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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Incitement to awareness.

    1896, Roeburne Gaol. Care to quote the context and list the crimes?
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    I'll leave that to you. Being black while walking was generally frowned on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Gee, that's funny.... I thought the vast majority of the population were well-intentioned, motivated to help and actually did so. That some may have been misguided by current standards isn't necessarily something to be thrown back in their faces.

    But then again... Greens tend to come at things from a tear it all down perspective. That's why they keep losing elections
    What ? Have another beer Ian.
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    Strangely enough there are no white prisoners in that line or this one. Lots of chains, very Old South.





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    For a slight change of subject let us imagine the Trump winning the US election, now as we absolutely always do as we are requested by our great and powerful friend , what do you hink he would be likely to do as POTUS? and where would he lead us?
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    Oh no.... indigenous folks smiling. That's bad for the black armband historians, eh?

    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    Well I guess the Liberal story brooks no bad news eh ? Keep everyone smiling and paint out the past. As long as you're happy Ian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Well I guess the Liberal story brooks no bad news eh ? Keep everyone smiling and paint out the past. As long as you're happy Ian.
    We all know there was no genocide in Australia.
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    Ian's told us so, I understand they all just walked into the sea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Well I guess the Liberal story brooks no bad news eh ? Keep everyone smiling and paint out the past. As long as you're happy Ian.
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    We all know there was no genocide in Australia.
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    Ian's told us so, I understand they all just walked into the sea.

    Paint out the past? Why would you want to do that?

    There's a difference between understanding the past... with all its wrinkles, including the 2,500 white settler killings, the 20,000 indigenous killings during the same conflicts (slight difference in firepower having a bit of an impact there)... the cannibalism, the atrocious treatment of women and children by modern standards... and so on.... and inciting domestic terrorism.

    You blokes just seem to drag this crap up because you seem incapable of understanding the current issues and what can be done to resolve the problems. It will never aid reconciliation and improvement. But, you guys feel free to promote divisiveness - it seems to be your prime motive. It gives you something to do, eh? Keep at it... see if you can find something from 150 years ago to crow about.

    If you were fair dinkum, you'd realise that displaying images of deceased indigenous people isn't appropriate. You are fair dinkum, aren't you? You do understand the issues, don't you?
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    and here we have the perfect depiction of the grumpy old oz men.... just the last word in the cartoon needs replacing. Put in "Libs" and that's them

    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    I guess now we know what it looks like when someone shirt fronts Putin. So glad that idiot Abbott is no longer PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post

    Are you suggesting there should be no regulation of any indigenous person by the non-indigenous, no intervention, and by inference, no benefits provision?
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Are you suggesting there should be no regulation of any indigenous person by the non-indigenous, no intervention, and by inference, no benefits provision?
    You just treat everyone the same. Domestic violence and child sexual abuse are criminal acts irrespective of race. You don't need to suspend the racial discrimination act to do it. You don't punish an entire race because of the actions of a few, as was done in the NT with the quarantining of benefits etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Paint out the past? Why would you want to do that?

    There's a difference between understanding the past... with all its wrinkles, including the 2,500 white settler killings, the 20,000 indigenous killings during the same conflicts (slight difference in firepower having a bit of an impact there)... the cannibalism, the atrocious treatment of women and children by modern standards... and so on.... and inciting domestic terrorism.

    You blokes just seem to drag this crap up because you seem incapable of understanding the current issues and what can be done to resolve the problems. It will never aid reconciliation and improvement. But, you guys feel free to promote divisiveness - it seems to be your prime motive. It gives you something to do, eh? Keep at it... see if you can find something from 150 years ago to crow about.

    If you were fair dinkum, you'd realise that displaying images of deceased indigenous people isn't appropriate. You are fair dinkum, aren't you? You do understand the issues, don't you?
    That applies to white women and children at the time as well and given the rate of violence against women today you can't claim any moral high ground.
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    Are you suggesting there should be no regulation of any indigenous person by the non-indigenous, no intervention, and by inference, no benefits provision?
    Don't be an idiot
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    You just treat everyone the same. Domestic violence and child sexual abuse are criminal acts irrespective of race. You don't need to suspend the racial discrimination act to do it. You don't punish an entire race because of the actions of a few, as was done in the NT with the quarantining of benefits etc.
    Howard's intervention was a stunt.... just before an election but he was at heart an overwhelming racist. I submit his Ten Point plan to strip property rights from aborigines..... just after the High Court had finally granted them. The last time a government stripped property rights from people based on ethnicity was in Germany in the 30s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
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    Don't be an idiot
    I think you mean obtuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    You just treat everyone the same. Domestic violence and child sexual abuse are criminal acts irrespective of race. You don't need to suspend the racial discrimination act to do it. You don't punish an entire race because of the actions of a few, as was done in the NT with the quarantining of benefits etc.
    You'd clearly benefit from doing some research into what was going on in those communities

