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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    I note the silence re Q&A. I only caught the last half.... but it seemed like a total and complete vindication of what I've said about economic and environmental policy on this site for years....

    .... even the socialist Greek pollie
    Actually, I found Yanis Varoufakis to be one of the most erudite and rational panelists to be on Q&A in a long time. He describes what I think are perfect policy settings, which are mongrels bred from both the left and right of politics. That some things are important to take on, but it doesn't mean you take on the whole ideological package from either end of the spectrum. Ultimately the best policies are compromises, and that sits in line with his views on democracy.

    I also thought his views on refugees to be particularly enlightened. Considering the vast numbers Europe faces, and the whole deaths at sea issue on the Med' is also scaled up compared to Australia, his views are well reasoned, and even addresses the whole issue of the premium of paying people smugglers going up the greater the barriers to entry. Now we know where a good deal of the money ends up, particularly in Europe, according to links you've previously posted on the forum Ian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Longino View Post
    That is a good thought, Pete.
    I think I will do it for my grandchildren.
    They hardly know anything about me other than I'm Grandpa.
    I might write a brief autobiography that they can enjoy and share with my great grandchildren.
    Hell, I might even write some embellishments that could land me in some Texas History school books before I'm done!
    I've got Dragon Speaks on a laptop so I think I'll just sit there and ramble ...while I can remember the stories . There are actually a few good ones too.
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    I wrote a little book about me when I was getting over my illness a couple of years ago. Just for family. Its nice that its easy and cheap to get it put together in a proper looking book. It was good therapy in a way too, probably part of why I gave up the work thing. I gave them out to the family for Xmas presents. My dad is now doing a much more thorough job of writing his memoir, which promises to be a fascinating read.

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    I wish Dad had written his, born 1907 and the depression hit when he was 22 so his young life was droving, mining, drinking and walking to the next job or promise, he walked from Andamooka to Adelaide once, look that one up on the map. His first good job was the AIF in 1939 at 30, pay, 3 meals a day and good boots. Ideal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Similar to the ISIS indoctrination material. Inciting revolution, etc.

    The only "true Australians" eh?
    Interesting that that is all you managed to focus on in that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    That's not all I focused on. That's all I commented on. There is a difference.

    I thought it was a rather unnecessary and inaccurate piece of crap, published in order to incite trouble and perhaps violence.

    If you want to promote domestic terrorism, so be it.

    This is promoting domestic terrorism!?
    Australia is home to the highest rates of Child suicide in the world. Please don’t be confused, this is not the national rate. I am talking about rates inside Aboriginal communities. 20 years ago, suicide in Aboriginal communities was unheard of, but with increased government pressure on remote communities it became more prevalent since the year 2000 and the numbers went off the charts after the governments military backed intervention (that breached human rights) started in 2007.
    It was found that child suicide increased by 500% in 12 months after the intervention started. The Intervention is still happening now after the government decided it was worthwhile to extend it for 10 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    You are being somewhat selective there. Do you really want to give exposure to the rest of that? Perhaps you can explore this bit and tell us more of the underlying issues?



    Just why did that intervention occur? Child sexual abuse, wasn't it?
    Certainly, read this.
    http://search.proquest.com/openview/...gsite=gscholar
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    Then you could ask about the decades and decades of government policies, the mind numbing racism that set the stage for Howard's stunt..... but then that might show that the Australian governments, State and Federal have been racist at heart since the very beginning.
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    After 200 years of institutionalised racism Howard ( on the eve of an election) rode to the rescue. His new found interest was wonderful.

    We were all so very impressed.
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    Missed Q&A, went to sleep! Must be getting old.
    But last week, this week and half next week are full, something involving driving at least 100k every day but tomorrow…………… but it hasn't come yet and there's plenty of time for something to come up.

    Had a near death experience today BTW. Got run off the road by a truck. I was passing him and he just drifted over on me. Didn't touch but it was close, but due to my superior driving skills I negotiated several white posts, a tree and a ditch with out a scratch on anyone or any vehicle. I think the truck driver was asleep, and woke up and corrected when he hit rough stuff I don't think he ever saw us or realised what had happened.

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    We stole the place in 1788, refused to recognise the inhabitants as human, conducted what might be called genocide, and have been pushing that lot of shlt up hill ever since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    You are simply incapable of supporting good policy if it comes from anywhere other than the radical left, eh?

    Tell us again about the excellent results you achieved when working in the indigenous industry. We'd like to celebrate your successes.
    I can't recite any successes, I worked for DAIA, a Queensland government department that under Lib/Nat and Labor was dedicated to the dissolution of aborigine culture. It was overwhelmingly successful as the stats attest.

    Your "excellent policy" was a bandaid on bandaid by a PM desperate to find a last minute prepoll distraction to sensationalise. Howard was as cunning as a rat with all the character of one ... but he read the Australia population well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Missed Q&A, went to sleep! Must be getting old.
    But last week, this week and half next week are full, something involving driving at least 100k every day but tomorrow…………… but it hasn't come yet and there's plenty of time for something to come up.

