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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Oh, look at that. Qantas made a statutory loss of $2.8 billion the year before. Think there might be a carry-over there?

    You lefties really do display an amazing amount of ignorance at times.
    You're talking about the ATO ... they paid no tax .Zip. None.
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    Legally... time to change the laws.

    Now I know you are every corporations little friend but if the budget is going to balance , ever, corporations have to pay more tax and Howard's tax breaks have to go.... the boom is over.
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    Are there are two ways, it's the Liberals who only have one way.
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    Yep. Libs only know about helping their rich mates and hurting the bottom income end.... just serving their demographic and bugger the country as a whole. But it's just possible that there is a liberal as PM now , maybe.

    At the moment the nastiest war in Australian politics is going on between the liberal and conservative factions of the LibNats. It will be interesting to see what eventuates.
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    Stop waffling Ian, you post the most egregious rubbish imaginable then deny the obvious. Tony has gone ....note to Ian.
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    Side step? Don't be silly Ian. The Liberals are at war with each other, wet versus dry and MacFarlane is trying to jump ship to get the deputy PMs job and old the Qld LibNat branch saved Malcolm from that interesting experience. It's a political battle for the direction of the party, dinosaur deniers versus, well people.

    You just keep your head down that rabbit hole and keep telling yourself all's well and Tony will be back .
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    More drivel. Ian, please .... this isn't 1955 as much you may want it to be. Australia is one of the least class conscious countries around. Class warfare is so very Murdoch, you really have to read outside your comfort zone occasionally.
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    Ah, I see your point. You're right the Libs are conducting attacks on the poor but it's more attacks than warfare, if the poor could defend themselves from the rich it might be termed warfare. It's very one sided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Nah... you're coming at it from the wrong angle. Corporations are entitled to keep any money they earn, within the law. You aren't entitled to their money any more than I'm entitled to yours.
    Yes, but what happens when corporations are configured to effectively escape the law? Obviously one can blame the laws, but it seems to be extraordinarily hard to write tax laws that creative accounting cannot get around in ways that would normally be seen to be unethical in other areas of life. There will either be companies getting away with such "creative accountancy" or an even more complicated tax law system, with all the red tape issues and other complications that creates.

    Given that situation why not try a different approach to taxation laws? We don't have to raise the corporate tax rate high enough to make operating in Australia un-competitive, just get more companies to pay what most people would call their fair share. I thought the tax commissioner has already foreshadowed a change in approach.

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    G'day Chris, now you've done it. Our resident 1955 dinosaur will throw you in with the 'lefties', as he likes to call everyone other than himself.

    But he's mostly OK in spite of his politics. Just a bit of a curmudgeon at times, unless he has a real breakout. But he is holding the fort so to speak by himself. And doughtily too.
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    Hi Chris ... drop up to Antipodean Connection and say hello too.
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    And at the sniff of a change there'll be people you wouldn't want in your house working over Xmas to make sure nothing does in effect. There'll be whole firms of corporate lawyers salivating over the fees before there's a case in the court.

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    I'm in favour of treating corporations like retirees, income shall be deemed and tax paid thereon.
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    How does the ATO handle pensioner losses?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    How does the ATO handle pensioner losses?
    Well it seems when the banks lose peoples super the government bails out the bank and ignores the retiree.
    Personally I think Iceland got it right.
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    Goodness gracious ! A whole country full of independent socialists ..... the horror !

    What's the mantra, privatise profits and socialise losses ?
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    Something that most of us are particularly pleased about is the 2015 has ended with a new PM. I personally regarded Abbott as perhaps the worst PM we have had, perhaps ever and someone particularly dangerous to Australia's cultural integrity.

    This quote illustrates the point particularly well. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-1...n-2015/7036016

    2015 produced much language that I never thought I'd read outside of history books. The nastiest rhetorical excesses of the 1930s, even the extremes of Orwell's dystopian imagination, were matched, and not just from the unelectable fringe. Words do change the world, even those of Donald Trump.
    But it was Tony Abbott's proclamation last week which for me best exemplified where the human conversation now sits. "Cultures are not all equal," he wrote. He has said many other things this year, but those five words sum up both his personal world view and how far we have drifted from the 1949 Universal Declaration of Human Rights with which the world sought to bury the horrors of two world wars and the bigotry, nationalism and assertions of racial and cultural superiority which had spawned them. I don't agree that Abbott is now a historical relic. He is a former prime minister; his words have heft.
    I keep replaying those words - cultures are not all equal. Nothing but harm ever came from that belief. Nothing but harm ever will.
    A deep irony rests in the fact that it's Abbott who gives voice to the resurgent forces of reaction against the principle of equality. He was, after all, the self-described "prime minister for Indigenous affairs". If he feels that his culture is superior to those of the Islamic world (I'm not sure Abbott knows there is more than one), one can only imagine his view on the relative merits of Indigenous culture (the oldest continuing culture on Earth). Actually we know - in 2014 he said in a speech that "it's hard to think that back in 1788 (Sydney) was nothing but bush".
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    The religion of Islam must reform

    TONY ABBOTT: CULTURES are not all equal. We should be ready to proclaim the clear superiority of our culture to one that justifies killing people in the name of God
    Umm...
    George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a senior Palestinian politician in an interview to be broadcast by the BBC later this month. Mr Bush revealed the extent of his religious fervour when he met a Palestinian delegation during the Israeli-Palestinian summit at the Egpytian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, four months after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.
    One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."
    Mr Bush went on: "And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."
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    Yeah.... than dog they're both gone.
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    Some of the comments are interesting, it always amazes me that people know so little of their own system of government and graft on what they see on the tele from the US. But the media has a lot to blame for in this. Simple left/right labels and show pony politics is much easier when you are dealing in 30 second grabs. I imagine many would be quite miffed if they rlise they only elect their local representative, who then does not have to represent them at all. We should as local citizens care much more about who the parties foist on us as a candidate than we obviously do. The 'donkey vote' is much much bigger than the present definition allows.

