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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    History, especially recent history (read anything after 1788) has been a political football forever. And for quite a while it was either not taught, or stopped sometime around federation. Due to the conscription issue and the Hughes/Mannix conflict WW1 was ignored during the Vietnam war.

    On another subject I note that some military personnel involved in a past' police action' are being denied veterans benifits. I wonder if the same rules apply to this 'police action" eh?
    Now there's a question for the PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    Yep, you keep telling yourself that.
    I don't have to tell myself anything...every reputable economist in the world agrees with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Knowledge matey, knowledge.... and experience in every aspect of policing.... right across the board. Drug squad, robbers, homicide, general duties, highway patrol, doggies, SOG, strategy (there's one I can guarantee you've not been involved with).... hell, I've even spent time with the PR lads and lasses. Right across the board.
    You don't have any experience at all because you have never been a police officer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevebaby View Post
    I don't have to tell myself anything...every reputable economist in the world agrees with me.
    I'd like to see you prove that
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    I've been listening to Tom Switzer on the Drum being pretty scathing about airstrikes against IS. He is of the opinion that airstrikes are just confirming the Sunni assumption that the US and it's allies are on the Shiite side in what is essentially a Sunni Shiite civil war and is merely consolidating Sunni groups under IS rule .

    Switzer is not quite a lefty or a Green, his opinions should be acceptable to the right here.


    Tuesday, 2 September 2014
    Hawks turn dovish on upcoming Iraq invasion

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    While Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Opposition Leader Bill Shorten are in lockstep regarding Australia’s need for a military role in Iraq, it is not just the Greens and the dovish Left who have come out against a new wave of Western military intervention.
    The Lowy Institute’s Sam Roggeveen, who initially supported the 2003 Iraq War, last week called for a statement of Australia’s intentions in Iraq and an honest assessment of the threat posed by the Islamic State:

    “Sometimes it feels as if the post 9/11 period has never happened, because we keep making the same mistakes: we hype the threat, terrorise ourselves, and over-react in ways that only strengthen those we are fighting. Let’s take a deep, deep breath before starting on the same road again.”
    Andrew Bacevich, a professor of international relations at Boston University, wrote in conservative magazine The Spectator that the best course of action for the West is “simply to butt out”:

    “The United States and its European allies do not possess the wit nor the will nor the might to fix whatever it is that ails much of the Islamic world. This is the principal lesson that the long Iraq war has to teach,” Bacevich wrote.
    Bacevich retired with the rank of colonel from the United States Army before gaining a PhD in American Diplomatic History from Princeton, and was a vocal critic of the Iraq War. His son, also an army officer, died fighting in Iraq in 2007.
    Allan Behm, former head of the International Policy and Strategy Divisions in the Department of Defence, suggests a more nuanced approach to foreign intervention:

    “The question that Australian governments must ask themselves is whether support for US-initiated and US-led military action serves either the interests of the states where force is to be used, or those of Australia,” Behm said.
    Behm had previously supported the decision to send Australian troops to Iraq to protect the Australian Embassy.
    Age columnist and professor of strategic studies at ANU Hugh White warns the West must be willing to use massive resources if it wants to change the region’s political order:

    “As we saw in Libya, campaigns of air strikes can affect what happens on the battlefield, but they confer no control over the political consequences of victory or defeat. Only troops on the ground can do that, and only in immense numbers. So only those willing to commit huge ground forces have any hope of being able to shape the outcome. Anyone else would be better staying away.”

    White was critical of John Howard’s decision to send troops to Iraq in 2003 but later supported the decision to send in extra troops in 2005, highlighting Australia’s “moral obligation” to ensure political stability.
    And former Liberal adviser, editor of the Spectator Australia and IPA regular Tom Switzer penned an op-ed for the Australian Financial Review quoting none other than Greens leader Christine Milne:

    ” … remember the adage ‘the road to hell is paved with good intentions’. We learnt that lesson at great cost during the last Iraq war. That is what, in essence, Greens leader Christine Milne means when she asks: ‘If we’re going to start, where is it going to end?’ She has been denounced as an appeaser and coward. But it is precisely the question our Parliament should be raising in coming weeks.”
    The government and opposition have shut down debate on the issue in Parliament, but outside Canberra’s halls of power plenty of people from the Left and Right are urging caution.
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    Yep. LJH pi$$ed it up the wall in bribes except for the 3% withheld for "nation building" despite Costello's warnings of future deficits . Currently despite the rhetoric of budget blowout the workers will be screwed over by bracket creep while FoFA senate committee findings are scrapped in favour of Kormann's shills, spivs, touts and urgers. The usual with the usual.