    Had a near death experience today BTW. Got run off the road by a truck. I was passing him and he just drifted over on me. Didn't touch but it was close, but due to my superior driving skills I negotiated several white posts, a tree and a ditch with out a scratch on anyone or any vehicle. I think the truck driver was asleep, and woke up and corrected when he hit rough stuff I don't think he ever saw us or realised what had happened.
    I'm glad you're OK, the world would be poorer without you ........
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    and you might want to read this

    Aboriginal leader and former Australian Labor Party president, Warren Mundine spoke against critics of the Intervention in 2010, saying:
    What is detrimental about the protecting of children, the protecting of women against sexual assault, physical assault? [...] When Aboriginal women or Indigenous women I should say, are being raped then we need to have policies in place that deal with the rape of those women.
    It applies to all women and children, it didn't need a suspension of the racial discrimination act to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Oh, so you didn't or couldn't do anything successful, so now you sit on the sidelines, sniping at those who are successful? Well done. We're proud of Aussies like you.
    I did useful things but they were outside of my described position, they were personal. DAIA was dedicated to the destruction of aborigine culture .....it was an education in applied racism, something very new to me then. Something that I now note has been government policy ,State and Federal for a very long time. We are noe looking at the results.

    Howard's little bandaid was pathetic but well in keeping with 100 years of policy. Fixing things now is like unmaking an omelet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Yet you are happy to spread that other crap around. Incitement to terrorism. Charming.
    Incitement to awareness.

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    I'll leave that to you. Being black while walking was generally frowned on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Gee, that's funny.... I thought the vast majority of the population were well-intentioned, motivated to help and actually did so. That some may have been misguided by current standards isn't necessarily something to be thrown back in their faces.

    But then again... Greens tend to come at things from a tear it all down perspective. That's why they keep losing elections
    What ? Have another beer Ian.
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    Strangely enough there are no white prisoners in that line or this one. Lots of chains, very Old South.





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    For a slight change of subject let us imagine the Trump winning the US election, now as we absolutely always do as we are requested by our great and powerful friend , what do you hink he would be likely to do as POTUS? and where would he lead us?
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    Well I guess the Liberal story brooks no bad news eh ? Keep everyone smiling and paint out the past. As long as you're happy Ian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
    Well I guess the Liberal story brooks no bad news eh ? Keep everyone smiling and paint out the past. As long as you're happy Ian.
    We all know there was no genocide in Australia.
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    Ian's told us so, I understand they all just walked into the sea.
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    I guess now we know what it looks like when someone shirt fronts Putin. So glad that idiot Abbott is no longer PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Are you suggesting there should be no regulation of any indigenous person by the non-indigenous, no intervention, and by inference, no benefits provision?
    You just treat everyone the same. Domestic violence and child sexual abuse are criminal acts irrespective of race. You don't need to suspend the racial discrimination act to do it. You don't punish an entire race because of the actions of a few, as was done in the NT with the quarantining of benefits etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Paint out the past? Why would you want to do that?

    There's a difference between understanding the past... with all its wrinkles, including the 2,500 white settler killings, the 20,000 indigenous killings during the same conflicts (slight difference in firepower having a bit of an impact there)... the cannibalism, the atrocious treatment of women and children by modern standards... and so on.... and inciting domestic terrorism.

    You blokes just seem to drag this crap up because you seem incapable of understanding the current issues and what can be done to resolve the problems. It will never aid reconciliation and improvement. But, you guys feel free to promote divisiveness - it seems to be your prime motive. It gives you something to do, eh? Keep at it... see if you can find something from 150 years ago to crow about.

    If you were fair dinkum, you'd realise that displaying images of deceased indigenous people isn't appropriate. You are fair dinkum, aren't you? You do understand the issues, don't you?
    That applies to white women and children at the time as well and given the rate of violence against women today you can't claim any moral high ground.
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    Are you suggesting there should be no regulation of any indigenous person by the non-indigenous, no intervention, and by inference, no benefits provision?
    Don't be an idiot
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    You just treat everyone the same. Domestic violence and child sexual abuse are criminal acts irrespective of race. You don't need to suspend the racial discrimination act to do it. You don't punish an entire race because of the actions of a few, as was done in the NT with the quarantining of benefits etc.
    Howard's intervention was a stunt.... just before an election but he was at heart an overwhelming racist. I submit his Ten Point plan to strip property rights from aborigines..... just after the High Court had finally granted them. The last time a government stripped property rights from people based on ethnicity was in Germany in the 30s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSibley View Post
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    Don't be an idiot
    I think you mean obtuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    You'd clearly benefit from doing some research into what was going on in those communities



    Well there's a great combo... a massive error and a total irrelevancy. Do tell us... what's the comparative statistics on violence against women? Then and now, indigenous and non-indigenous? Put your money where your mouth is... or shut up.... or take Peter's advice v



    Charming. Is that your standard answer when you've got nothing but failures in your resume?



    The intervention followed the release of the Board of Inquiry into the Protection of Aboriginal Children from Sexual Abuse commissioned by the government of the Northern Territory, which was publicly released on 15 June 2007. If the best you've got is that there was a three-yearly election due six months later, then take your own advice ^^

    Oh... as for native title... feel free to hand your land over - it is stolen property, isn't it? Are you going to put your money where your mouth is, or, accept the benefits, like you do the coal royalties?
    Strangely enough so would aborigine Australia but theft is theft , I guess you're happy with that, actually I know your happy with that .....you've been defending Howard's theft for years. But blacks can't be allowed property rights ( according to Hoard), no matter what the High Court says.
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    Okay this has become a waste of time.
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    Agreed. It always has been, discussing anything with Ian is like shoveling water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WX View Post
    Okay this has become a waste of time.
    I thought so yesterday.

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    I just find it a waste of time Ian. I liked your comment re 'playing for cattle stations' and I agree it would be rather unsettling for most of us, maybe literally for some. And the concept of 'theft of the land' is a very emotional one for many. But in spite of the apology if there's mining involved then money wins every time. And BTW I am aware that there are often conflicting opinions amongst traditional owners re access and royalties. It's hard sticking the egg back together.

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