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    This one is interesting, he's talking of the setting of a precedent that politicians may regret at another time.
    "[I]The Liberal Party's first openly gay federal parliamentarian has questioned the precedent a plebiscite on same-sex marriage could set.[/B]Senator Dean Smith, a vocal same-sex marriage supporter, said a public vote on legalising marriage for same-sex couples may open the door to votes on issues such as military deployment or euthanasia."
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-2...e-vote/7048034


    "Or two line blabs on the net"
    You should read the twitter page in the yellow press when the subject is running, or listen to some talkback.

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    This one is interesting, he's talking of the setting of a precedent that politicians may regret at another time.
    "[I]The Liberal Party's first openly gay federal parliamentarian has questioned the precedent a plebiscite on same-sex marriage could set.[/B]Senator Dean Smith, a vocal same-sex marriage supporter, said a public vote on legalising marriage for same-sex couples may open the door to votes on issues such as military deployment or euthanasia."
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-2...e-vote/7048034


    "Or two line blabs on the net"
    You should read the twitter page in the yellow press when the subject is running, or listen to some talkback.
    Now wouldn't that be an interesting can of worms?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    This one is interesting, he's talking of the setting of a precedent that politicians may regret at another time.
    "[I]The Liberal Party's first openly gay federal parliamentarian has questioned the precedent a plebiscite on same-sex marriage could set.[/B]Senator Dean Smith, a vocal same-sex marriage supporter, said a public vote on legalising marriage for same-sex couples may open the door to votes on issues such as military deployment or euthanasia."
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-2...e-vote/7048034


    "Or two line blabs on the net"
    You should read the twitter page in the yellow press when the subject is running, or listen to some talkback.
    Talkback radio is for nutjobs. Christian FM on the Gold Coast is down right scary.
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    Hell, for a few seconds I read that as military deployment of euthanasia. Wrong country I hope.
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    No Ian, it's NOT Green policy nor even Labor policy.
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    I see the govt has approved Abbott Point, but will there be the cash to do the job? Premier of Qld says it's needed for jobs, but I don't think she's promised a subsidy.
    Moody's are threatening to declare Adani's stock 'junk' because of their already dodgy financial position.
    A bet both ways?

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    Qld Labor are making the same noises as the LibNats but they've taken the cheque book off the table, the previous Nat Mines Minister promised to pay for all infrastructure (almost) which must have made Adani very happy. Labor is a lot more cautious, the coal price and the infrastructure is stranding the whole project.

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    All sounds decidedly dodgy. Coal extraction at any price.
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    It's Queensland, Shenhua on steroids.
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    Adani and Shenhua have lots in common.

    Poor environmental track record

    Australians should also be aware that Shenhua has a poor environmental track record when operating in its home country, China.
    In 2013 a Greenpeace report highlighted serious breaches of environmental law at a Shenhua operated coal mine in northwest China, where polluted wastewater was being directly discharged into local waterways without treatment.
    The groundwater extraction caused by this mine has also allegedly caused over 2,000 farmers’ wells to run dry, causing widespread anger among locals, as well as serious ecological degradation. Following the report Shenhua pledged to phase out groundwater extraction and clean up waste water.
    Indian energy company Adani, who are proposing a similar, though larger coal project in Queensland, have faced similar questions over their environmental track record in India. While Australia does have strong regulations, enforcement and monitoring can be lacking, as revealed in a 2014 report from the Queensland Audit Office.
    The Federal and NSW governments still have a chance to prevent the Shenhua mine from going ahead, and would have strong support from rural Australians and others who are concerned about the environmental impacts in doing so.
    This decision will be critical in setting the future direction and priorities of the country – continuing with business as usual, or progressing to a new era of strategic thinking about long-term natural resources protection.
    Both the economic and environmental risks of continued expansion of coal mining for export in Australia have been highlighted recently. Whether the warnings are heeded may have enormous future consequences.

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    Ain't it marvelous the way unions of labour are ever bad while unions of money can do no wrong ....

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    Nothing we didn't know there Ian, and the CFMEU is in the Hun's headlines again today with an ambit claim.
    The ALP, despite their extensive 'problems', may have pulled it off against Tony, but not with Mal.
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    The Liberals are the ones with the civil war at the moment, Wet versus Thatcherite . Labor has accepted it can't win this time and is sounding almost sensible.
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    Malcolm has them by the short and curlies electorally speaking, as long as the right don't disappear up their own fundament as the ALP have done in the past. But he needs to win his own election.

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