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    The Australian economy was one of the healthiest in the world when the liberal clowns came into government, with one of the lowest levels of debt. The so-called "budget crisis" is an outright lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    I'd like to see you prove that
    I already have. Go back to the start of this thread and work your way forward and you can find it for yourself.
    Evidence is irrelevant to the ideologically blind. No amount of evidence will convince the liars of the liberal party and the idiots who voted for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevebaby View Post
    i already have. Go back to the start of this thread and work your way forward and you can find it for yourself.
    Evidence is irrelevant to the ideologically blind. No amount of evidence will convince the liars of the liberal party and the idiots who voted for them.
    So your response when you can't actually prove your claims is to revert to insult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    So your response when you can't actually prove your claims is to revert to insult.

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    As I said, I have already provided ample evidence. If you're too lazy to look for it, that's your problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    The typical retreat of those who lack strategic insight. I guess there's no point having officers investigating rape... unless they've been raped, eh?
    Now you've descended to farce. As usual.
    I was a real police officer with 5 years experience in the job. You weren't.
    Joy rides in the back of a police car don't really count for anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevebaby View Post
    I already have. Go back to the start of this thread and work your way forward and you can find it for yourself.
    Evidence is irrelevant to the ideologically blind. No amount of evidence will convince the liars of the liberal party and the idiots who voted for them.
    Trouble is Steve Labor didn't give us anyone with any integrity to vote for as PM either. Rudd, Cabinet leaker, white anter, traitor to his party and a man of no principle. I couldn't vote for either man for much the same reasons, not trustworthy, no integrity, driven by personal ambition at the expense of any and everyone else.

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    So a complete cop out....( see what I did there) Buddy, you're going to run out of room on your tag line at this rate:

    Go back to the start of this thread and work your way forward and you can find it for yourself.
    As I said, I have already provided ample evidence. If you're too lazy to look for it, that's your problem.
    "I'm not gonna spend any time looking up stuff."
    "If you want specifics you'll have to look them up."
    "To answer your particular question would require much more time than I am willing to commit at the moment..."
    I refer you to the reply given in the matter of Arkell v. Pressdram.


    But you made a very good comment: "Evidence is irrelevant to the ideologically blind"
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    Trouble is Steve Labor didn't give us anyone with any integrity to vote for as PM either. Rudd, Cabinet leaker, white anter, traitor to his party and a man of no principle. I couldn't vote for either man for much the same reasons, not trustworthy, no integrity, driven by personal ambition at the expense of any and everyone else.
    Agreed, I didn't. The backstabber or the bully boy ? No thanks .

    I might have voted for Gillard.
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    I picked Rudd as a future PM the first time I heard him speak, 5 years before he got the job. I agree with the character assessment of Rudd, but I think he can take credit for the financial stimulus which saved us from the worst of the GFC. I still think that either Rudd or Gillard would have been a better PM than the incumbent, not necessarily for their personal qualities but because of their party, I preferred Gillard though.
    That leadership battle is what ruined Labor's chances in the last election. The economy was one of the best in the world but I think the voters were sick of the uncertainty. For the short time she had the job Gillard did very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larks View Post
    So a complete cop out....( see what I did there) Buddy, you're going to run out of room on your tag line at this rate:

    Go back to the start of this thread and work your way forward and you can find it for yourself.
    As I said, I have already provided ample evidence. If you're too lazy to look for it, that's your problem.
    "I'm not gonna spend any time looking up stuff."
    "If you want specifics you'll have to look them up."
    "To answer your particular question would require much more time than I am willing to commit at the moment..."
    I refer you to the reply given in the matter of Arkell v. Pressdram.


