong in NSW and Qld.
    Labor will need to pick up at least 10 seats in these two states to win.

    NewsPoll
    The ABC's election analyst Antony Green says that the new Newspoll now run by Galaxy is an amalgam of two polling methods (landline-only robocalling, and online panel polling) and that both have mediocre reputations.
    He also says we won't know how accurate their methods are until they are tested at an election.

    There is really only one BIG issue
    And it is the ECONOMY.
    It will all change when the Budget comes out and the big question is can Morrison perform well enough for the Coalition to win?
    Under the Coalition, the debt and deficit has roughly DOUBLED in just three years.
    No amount of screaming and hyperventilating from Morrison can change those figures though.

    Other impacts on the outcome
    The Greens looking to do preference deals with the Liberals. Can you believe it?
    The Arthur Sinodinis matter is still unresolved and could come up again during the campaign.
    The AFP investigation into the claims by James Ashby against Peter Slipper have not been completed.
    Can the ultra conservatives in the Liberal Party shut up for a full 102 day campaign.
    Palmer's gone but what will be the impact in other states of NXT especially where will their preferences go.
    The so called 'sophomore effect' where new members get about 1 - 2% extra vote in their second election because they become more well known in their electorate.
    Shorten's union links will be exaggerated by the Liberals.
    The long campaign time of 102 days. Can you believe it?

    It's pretty simple really
    It's all hot air and waffle until the Budget comes down and Turnbull actually decides to call a Double Dissolution election.
    I can't see him going to a DD election if he is still falling in the polls.

    The Predictor says
    Let it all go until the Budget has come down and the Election date is actually known.

    The Predictor
    PS: Turnbull doesn't look very confident to me and I have a strong sense something big is going on behind the scenes.



    We'll see how good his predictions are in due course. As he says, "It's all hot air and waffle until ... Turnbull actually decides to call a[n] ... election. I can't see him going to a DD election if he is still falling in the polls."

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    "The Predictor
    PS: Turnbull doesn't look very confident to me and I have a strong sense something big is going on behind the scenes."

    Yes, so do I.Tony sounded very strong this morning. Morrison is sounding a bit frantic, Cash has put her hand up. Turnbull will look very silly if he backs out of the DD now and would be out immediately, but likely lose anyhow.

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