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    That applies to white women and children at the time as well and given the rate of violence against women today you can't claim any moral high ground.
    Well there's a great combo... a massive error and a total irrelevancy. Do tell us... what's the comparative statistics on violence against women? Then and now, indigenous and non-indigenous? Put your money where your mouth is... or shut up.... or take Peter's advice v

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    Don't be an idiot
    Charming. Is that your standard answer when you've got nothing but failures in your resume?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Howard's intervention was a stunt.... just before an election but he was at heart an overwhelming racist. I submit his Ten Point plan to strip property rights from aborigines..... just after the High Court had finally granted them. The last time a government stripped property rights from people based on ethnicity was in Germany in the 30s.
    The intervention followed the release of the Board of Inquiry into the Protection of Aboriginal Children from Sexual Abuse commissioned by the government of the Northern Territory, which was publicly released on 15 June 2007. If the best you've got is that there was a three-yearly election due six months later, then take your own advice ^^

    Oh... as for native title... feel free to hand your land over - it is stolen property, isn't it? Are you going to put your money where your mouth is, or, accept the benefits, like you do the coal royalties?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    You'd clearly benefit from doing some research into what was going on in those communities



    Well there's a great combo... a massive error and a total irrelevancy. Do tell us... what's the comparative statistics on violence against women? Then and now, indigenous and non-indigenous? Put your money where your mouth is... or shut up.... or take Peter's advice v



    Charming. Is that your standard answer when you've got nothing but failures in your resume?



    The intervention followed the release of the Board of Inquiry into the Protection of Aboriginal Children from Sexual Abuse commissioned by the government of the Northern Territory, which was publicly released on 15 June 2007. If the best you've got is that there was a three-yearly election due six months later, then take your own advice ^^

    Oh... as for native title... feel free to hand your land over - it is stolen property, isn't it? Are you going to put your money where your mouth is, or, accept the benefits, like you do the coal royalties?
    Strangely enough so would aborigine Australia but theft is theft , I guess you're happy with that, actually I know your happy with that .....you've been defending Howard's theft for years. But blacks can't be allowed property rights ( according to Hoard), no matter what the High Court says.
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    Okay this has become a waste of time.
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    Agreed. It always has been, discussing anything with Ian is like shoveling water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Agreed. It always has been, discussing anything with Ian is like shoveling water.
    Water's better than the crap you lay in this thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Okay this has become a waste of time.
    I thought so yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    I thought so yesterday.
    Yeah, the dogs are beaten, but just don't know when to quit. Never anything but an empty resume and bitchin' from the sidelines. They REALLY hate it when their own approach gets used back at them.
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    I just find it a waste of time Ian. I liked your comment re 'playing for cattle stations' and I agree it would be rather unsettling for most of us, maybe literally for some. And the concept of 'theft of the land' is a very emotional one for many. But in spite of the apology if there's mining involved then money wins every time. And BTW I am aware that there are often conflicting opinions amongst traditional owners re access and royalties. It's hard sticking the egg back together.

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    as long as they are white owners eh ? and that was the core of Howard's 10 points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    as long as they are white owners eh ? and that was the core of Howard's 10 points.
    What a load of rubbish. Howard's 10 points provided certainty that kept people in jobs, allowed the place to move forward and allowed native title claims to proceed. We were lucky to have him.
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    I just find it a waste of time Ian. I liked your comment re 'playing for cattle stations' and I agree it would be rather unsettling for most of us, maybe literally for some. And the concept of 'theft of the land' is a very emotional one for many. But in spite of the apology if there's mining involved then money wins every time. And BTW I am aware that there are often conflicting opinions amongst traditional owners re access and royalties. It's hard sticking the egg back together.
    A couple of guys here are ignoring the significant support that indigenous leaders, such as Pearson, Langton, Mundine and Bess Price gave to the intervention.

    It's just typical when a group of non-achievers rattle off their bitches and moans, with no solutions of their own... and do nothing but slag those who've provided certainty and a path forward.

    I'm more than happy to call them on it.
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    Trump, a man who can't hold a coherent thought till the end of the sentence.

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    What? Only 1863. That's 152 years ago. Got anything this millenium... on the treatment of women and children?
    "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome and charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime" Mark Twain... so... Carpe the living sh!t out of the Diem

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    What a load of rubbish. Howard's 10 points provided certainty that kept people in jobs, allowed the place to move forward and allowed native title claims to proceed. We were lucky to have him.
    It stripped property rights from one specific ethnic group, essential racism. Ownership in the wrong hands eh ? No rubbish just fact. No Greeks, no Jews, no whites of any ethnicity lost anything.... just aborigines. But you love Johnny and you approve of his racism so what can I expect but absolute denial?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    A couple of guys here are ignoring the significant support that indigenous leaders, such as Pearson, Langton, Mundine and Bess Price gave to the intervention.

    It's just typical when a group of non-achievers rattle off their bitches and moans, with no solutions of their own... and do nothing but slag those who've provided certainty and a path forward.

    I'm more than happy to call them on it.
    You can't call anyone on anything, all you can do is deny and deny. Same old always.
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