    But you made a very good comment: "Evidence is irrelevant to the ideologically blind"
    As I've said twice now, the evidence is right in this thread. You just refuse to look at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    The inveterate liar?
    The slushie organiser / and alleged beneficiary?
    Yep, her over your favorite lad, she wasn't a stooge for the IPA and actually had good policy, policy that would benefit the society, not just the corporations.
    I liked her and her ability to put forward good policy and negotiate it's passage. I wish there were more like her, Labor doesn't seem to have and neither do the Libs.
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    I agree Rudd looked OK and did a good job re the GFC, but he was a one man band and bound to crash. After he lost the job his tru character surfaced. I agree re Gillard, given a working majority she would have done well, as it is her reputation is jaundiced by Abbott's hatred and desire for revenge which was fuelled by his failure to gain the support of the independents. It's still there. He thought he had 'a right' to the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevebaby View Post
    As I've said twice now, the evidence is right in this thread. You just refuse to look at it.
    In fact, I simply won't waste my time looking for something that I know is not there. You just can't back up your foolish claim.

    much like:
    but I think he can take credit for the financial stimulus which saved us from the worst of the GFC
    I'd dearly love to see you prove that as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    I agree Rudd looked OK and did a good job re the GFC, but he was a one man band and bound to crash. After he lost the job his tru character surfaced. I agree re Gillard, given a working majority she would have done well, as it is her reputation is jaundiced by Abbott's hatred and desire for revenge which was fuelled by his failure to gain the support of the independents. It's still there. He thought he had 'a right' to the job.
    don't exclude Krudd's rabid desire revenge Jeff', that was her real undoing. I really don't think Abbott had much in the way of any negative impact on her, if anything.
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    Women, Chinky-Poos'
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    Meet the man who Education Minister Christopher Pyne appointed to review what our nation's kids will be taught in English classes. Chris Graham and Wendy Bacon report.

    A University of Sydney Professor – employed by the federal government as a specialist consultant to review the national English curriculum – has described the Prime Minister as an “Abo lover” while at the same time advising the government to focus less on teaching Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander literature in our nation’s schools, and place greater emphasis on western Judeo-Christian culture.

    In email correspondence that spans more than two years, Barry Spurr, the nation’s leading Professor of Poetry, describes Aboriginal people as ‘human rubbish tips’ and “Abos”, and rails against the prevalence of Aboriginal culture in school curriculums, and within politics. But the exchanges are not just limited to First Nations people.

    Professor Spurr also takes aim at “bogans” “fatsoes”, “Mussies” and “Chinky-Poos”, and laments the reality that Australia is less white than it was in the 1950s.

    He calls Nelson Mandela a “darkie” and Desmond Tutu a “witch doctor”; describes his University of Sydney chancellor Belinda Hutchinson as “an appalling minx”; likens Methodists to “serpents”; refers to women as “whores”; and in response to a comment about a female victim of a serious sexual assault being a “worthless slut”, he suggests that she needs more than just ‘penis’ put in her mouth, before it’s “stitched up”.

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    I wonder if Pine is OK with that. I can't stand the man personally but surely not? If so it says a great deal about him and the governments attitudes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    I agree Rudd looked OK and did a good job re the GFC, but he was a one man band and bound to crash. After he lost the job his tru character surfaced. I agree re Gillard, given a working majority she would have done well, as it is her reputation is jaundiced by Abbott's hatred and desire for revenge which was fuelled by his failure to gain the support of the independents. It's still there. He thought he had 'a right' to the job.
    Abbott overwhelming opposition to everything , the Mr No was highly effective but it has jaundiced our political system in a way that will take decades to recover from.

    Rudd. The less said the better. He was Prime Minister, not the President and was sacked by his peers, end of story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    I wonder if Pine is OK with that. I can't stand the man personally but surely not? If so it says a great deal about him and the governments attitudes.
    Well one of them did point out that it's okay to be a bigot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    I wonder if Pine is OK with that. I can't stand the man personally but surely not? If so it says a great deal about him and the governments attitudes.
    Good Grief !

    A source within the University of Sydney, connected to the School of Letters, Art and Media (SLAM) - which includes the English Department - has confirmed that the emails were sent from Professor Spurr’s official university email address.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skuthorp View Post
    I wonder if Pine is OK with that. I can't stand the man personally but surely not? If so it says a great deal about him and the governments attitudes.
    Well, Pyne appointed him so he must be ok with it.

    I guess this is what the right to be a bigot means.
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    There's that noise again…………………..

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Play the man, play the man.... non stop. This thread is proof that its apparently OK to be an idiot
    Are you serious Ian ?
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    Are you referring to the article Steve linked about Professor Spurr ? I can see why it would upset you if that is Pyne's appointee. He should be very worried if the article is accurate as should Pyne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Absolutely... non stop, "I don't like... grub (whatever)"... with never a focus on policies. Its just junk... a bunch of old wallies.
    Professor Spurr outlined his policies quite clearly. His policies are very nasty racism and misogyny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Knowledge matey, knowledge.... and experience in every aspect of policing.... right across the board. Drug squad, robbers, homicide, general duties, highway patrol, doggies, SOG, strategy (there's one I can guarantee you've not been involved with).... hell, I've even spent time with the PR lads and lasses. Right across the board.
    Hey, you should write a book!
    Here's a working title, just to help you along and get you started....."My ride in a police car."
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    Barry Spurr emails investigated by University of Sydney

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    Professor Barry Spurr says the emails were part of a 'linguistic game'. Photo: James Brickwood
    A University of Sydney academic involved in the national curriculum review, Barry Spurr, has reportedly described Prime Minister Tony Abbott an "abo-lover" in an exchange of emails.
    "Abo Lover Abbott and [Australian of the Year] Adam Goodes are Siamese Twins and will have to be surgically separated," Professor Spurr wrote in an email published on the New Matilda website.
    The university said an investigation into the report was under way.


    In a series of different email exchanges, he used the terms "Mussies, Chinky-Poos, bogans and fatsoes," labelled Archbishop Desmond Tutu a "witch doctor," and Nelson Mandela a "Darkie," according to the website.
    Professor Spurr was employed by the independent review into the national curriculum, commissioned by the federal government, as a specialist consultant to review the English curriculum.


    In correspondence seen by Fairfax Media, Professor Spurr said the emails were part of a longstanding joke with another person.
    "These statements are not reflections of my views or his," he said.
    "The comments that you refer to are largely to one recipient with whom I have had a whimsical linguistic game for many years of trying to outdo one another in extreme statements."
    They were part of a game "that mocked extreme language", he said.


    Professor Spurr said the emails did not reflect his personal views or his professional judgment of Aboriginal literature, which is part of his role as a consultant to the national curriculum review.
    "My lawyer informs me that accessing my email is 'a criminal offence' and the university's security service is currently looking into the matter," Professor Spurr told the website.


    During one conversation he called Tony Abbott "gutless and hypocritical", and condemned chief-of-staff Peta Credlin for arranging for an "Abo" singer to perform at a ceremony in Uluru for Prince William and the Duchess of Cambridge.
    Education Minister Christopher Pyne condemned the comments.


    "The minister utterly rejects and finds repugnant the denigration of any minority on the basis of their sex, race, sexual orientation or beliefs," a spokesman said.
    "The appointment was not made by the government. The minister and his office had no input into the selection of any subject expert. Professor Spurr's alleged private emails are a matter for him."


    In a statement, the University of Sydney said it was investigating the "offensive emails" to see if "any breaches of the code of conduct" had occurred.
    "The university takes the allegations very seriously ... Racist, sexist or offensive language is not tolerated at the University of Sydney."



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    You believe Spurr ? You win the true believer of the week award .
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    I'm sure his position is safe .


    During one conversation he called Tony Abbott "gutless and hypocritical", and condemned chief-of-staff Peta Credlin for arranging for an "Abo" singer to perform at a ceremony in Uluru for Prince William and the Duchess of Cambridge.
    Education Minister Christopher Pyne condemned the comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bigfella View Post
    Of course, our resident downer neglected to point out that the emails were shams... of a similar nature to the ones I get from some commie mates and some islamic friends.

    This from the source that the downer quoted:

    Professor Spurr has this morning defended his email exchanges, telling New Matilda they were clearly intended to mock the “very extreme language” used.
    “The comments that you refer to are largely to one recipient with whom I have had a whimsical linguistic game for many years of trying to outdo one another in extreme statements.
    “These statements are not reflections of my views or his.
    “What I say about the place of the study of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander language and literature in the curriculum is my considered professional view and not in any way influenced by these email exchanges which are linguistic play, and the numerous students of different races and of colour with whom I have worked for many years will testify that I have treated them with the same equity and dignity that I treat all my students.
    “I find it astonishing that you would think that I would seriously hold those views and not realise, as a journalist, that these are emails of mock-shockng (sic) repartee, mocking, in fact, that very kind of extreme language.”
    Actually, I didn't neglect to point out anything. I provided a link to the full article in which he admits sending the emails. Since he admitted publicly that he sent them, they are not a sham at all.
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    Ian, please stop making a fool of yourself. There's a time to admit Pyne was deceived by a very unpleasant person.
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